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Gingrich 'prepared to take the heat' with talk of amnesty ("Let's be humane in enforcing the law")
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 2011-11-22 | Kim Geiger

Posted on 11/22/2011 7:54:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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To: PAConservative1

Wasn’t Santorum good on this too? Not pro-amnesty? I didn’t actually pay attention to anything he was saying though.


101 posted on 11/22/2011 8:35:51 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: rabscuttle385

Newt is being a realist. He also said that there are millions in the US that would have to go.

Better realize that as a country the immigration and border enforcement crisis goes back many years and over numerous administrations of both parties. He is taking a rational approach of separating those who have been productive and set roots with lifestyles that are compatible with our values as Americans over years from those who come to abuse our system, or worse, commit crimes.

Gingrich is not taking the bait of those (including some on Free Republic) who are just dying to reinforce the false myth that Republicans are racists and separatists. He is creating opportunities for rational alliances with many Latins who want to and may vote Republican. We can win and make real progress, and not throw away our chances to win Florida, which for sure we will lose if he throws meaningless, unrealistic red meat for some to lose the support of many others.

Newt has more brains than most on practical approaches to solving very serious problems and I support him.

Anybody who believes that all we need is to elect a president who promises to come in and simply round up 10 - 15 million people, verify their status and ship them out and we go back to the good old days just like that, needs to think. It ain’t gonna happen like that. Now, if you recognize that the Spanish-speaking people have for the most part a great family culture, are excellent workers and are strong church-goers, you see that there are many points of commonality with maintstream conservatives. Guess what, they detest Obama, too. They detest the failure to defend the border, too. They hate crime, too. They hate the low-lifes, too. They know that when a person with a Spanish-sounding name is arrested for a crime, there are millions of Anglos ready to paint the entire community with the same, bigoted brush. Like it or not, some of the people on this forum do that, too. Think before you judge Newt on this. He is taking the smart path.


102 posted on 11/22/2011 8:35:51 PM PST by untwist
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To: magritte
That pretty well says it all.

But we want purity here at FR, which we never get anyway, and what we're going to end up with is Obama for 4 more years and COMPLETE amnesty. We're a clever sort, aren't we?

Newt's dead? No, the country is dead if we re-elect the Chicago disaster to another term.

103 posted on 11/22/2011 8:36:05 PM PST by jpf (phillies)
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To: PAConservative1

Will someone explain to me how Cain’s plan to deal with the illegals already here is different from Newt’s plan to deal with the illegals already here?

It seems EXACTLY the same to me.

“..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws” - Herman Cain


104 posted on 11/22/2011 8:36:54 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: TBBT

The “realistic” view is the Arizona example. Enforce the laws, require employers to check their citizenship, the illegals will deport themselves.


105 posted on 11/22/2011 8:37:00 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Apollo5600

My great-grand parents all came here legally as well. Believe me, I know what you’re saying. I have felt the same way.

I guess I’ve just had to step back and realize that yeah, what they did was probably stupid in trying to get here but their dignity as human beings trumps my feelings that they took a lot of our resources away. If they are criminals-deport them, if they have done nothing but work hard-make them go through all the immigration stuff and then accept them, while tightening up the border.


106 posted on 11/22/2011 8:37:00 PM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: Apollo5600

Oh yeah, he is. I forgot about him though, haha. I refuse to vote for any illegal lover, so that narrows it down to 3 for me. A sad state of affairs when a majority of the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES support a Democrat position.


107 posted on 11/22/2011 8:37:59 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: untwist

I’m Hispanic. My grandparents immigrated to the U.S., thus resulting in me. Not all Latinos are automaatically pro-illegal.


108 posted on 11/22/2011 8:38:05 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Let us all *not* forget that even Sarah said it’d not be humane to deport all the illegals. See below.....
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Univision: Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?

Sarah Palin: I don’t know, I don’t know. That’s a good question.

Univision: As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

Sarah Palin: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant — there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants — not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Univision: Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

Sarah Palin: No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They’ve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

http://mothersagainstillegalamnesty.com/?page_id=15


109 posted on 11/22/2011 8:38:19 PM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: rabscuttle385

Well FUNG. I live in the belly of the beast of this immigration crap in SW Texas and I am sick to death of what it is doing to our state and country. The money is incalculable into the billions a year just for Texas. I have probably 20-25 natural born hispanic Americans and they are all to the last one against path to citizenship, amnesty or what ever they want to call it.

I had hopes for you NG but I will not vote for you if you were the last person on the ballot.


110 posted on 11/22/2011 8:38:54 PM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: GeronL

Right. Gingrich is be especially inhumane to the American unemployed.


