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Gingrich 'prepared to take the heat' with talk of amnesty ("Let's be humane in enforcing the law")
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 2011-11-22 | Kim Geiger

Posted on 11/22/2011 7:54:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Edited on 11/22/2011 8:03:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Java4Jay

...desperate, jobless Americans will do most of the jobs illegals do now.

If proof of that is needed look to the Alabama unemployment figures recently released:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/21/unemployment-drops-as-alabamas-immigration-reform-enacted/


201 posted on 11/22/2011 9:19:18 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Being humane is one thing. We don’t want to do unnecessary harm. But we must enforce our laws strictly.

Borders, language, culture.


202 posted on 11/22/2011 9:20:37 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: WVNan

Yes, you are right that there is no purity. There are things about Newt that I am not crazy about. But, if the conservatives hadn’t thrown him overboard when things got hot with Clinton in the 90’s, I think Newt would have held the conservative line and not gone soft. He is the reason we had balanced budgets and welfare reform and stood up in the face of constant press attacks.

He has learned a lot and in my view is the best person to be our next President.


203 posted on 11/22/2011 9:21:19 PM PST by untwist
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To: re_nortex

Excellent quote by an often-underrated conservative President.

I will say one thing. In the early part of the 20th century, many people thought that the Jews, Italians, and Irish who were coming over in droves were unable to assimilate, that they were dirty, criminal, and incapable of embracing American culture. That was, of course, proven untrue.

Will Hispanics follow the same route? I think this depends largely on what we do. For many Hispanics, yes, I think they do, and will, but others do not.


204 posted on 11/22/2011 9:21:36 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim Rob ? Herman Cain has 5 weeks to get back to the top spot and regain the lead and hold the lead into the Iowa Caucasus.


205 posted on 11/22/2011 9:23:21 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: BobL
includes laws to prevent SANCTUARY CITIES,

He wrote the bill against santuary cities, but couldn't get it through the House. If he really is against E-Verify, I don't take Freepers word on anything Perry, I will have to see it. If it is true, I don't get it.

206 posted on 11/22/2011 9:23:51 PM PST by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: Gene Eric

Newt’s being a dick by implying the Conservative goal involves inhumane treatment of illegal aliens.

No, he’s just being the lib that he always gets around to being.


207 posted on 11/22/2011 9:24:01 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Newt is sticking true to his Washington roots. Conservatives should expect to find more and more progressiveness as Newt is re-revealed. He isn’t going to offend his intellectual friends in DC and media.


208 posted on 11/22/2011 9:26:08 PM PST by pallis
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To: TBBT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2811258/posts


209 posted on 11/22/2011 9:28:03 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: rabscuttle385
just what we need , a candidate named Newt to take down Barak

all this candidate debate is just more marketing for the socialist-lite GOP shamwow sales pitch

Bush was just slightly less liberal than Obama and Newt is just slightly less liberal than Mitt

but they are all just a bunch of lilly livered liberal socialist LAW BREAKERS leading us around by the nose and robbing us blind

our political system is off the tracks and is so far from the constitution that it is not even legal

they are all criminals and liars

210 posted on 11/22/2011 9:30:31 PM PST by KTM rider ( with citizenship you get indentured servitude)
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To: Gene Eric

“Newt’s being a dick by implying the Conservative goal involves inhumane treatment of illegal aliens.”

He’s reviving Jack Kemp’s tired routine of being “the good conservative” versus all the rest of us racist xenophobes.

The press laps that swill up. But somehow I don’t think it raised Newt’s favorables one iota among average Americans.

I make a point of not voting for politicians who refuse to enforce immigration laws because it might hurt the feelings of some foreign nationals who chose to ignore those laws years ago. That went for Dubya, it went for McCain, and it will go for Newt.


211 posted on 11/22/2011 9:30:44 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: TitansAFC

“Cain has the same position as Newt on the issue of what to do with the millions already here - selective deportation, but not blanket deportation.”

The difference is, unlike Newt and Perry, Cain isn’t claiming that conservative resistance to “selective deportation” instead of “blanket deportation” is some deep moral character flaw.

Selective deportation might be a necessary construct, but the goal should be ever more pressure for that selection to be self-selection.

If millions stay here after the border is closed, it’s not because we are being humane, or because we have a heart. It’s because it’s simply impractical to deport 12 million people in one fell swoop. That doesn’t mean that shouldn’t be the eventual goal.

And I could care less if Perry thinks I’m heartless, or Newt thinks I’m inhumane. They, however, should care very much how their moral superiority on illegal occupation will affect their votes. Or rather, they should have cared before they pissed those votes away.