111 posted on 11/22/2011 8:39:21 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: TitansAFC

I asked you not too long ago to provide a link. Cain came out in favor of Arizona’s immigration law tonight. Probably was his best statement.


112 posted on 11/22/2011 8:39:57 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Mr. K
First and foremost- CUT OFF THE MIGRATION- lock down the border

I have an easier one, CUT OFF THE F'ING $$$$ these ILLEGALS are getting from us tax payers. Not a weening, cut it off country wide with an immediate effective date. The tide on the border will turn overnight. They are here because our Government has become entirely too generous with our treasury while they get dry and grow some roots.

113 posted on 11/22/2011 8:40:05 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: rabscuttle385

Let’s be realistic here on a few points:

1. Newt has essentially the same position as all but Bachmann. Even Palin, if she were running, has said the same things, more or less.

2. As much as some Freepers drool over the idea of busloads of guys in sambreros handcuffed in a flatbed truck driving south on I-35, it’s just not going to happen.

3. Selective deportation, employer enforcement, and cutting off the goodies will work better than any attempts at “round ‘em up and ship ‘em out” ever could.

4. Outside the conservative movement, ideas like #2 and #3 won’t sell with the public at large.

The bigger problem is nobody has kept their promise to seal the borders and enforce immigration law. Not Reagan, not Bush 41, not Clinton, not Bush 43, not Obama. Not Rick Perry. Arizona and Gov Brewer have come close, and I think more laws like that are needed. These and similar other state laws support deportation at large either, just the ability to ask the question if someone is “caught”.

Wanna get a feel for Newt’s position, or any of the others? Get specifics on how they feel about the AZ law.

In reality, this will hurt Newt just enough to help someone who is slicker, and prettier, but worse overall on the issues than he is. Mitt Romney. Unless Cain can hold on.


114 posted on 11/22/2011 8:40:22 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: magritte

If you think this is not a HUGE issue with the American people.....you’re huffing whippet canisters.

The majority of real AMERICANS, who don’t sit down to pee, want ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN BEANERS DEPORTED and the BORDER SEALED. PERIOD.


115 posted on 11/22/2011 8:40:35 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: rabscuttle385

The story of American jobs and labor is deeply intertwined with predatory Federal, state and local taxation and regulation....

South Koreans sleep soundly on their border with NORKS because of American Taxpayer dollars and the American GI.

Why can’t Texans, New Mexicans, Arizonans and Californians?....BECAUSE

Illegal immigration is THE KEY to the perpetuation of the status quo in DC......

Predatory tax and regulatory policies-actions that basically serve to perpetuate and grow governments-leave what business is left in the country seeking disposable labor.

Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation. Interestingly, that is WHY the Feds encourage in-state tuition etc for illegals under-the-table -their presence providing disposable labor allows Federal, State and local regulatory and tax excess in the status quo to continue

Immigration is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...

Real ”leadership” is that which will place Flyover Country’s interest ahead of the Feds....haven’t yet seen anything meaningful anywhere from anybody to indicate that might happen. We have just one more election cycle to make that happen via rule of law. Otherwise its the end of the run for America.


116 posted on 11/22/2011 8:40:37 PM PST by mo
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To: potlatch

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Newt is pulling a Slick Willie

Clinton ran down our Founding Fathers to get votes

Newt is being ‘sensitive’ to illegal aliens that lied and cheated 25 years ago - and still do

Newt would not lie or cheat would he?

Let’s ask his first 2 wives.....

I’ll bet Newt made sure that his books were also published in Spanish -

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117 posted on 11/22/2011 8:41:09 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - Nouveau Barack Pansies of Obamaville - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: Paperdoll
"A crime is a crime no matter how long ago someone committed it. Anyone who came here illegally for any reason whatsoever, the rule of law must prevail! Or we become a rule of men, which is the fast route to destruction."

Speaker Gingrich may be able to walk this back and minimize the damage by forcefully demanding a substantial fine be assessed against the illegal aliens that broke our laws long ago but have maintained decades-long family and community roots without a criminal record. There must be some tangible penalty for breaking the law and to avoid deportation, otherwise, how is this not amnesty?

The Gingrich campaign has stepped up to a cliff and may have gone over the edge in the eyes of a huge block of conservative base GOP voters with his position on illegal immigration revealed in tonight's debate.

Illegal immigration is such a hot button issue that directly bears on the survival of our nation's culture, prosperity, and security. I know it certainly caused me to switch the standing of Gingrich versus Cain in my preference.

118 posted on 11/22/2011 8:41:13 PM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: untwist
He also said that there are millions in the US that would have to go.