212 posted on 11/22/2011 9:31:20 PM PST by ziravan (You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be President. . . but it helps!)
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To: chesty_puller

“He wrote the bill against santuary cities, but couldn’t get it through the House. If he really is against E-Verify, I don’t take Freepers word on anything Perry, I will have to see it. If it is true, I don’t get it. “

The Texas House is 101-49 Republican. If Perry CANNOT get something through (like Sanctuary Cities) with that majority, then what the heck good would Perry be as President when his majority will be much less?

But the bottom line is that if Perry REALLY WANTED E-Verify and Sanctuary Cities, he would have called special sessions of the legislature to get them...just as he did 4 years ago when he really wanted a new business tax (he called them back 3 times in a row, and the Republicans finally got sick of fighting him and gave him his tax).


213 posted on 11/22/2011 9:31:41 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: jpf

That pretty well says it all.
But we want purity here at FR, which we never get anyway, and what we’re going to end up with is Obama for 4 more years and COMPLETE amnesty. We’re a clever sort, aren’t we?

Newt’s dead? No, the country is dead if we re-elect the Chicago disaster to another term.


I’m usually right with you on this kind of thing, to the point that JimRob and other “purists” attack me vehemently.

But in the case of Newt, this is not just about Amnesty — though on that topic he is tipping his hand on plans that are FAR from a “realistic” view and much more of a Progressive or Neocon view than most of us here would tolerate. But with Newt, the reality is, he would compromise on his principles — ALL of them — each and every Conservative principle, until there was NO PRINCIPLE left, only a pragmatic WASHINGTON (District of Corruption) POLICY that preserved the place of BIG [Central] Government but sold the principles, the Constituion, the States and We the People, down the river — but kept the Washington Elite in their place of Privilege.

This is what I feared from Newt. He’s sounded really good for 2-3 weeks, but I was WAITING for his condescending talk down to us, as though WE Conservatives are INHUMANE for wishing LAWS to be OBEYED. I’m not OPPOSED to realistic solutions — I’m opposed to politicians who portray ME as somehow morally deficient or “heartless” because I EXPECT OTHERS to actually MAKE THOSE LAWS a REALITY — which Newt would NOT do. He has demonstrated that, by his attitude.

I’m glad for his reminder of who he really is, and I’m glad I didn’t jump on his bandwagon. Now back to looking for the closest thing to a REAL Constitutional Conservative in the race (it would have been so much easier if THE Constitutional Conservative had just run... But I still love Sarah anyway)


214 posted on 11/22/2011 9:32:47 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: rabscuttle385

He shows no humane feelings for we,who are Americans in his statement.

He shows no consideration for any national security issues caused by unidentified people coming across the borders,which also relates to my first statment.

Children of illegal aliens should not automatically have citizenship. Those born here of people who disrepected our immigration laws,profited from our welfare,medical and education systems and their parents should have their citizenship stripped.

Why is he not standing up for us,the American people?


215 posted on 11/22/2011 9:33:54 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: Java4Jay

“I tend to agree with Newt, a realistic view.”

Minnesota. Figures. If you had watched SoCal change from American suburbia of the Beach Boys into a suburb of Tijuana then perhaps your opinion of Newt’s “realistic view” would be somewhat different.


216 posted on 11/22/2011 9:34:31 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Apollo5600

The “realistic” view is the Arizona example. Enforce the laws, require employers to check their citizenship, the illegals will deport themselves.


ABSOLUTELY correct. The few that stay behind for nefarious purposes (drugs, terrorism, etc) we can deal with by more forceful means.


217 posted on 11/22/2011 9:34:48 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: rabscuttle385

Newt’s version of the “heartl;ess” arguement.

Here’s the deal. Newt. You close the borders. You put a heavy civil and criminal penalty on companies that hiore illegals.

You get rid of the social give away’s for illegals.

Then you tell the ones who elect to try and stay after all of that...because doing those things will cause a majority of them to self deport...that they have 90 days to turn themselves in, to identify themselves. if they do so, we will deport them and allow them to apply for visas or citizenship through the normal channels (unless they are found to be criminals or enemies).

After the 90 days, they will be crinimally sought out, found, prosecuted and deported with a lifetime ban on any vissa or immigration to this country.

Then, we use our full law enforcement powers to go after the criminal drug dealers and other hardened criminals whom we show no mercy to.

Once we do all of that, then we can look at adding a potential workers program to our legal visa and immigration policy that allows them to come here for jobs that are offered to American citizens first, which if they get are limited to a maximum of 12 or 24 months withput bringing theior families and with no amnetsy or pathway to citizenship...though with the work visas we already have, their may not be a need fo it.

That’s not heartless, that’s just defending the soveriegnty of our Republic.


218 posted on 11/22/2011 9:35:25 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: BobL
He could have called a special session and didn't. He did show that he doesn't believe in Sanctuary Cities, but maybe won't spend the money for a special.
219 posted on 11/22/2011 9:36:27 PM PST by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: RockinRight
I will say one thing. In the early part of the 20th century, many people thought that the Jews, Italians, and Irish who were coming over in droves were unable to assimilate, that they were dirty, criminal, and incapable of embracing American culture. That was, of course, proven untrue.

Will Hispanics follow the same route? I think this depends largely on what we do. For many Hispanics, yes, I think they do, and will, but others do not.

"Silent" Cal was a man of few words but his words were fitly spoken, especially on this matter.

I have little hope that the tide of Mexicans that have flooded our country will embrace American values and culture. Yes, there were those in the late 1800's and early part of the last century who thought the southern and eastern Europeans would never assimilate.

I think the Hispanics (and I'll focus on the Mexicans) present a totally different situation. Here's why:

1). Proximity to their homeland. The Europeans immigrants that you mention had to "sink or swim" here and adapt to American ways.
2). The sheer numbers of Mexicans is unlike anything seen before for one group. Yes, immigrants came in waves some hundred years ago but they came from an assortment of countries. The rallying cry is no longer "We shall overcome" but "We shall overwhelm".
3). The rise of political correctness and the diversity agenda have made it nearly impossible to articulate a "Shape up or ship out" policy. The culture of tolerance has not worked in America's best interest in this regard.
4). The mass media (Univison, Telemundo, Azteca, Estrella) allow Mexicans (and other Hispanics) to continue to have the language of their homeland delivered to them 24 hours a day. It's a disincentive to speak English, which I consider an important component of assimilation.

Maybe I present a too-bleak picture and I welcome fellow FReepers to give me some reason for optimism on this matter.

220 posted on 11/22/2011 9:36:49 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: rabscuttle385

1- serious punitive action against employers. End the carrot once and for all.
2- sufficient security on the border
3- end all federal and state assistance programs for those here illegally.
4- end anchor babies
5- provide very limited special programs to speed up legalization to certain illegals such as military service and language proficiency
6- proactively target street gangs and criminals for enforcement and kick them out immediately.
7- others will leave and go home on their own as a family.
8- Newt’s crazy idea of checking 10 or 20 million illegals to see how long they’ve been here, and their work record and if they go to church is absurd. It can’t and won’t be done. It is impossible to do such a costly security check. End benefits and jobs and they will leave.


221 posted on 11/22/2011 9:37:18 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: ziravan
unlike Newt and Perry, Cain isn’t claiming that conservative resistance to “selective deportation” instead of “blanket deportation” is some deep moral character flaw.

Bingo.

The "heartless" crack was the same as his "right wing social engineering" remark. Every know and then the "genius" let's the genie (truth) out of the bottle and we see his true disdain for conservatives.

Also, the Newt shills/hypocrites here who spent weeks trying to take down Cain with vicious hate now want to use Cain as an equal to Newt on immigration. Be laughable if it weren't so dishonest and pathetic.

Cain backed Arizona law, Newt killed it.
222 posted on 11/22/2011 9:38:32 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: BobL
You are wrong about bashing Rick Perry on border security. Everyone on here needs to view the following link. You will understand he is not lying in these debates. He's got the experience, the vision, the ideas, to secure the border.

Rick Perry Deploys DPS Recon to Mexican Border

223 posted on 11/22/2011 9:40:12 PM PST by mikhailovich
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To: patriot preacher
your post 214 - right on. Tonight was a needed reminder to conservatives that this was another glimpse into real Newt, disdainer of right wing social engineering.

Was inevitable this puffed up phony would once again show himself
224 posted on 11/22/2011 9:40:50 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: achilles2000
Where are all the people who were criticizing Perry for having a more conservative immigration stance than Newt?

Adding Newt's name, right under Perry's, to the list of people we won't vote for.