Yup. Nobody else (save for Bachmann) has said specifically that, yes, millions DO have to go.

119 posted on 11/22/2011 8:41:33 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: Apollo5600
The “realistic” view is the Arizona example. Enforce the laws, require employers to check their citizenship, the illegals will deport themselves.

That basically what I said...
120 posted on 11/22/2011 8:42:11 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Apollo5600

Sorry. Someone has posted the Cain’s article on several threads:

http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-061107.asp

Same as Newt and Perry (with the exception of Perry’s tuition breaks), pro-border control, pro-fines, pro enforcing the laws.

Still, even Cain wants a non-deportation way of dealing with the millions of illegals already here. He has said so several times.


121 posted on 11/22/2011 8:42:52 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: TBBT

It was worth repeating.


122 posted on 11/22/2011 8:43:00 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: magritte

You are right on some, but there can be a stronger hand. First of all, follow the Arizona law. Second, any illegals arrested for a crime has got to go. Third, focused infiltration of gangs especially MS-13. Fourth, federal prosecution of state officials who fail to enforce federal laws. This can be done and help bring order back to our society. Heat alone will help stem a lot of the problem. The problem is that the federal gov’t and presidents of both parties have ceded US sovereignty in California especially and have invited and encouraged the problem to grow.


123 posted on 11/22/2011 8:43:21 PM PST by untwist
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To: untwist

Illegal immigration is a problem, but the bigger immigration problem is one we’re afraid to talk about - the CULTURAL one. More specifically, do they live American lives? Or do they live as they do “back home” whilst taking advantage of the American economy, entitlements, and resources? Even if you’re legal, if you want to live here, you need to want to be an American.


124 posted on 11/22/2011 8:43:25 PM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Ain’t happening bucko. That’s debate society baloney. If it’s so popular, why aren’t all Republican candidates pushing for all the beaners to get kicked out?

Oh, that’s right. They would like to get elected.


125 posted on 11/22/2011 8:43:42 PM PST by magritte
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To: Unmarked Package

Cain has the same position - a non-deportation means of dealing with the millions of illegals already here:

http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-061107.asp

See my tagline.


126 posted on 11/22/2011 8:44:03 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: rabscuttle385

So Newt who makes a commercial supporting AGW now supports amnesty for illegals because it’s humane! Why am I not surprised? If nothing else I’m glad Numbster Gingrich isn’t pulling regular duty in a college classroom indoctrinating impressionable young adults.

I’ve seen the great graphic with Romney as used car salesman. Can we do one with the Numbster.


127 posted on 11/22/2011 8:44:40 PM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toss 'em out!)
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To: Paperdoll

I’m with ya on that, or at least the first half of that.


128 posted on 11/22/2011 8:44:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: untwist

RINO BE GONE!!!!!

/sarc


129 posted on 11/22/2011 8:45:29 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: tennmountainman

I’m a Cain supporter and looking at a realistic action in dealing with 11-20 million illegals. Shipping them all out aint gunna happen, anyone proposing to do so will lose.


130 posted on 11/22/2011 8:45:39 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: rabscuttle385

In the words of Lucy Van Pelt of “Peanuts” fame: “Boy are you Stupid, Newt Gingrich.”


131 posted on 11/22/2011 8:45:39 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: PAConservative1
Michele Bachmann is the anti-illegal candidate.
132 posted on 11/22/2011 8:45:53 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: meatloaf

133 posted on 11/22/2011 8:46:09 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; mkjessup; Gilbo_3; ...

Yep, climate control, amnesty, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and health insurance mandates. This is the Romney alternative??


134 posted on 11/22/2011 8:47:45 PM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: TitansAFC

the words missing from your quote are “not amnesty”. Not sure what that actually means, but that was back in 2007 before his Presidential run. From tonight, he came out in favor of the Arizona immigration enforcement law. That’s good stuff.


135 posted on 11/22/2011 8:47:55 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ouch!


136 posted on 11/22/2011 8:48:00 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: untwist

I agree you can fold these into my points and it would get much support. Securing the border, then deporting the “bad guys” will get the illegal immigration talk started. Deport them all is a non-starter.


137 posted on 11/22/2011 8:48:17 PM PST by magritte
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To: Electric Graffiti
Using terms like "beaner" and demanding that THIRD GENERATION AMERICAN CITIZENS of Hispanic descent be deported makes you sound like one of those stormfront.org nutcases.
138 posted on 11/22/2011 8:49:22 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: tennmountainman

We have “compassionate conservatism” to thank for the loss of California. Republicans will soon lose every other state if immigration trends are not reversed.