225 posted on 11/22/2011 9:41:12 PM PST by giotto
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To: icwhatudo; rabscuttle385; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; Liz; South40; calcowgirl
Love the bumper sticker in post #58. Apparently “the smartest man in the room” wants to follow Perry's example on how to go from 1st place to 5th place. I have a new tagline!
226 posted on 11/22/2011 9:41:27 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: over3Owithabrain

I’m voting for Michelle........enough is enough. Ya’ll argue and fuss but I’m done.


227 posted on 11/22/2011 9:42:25 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: BillyBoy

lol! Love that bumper sticker!


228 posted on 11/22/2011 9:44:30 PM PST by South40
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To: BobL
“Speaker Gingrich may be able to walk this back and minimize the damage "

Isn't that what the anti-Cain forces claim that Herman Cain is doing when they claim he has to clarify something he misspoke on ?

229 posted on 11/22/2011 9:44:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: RockinRight

Yes. As evidenced by statements made during their demonstrations that they are “here to work”,”clean our toilets”,”harvest our crops”( and that those crops and land blong to those who work them) and “care for our children”,the illegals show they have accepted the huge lie that America is only about working and making money. The lie that we have no distinct culture,no respectable traditions or history and that even our language should not be accepted.


230 posted on 11/22/2011 9:45:08 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: Jeff Head
That’s not heartless, that’s just defending the soveriegnty of our Republic.

I agree totally, but the issue of defending the sovereignty of our Republic is no longer front and center priority either by the multi-national corporations or by the US Congressmen they rent. When corporations went global so did their opinions on sovereignty. Their loyalty is now global and sovereignty gets in their way. Globalization has made a huge difference in how our country is managed by the political elite.

231 posted on 11/22/2011 9:46:16 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: tennmountainman
" And I am not just talking about illegals. I’m talking about our massive debt. "

The illegal problem is one part of the problem of why we have massive debt, crime, and Democrats holding onto power.
232 posted on 11/22/2011 9:47:42 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: untwist

You are right on some, but there can be a stronger hand. First of all, follow the Arizona law. Second, any illegals arrested for a crime has got to go. Third, focused infiltration of gangs especially MS-13. Fourth, federal prosecution of state officials who fail to enforce federal laws. This can be done and help bring order back to our society. Heat alone will help stem a lot of the problem. The problem is that the federal gov’t and presidents of both parties have ceded US sovereignty in California especially and have invited and encouraged the problem to grow.


Wait!! “FEDERAL prosecution of STATE officials that fail to enforce Federal Laws...”

Are you freaking JOKING?! Right now we’ve got STATES trying to ENFORCE the Federal Laws and the stinking FEDS are SUING the STATES!!!

How about let the STATES that ARE enforcing the Federal Laws PROSECUTE the Federal OFFICIALS for BREAKING both the State AND Federal Laws!?

How about a new policy where the States that refuse to strictly enforce federal immigration laws receive ZERO Federal dollars UNTIL such time as they COMPLY? (I confess, I have a dual purpose in this one — I WANT to dump welfare States like CA, IL, NY and others OFF the Federal Dole)

Don’t punish the States — or ALL the States — for the screw-ups of some. And don’t blame them for what the FEDS have caused.


233 posted on 11/22/2011 9:48:10 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: rabscuttle385

It is impossible to deport 12 mil. Some are going to stay and pretending otherwise is just naive.


234 posted on 11/22/2011 9:49:22 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: rabscuttle385

What I heard from Newt was a reasonable approach to the illegal immigration problem.

Look, if I leave the front door open through the winter how can I complain about the cold and my skyrocketing heating bills?

Newt’s talking about a 3 part plan. First, control the border- shut the door. Second, Guest Worker program. Third, a Review Board to review the illegals that are here.

The question is what’s the criteria for deportation and how do you handle those that can stay? Newt said those allowed to stay would NOT be US citizens. Forcefully sending all 20 million men, women, and children back over the border won’t happen. If you think that, then tell me who is going to do it and exactly how.....really....


235 posted on 11/22/2011 9:50:14 PM PST by topfile
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To: untwist
>> if the conservatives hadn’t thrown him overboard when things got hot with Clinton in the 90’s <<

Conservatives didn't throw him overboard. An attempted coup within the GOP caucus to remove Gingrich as speaker was thrawted pretty easily in 1997 and the dissenters were taken to the woodshed. Newt had just been re-elected in 1998 would have continued to have firm control over the Republican majority had he stayed on in 1999. He threw himself overboard and quit when the going got tough and Clinton kicked his butt:

Gingrich stuns Washington by stepping aside

236 posted on 11/22/2011 9:50:35 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Paperdoll

Cain/Santorum or Cain/Bachman 2012 ...