139 posted on 11/22/2011 8:49:28 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: TBBT

Do a little research on “Operation Wetback” during the 50’s and you will see the results that even a comparatively modest mass deportation drive can have. If we began seriously enforcing, millions would self-deport. It’s been done before. The only people I hear talking about sending them all home at once are amnesty supporters setting up a very weak straw man.


140 posted on 11/22/2011 8:49:39 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Apollo5600

Most of the candidates support the AZ law.

But you see what I am talking about. Cain has the same position as Newt on the issue of what to do with the millions already here - selective deportation, but not blanket deportation.

That’s all I’m pointing out. Both are to the left of Bachmann on the issue - who favors blanket deportation, and to the right of most of the others on stage who would not deport anyone or would give things like tuition breaks, etc.


141 posted on 11/22/2011 8:50:54 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: rabscuttle385

Go back to Reagan...Newt’s pretty much taking the same stand.


142 posted on 11/22/2011 8:51:32 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: rabscuttle385

Wow! That was fast! Thanks! Mind if I spread it around a bit?


143 posted on 11/22/2011 8:52:25 PM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toss 'em out!)
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To: RockinRight

You are absolutely right. My father came to the US in 1937 from Colombia, legally. He was very young, went to night school, became a citizen, and went right into the Army and fought in WWII for 3 years. He pledged himself to our country and raised his family as Americans. He fully assimilated and helped others coming here by telling them to be American and embrace this culture. I know many others of Latin descent like me with very similar backgrounds and we are conservatives! We are of the American culture. I observe that there needs to be a real bridge built between us and those of Anglo, European, and even Asian (many Indians, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc.) who are wanting to have real friendship and community alliance. This is possible and very crucial in advancing our culture. Look how effective the left is in pitting cultures and societies against one another, and conservatives do a poor job of uniting beyond their traditional base. There needs to be new alliances that will strengthen the American culture.


144 posted on 11/22/2011 8:52:50 PM PST by untwist
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To: rabscuttle385

We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin president in the most crushing tidal wave of enthusiastic good judgment ever seen in the history of this nation. With that one bold move we will accomplish the dual goals of seeing America led by the greatest natural born leader in our generation, even as we witness the final implosion and last agonized shrieks of our endlessly lying extreme left loonies. Their entire movement, from the fabricated attacks on Bush beginning with ‘Blood For Oil’ to the crammed-down-our-gullets lies of Obamacare and the Shovel Ready Stimulus, have been nothing but one vile deceit heaped upon another. Such an absolute inability to deal in the truth or to face the facts of our situation and its solutions only proves that there is simply no place at the grown-ups’ table for these diseased sputa. Good riddance to rubes and bad rubbish. Time to usher in the American Renaissance, carried in on the invigoratingly freshening breeze of President Sarah Palin.


145 posted on 11/22/2011 8:52:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: TitansAFC

>> At least he actually talked about who he’d deport. Bachmann, too. This has got to be the first campaign we’ve actually seen that.

That’s good. I’m watching the rebroadcast now.


146 posted on 11/22/2011 8:53:19 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Trod Upon

For the most part, all candidates except Bachmann have essentially the same position on illegal immigration, and Bachmann is walking dead.

1. No deportation of most illegals
2. Some legal documentation to get illegals on the record.
3. Border security.
4. Non-return paths to citizenship.

That’s as good as it going to get.

****

Well, the ONE tonight who went a bit further, however, was CAIN who said to return the power to the States to enforce the laws. So far . . . that is about the best policy we have seen that really works - and to enforce the laws we already have.

Self deportation would happen in a second if all we did was stop welfare handouts to them.

I STILL have no idea WHY or HOW they get welfare. WHO rationalizes this or started them on it in the first place in such large numbers?


147 posted on 11/22/2011 8:53:19 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: meatloaf

I found it elsewhere. So yeah, it’s yours...I guess.


148 posted on 11/22/2011 8:53:41 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: All

I think we should all be grateful to Newt. Judging from the polls, a good analogy would be the conservatives had stars in our eyes, thinking our “ex” Newt had finally “changed”. And like every other time, he screwed us over. Luckily, he did so before any vote was cast.

Thanks for the memories, Newt. Don’t hit your ass on the way out. And say hi to Ricardo for us, maybe you guys can get a job with La Raza together!


149 posted on 11/22/2011 8:53:44 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: simplesimon

Thanks for your post about Sarah’s position on illegals. I was discussing it with a friend earlier and now I have more to give to him. Seems people are upset over Newt’s comment, but it is the only realistc approach to a very big problem. I have no problem with it.


150 posted on 11/22/2011 8:54:24 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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