237 posted on 11/22/2011 9:51:44 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Pelham

Minneapolis / St. Paul has the largest concentration of Somalians in the U.S.


238 posted on 11/22/2011 9:52:37 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: re_nortex

I intimately knew a family of illegals that lived here in Georgia.

They had zero desire to assimilate.

The parents didn’t bother to learn English because they moved and lived within a community of other illegals from Mexico. They had ways and means to work the system, without ever having to learn a word of English.

They marveled that the Americans even provided “Dora the Explorer” on television. They thought it was cute that the Americans would encourage their American children to watch the program that used cartoons and Spanish for entertainment. It helped their daughter learn more words, so that she could help them at the grocery store or when they went to the doctor.

They saw their four year old daughter as a soon-to-be English dictionary. They would enroll her in school, she’d become bilingual, and help them to communicate with the gringos. They never tried to read American publications and only watched Spanish-based programming on cable television. They had no desire to become Americanized in any way.

They spent a lot of time “hiding” in plain sight. They knew the rules about how to behave and how not to draw attention to themselves. They knew that doctors would see them, and that they could get food and clothing from within their network, or a private charity, if necessary. They never contacted the police if they knew of a crime, because they were fearful of being watched. They contributed to the decline of their neighborhood.

They never showed an interest in becoming like Americans. All they did was earn their low-paying checks and send half of the money home to Mexico. They even went home to Mexico to visit family, and then came back to their American rental home without ever drawing any suspicious attention.

Why worry, when you can make money, send it home, and go home to visit for a family vacation?

They thought Americans were stupid. And they’re right. We’re so tolerant and forgiving that we never say a word about the illegals living among us. We roll out the welcome mat for them.


239 posted on 11/22/2011 9:56:07 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: TBBT

Keep in mind the magnitude of the Gingrich trashing on this thread does not indicate a true test of opinion, just that of those the most PO’d. I heard the whole exchange, with Bachmann repeatedly saying Gingrich said something he didn’t (since he doesn’t, in fact, want the entire 11M granted a reprieve).

I don’t like Mitt, was a Cain supporter until he began coming apart at the seams on foreign security issues and the “I’ll defer to Newt” behavior at the Woodlands debate, know what kind of paid-off sell-out Perry is by being a native Texan, and can’t stand the rest of the pack.

That brought me around to Gingrich, and this answer has the benefit of being pretty reasonable in that it starts with border and employment enforcement, then turns to long-standing residents with a NON-CITIZEN permit (note the caps). It could also pass Congress, which, despite the thread’s teeth gnashers’ thoughts to contrary, is pretty bloody important when it comes to actually governing.

Think about what the middle-of-the-road voter looks like: mushy-minded on statist issues in many cases, fundamentally good-hearted but worried about bread-and-butter issues, and swayed by emotional appeals, especially to the “underdog.” I seriously doubt this hurts Gingrich with them, but if folks on FR turn on him, enjoy Mitt as the nominee who’ll be looking for their vote.


240 posted on 11/22/2011 10:00:26 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: BobL
Rick Perry Chasing Illegals Out of Texas

The man says what he means.

241 posted on 11/22/2011 10:03:24 PM PST by mikhailovich
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To: BillyBoy

I don’t want to relive that meltdown. Maybe I should not have used the term “conservative” to describe those who challenged him. The worst of the turmoil was happening during the Clinton impeachment time, and Newt took a lot of heat for allowing the House managers to proceed. It was a rough time as I recall the 2-day Speakership of Bob Livingston.


242 posted on 11/22/2011 10:04:39 PM PST by untwist
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To: topfile; rabscuttle385; All
>> What I heard from Newt was a reasonable approach to the illegal immigration problem. Newt’s talking about a 3 part plan. First, control the border- shut the door. Second, Guest Worker program. Third, a Review Board to review the illegals that are here. <<

This reminds me of the "reasonable" plan to achieve "peace" in the middle east. If I remember, the "road map to peace" plan that the Bush adminstration endorsed and continually touted had three steps:

1) End to Palestinian violence. Palestinians recongize Israel's right to exist and undergo political reform.
2) Establishment of an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders. Withdrawl of Israel from Palestinian "territories"
3) Permanent status agreement and end of conflict; agreement on final borders, clarification of the highly controversial question of the fate of Jerusalem, refugees and settlements

The "roadmap" never went anywhere because they've never accomplished step #1 over the last 60 years. But after failing to get past step #1, U.S. politicians say that's OK, let's start working on step #2 and #3 now.

Ditto with the "reasonable" plan to "reform" immigration. The three steps:

1) Control the border - shut the door.
2) Guest Worker program.
3) Review Board to review the illegals that are here and provide a "path to citizenship" for the "law abiding" ones. (whatever that means)

Once elected, step #1 is never implimented and hasn't been since the last immigration "reform" in 1965. So the polticians decide to move on to step #2 and #3 when illegal aliens are still flooding into our nation.

243 posted on 11/22/2011 10:06:24 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Jeff Head

Here’s the deal. Newt. You close the borders. You put a heavy civil and criminal penalty on companies that hiore illegals.

You get rid of the social give away’s for illegals.

Then you tell the ones who elect to try and stay after all of that...because doing those things will cause a majority of them to self deport...that they have 90 days to turn themselves in, to identify themselves. if they do so, we will deport them and allow them to apply for visas or citizenship through the normal channels (unless they are found to be criminals or enemies).

After the 90 days, they will be crinimally sought out, found, prosecuted and deported with a lifetime ban on any vissa or immigration to this country.

Then, we use our full law enforcement powers to go after the criminal drug dealers and other hardened criminals whom we show no mercy to.

Once we do all of that, then we can look at adding a potential workers program to our legal visa and immigration policy that allows them to come here for jobs that are offered to American citizens first, which if they get are limited to a maximum of 12 or 24 months withput bringing theior families and with no amnetsy or pathway to citizenship...though with the work visas we already have, their may not be a need fo it.

That’s not heartless, that’s just defending the soveriegnty of our Republic.


That is straightforward, commonsense wisdom! Wish we had a candidate with that policy.


244 posted on 11/22/2011 10:06:24 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: over3Owithabrain
" your post 214 - right on. Tonight was a needed reminder to conservatives that this was another glimpse into real Newt, disdain of right wing social engineering. "

The Haman the Agagite of the book of Esther.
245 posted on 11/22/2011 10:06:51 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: rabscuttle385
And here I was beginning to like Newt a bit.......

Does anyone in DC know or care that America is a sovereign nation? Life is too good in DC for these degenerates. Newt has become very rich as a lobbyist so he is deep in the game

246 posted on 11/22/2011 10:07:19 PM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
We’re so tolerant and forgiving that we never say a word about the illegals living among us. We roll out the welcome mat for them.

Thank you so much for posting this from first-hand experience. Unfortunately, it parallels what I've seen as well. Due to proximity to the homeland, many Mexicans treat America as nothing more than an ATM machine. We're the suckers that provide a steady flow of quick cash that goes back to the country they truly love.

I have to add that I am still angry about what I saw last September 11 for the Tenth Anniversary of the Muslim attack on America. Throughout my neighborhood, American flags were flown in tribute to honor the victims and to show pride in our great country. In the Mexican neighborhoods, I saw not one evidence of Old Glory. Yet the Mexican-owned car lots and grocery stores had the flag of Mexico flying. And these are the legal citizens!

247 posted on 11/22/2011 10:07:27 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lou Budvis

You implement a prgram designed from the outset to get the vast majoprity of them to self deport...then you concentrate on the ones who remain.

My guess is we could have a program where upwards of 80% go home.

Of the remaining 2.4 million, some percentage will be people who have been here a long time or with other, non-criminal ties whom we can locate and deport.

The hardened criminals we are going to have to seriously go after in any case...and they should be made abject examples of when located.


248 posted on 11/22/2011 10:10:29 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JouleZ

“I’m voting for Michelle........enough is enough. Ya’ll argue and fuss but I’m done.”

I feel exactly the same way. As far as I’m concerned, she is the ONLY real conservative in the race, yet everyone seems to just skim right over her. If people want a TRUE conservative, it’s quite obvious who walks the walk.


249 posted on 11/22/2011 10:12:08 PM PST by battletank
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To: rabscuttle385

“I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who’ve been here for a quarter of a century … [and] separate them from their families and expel them,” Gingrich said during a discussion about illegal immigration and border security. “I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties.”

It’s why they call us, “The Stupid Party”.

Newt, it’s 2011. There are no more investment banks, the Euro’s going to fail soon, Iran has the bomb, and gay is the new Black. Yes, yes we would now at this late date be so ‘heartless’ as to tell people here illegally that it is time to go back home.

Can you not see that we’ve had enough.

He’s an IDIOT. Back to Nan to update his advertisement with the rest of the ‘Global Warming Warriors’.


250 posted on 11/22/2011 10:16:06 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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