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Newt had his chance, but he blew it: Why Gingrich won’t earn the 2012 GOP presidential nomination
NY Daily News ^ | 11-23-11 | SE Cupp

Posted on 11/23/2011 5:22:45 AM PST by MNJohnnie

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To: ngat
No, I think you missed what Newt said about deportation.

Tell the truth--you didn't hear the debate, did you.

151 posted on 11/23/2011 3:32:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: normy

LOL! You’re right. They keep adding to their demands. They sound like kidnappers holding others hostage.


152 posted on 11/23/2011 3:34:20 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: ckilmer
I'm glad you pointed that out, but the anti-Newt slugs will have none of it. They don't care about no steenkin' laws.
153 posted on 11/23/2011 3:39:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: normy

I am a Newt supporter..but u r quite right

I was never a good enuff for them Sarah supportet

Now I will be called amnestybot which is hilarious if anyone here knows my 11 year history


154 posted on 11/23/2011 3:44:44 PM PST by wardaddy (Ethnonationalist...I'll cop to that....Suicide of a Superpower...I've decided for Newt)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Newt described how, once the border is secure, he would go about finding and deporting those who were not embedded longterm in their communities. The Newt-haters here conveniently overlook the fact that, as with other things, Newt is the only candidate with a fully thought-out plan, and which decidedly does not include citizenship. Those are the facts as of last night's debate, but many here prefer lying to telling the truth.

Here is the problem with what Newt said last night. He is supposed to be the smartest guy in the room,but there is a really good reason why others have not said what they would with those already here, we don't have a secure border. Specifying a plan Like Newt did last night with an open border could cause a disaster for those of us living in border states.

Newt was leading in some polls going into that debate and what he said could signal to people in Mexico to get here now because 'Newt is going to let us stay!' Was Newt's plan right? maybe, I don't believe the American people have the will to throw people out of this country. But it was irresponsible for him to say that in the position he is in now and on the stage that he said it. That leads me to question his judgement and knowledge of what is actually happening on the border.

There was no reason for him to say it last night, his answer should have been, "Secure the Border, then we'll talk". By doing so it leaves me to believe he was pandering to moderates to take votes from Mittens, and being disrespectful, once again, to the base (TEA Party).

155 posted on 11/23/2011 3:46:13 PM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“What is Bachmann’s plan? Quickly now. How will she solve the problem?”

I can answer that. First, she will go in to the elementary schools and take every child K-5 of an illegal immigrant out of the classroom, send them to Mexico, if their parents want to see them again, they will have to move back to Mexico. Secondly, she will show up at every Cathlic mass and voila, instant deportation. Mexican food stores, huge grab there!


156 posted on 11/23/2011 3:47:03 PM PST by Toespi
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To: hinckley buzzard

Oh, I think he’ll need my vote. But I don’t think he wants it. Not sure the guy even wants to be president at this point.

Sorry, but I did NOT hear the details of what he’d do. He was far too focused on the endearing long-term illegals we have in this country. Like we should all just push aside the rule of law so they can all feel more comfortable —

Talk about spew.


157 posted on 11/23/2011 3:47:44 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: presently no screen name

Google Palin on BOR and read for yourself.


158 posted on 11/23/2011 3:49:56 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Exactly. He did his homework. The others just say ‘what we need’ and everyone gets excited hearing what we already know. That seems enough for them with like you said - no plan attached to their rhetoric.

Yes, they sure appear to not prefer the truth as we can see here.

Did you see this thread -

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2811564/posts


159 posted on 11/23/2011 3:50:17 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: rintense

Not good enough - you said it - you back it up!


160 posted on 11/23/2011 3:51:47 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: moose-matson
Yep, when someone ducks for cover and overturns their baby carriage it's hard not to notice..

Of course that is the underlying message here--no one, not one candidate, not one poster here-- has a plan that will succeed in the real world better than what Newt proposed. If anybody has one I'd be all for hearing about it, but I'm not holding my breath given the local talent around here tonight.

161 posted on 11/23/2011 3:56:20 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pollster1

bump(s)


162 posted on 11/23/2011 4:01:51 PM PST by moehoward
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To: ken5050

And what about benefits, entitlements... especially medical costs as they age. It adds trillons..

No, I think they have to go back..

****

You are right. I wish every American could come with me for one day to tour the large urban hospital I work in.

If ANY illegal is here, there are 10 more family members here “visiting.” Believe me, they come here and instantly get sick on their visits. Same for the ancient village dwelling elders of the H1B visa holders. Grandma and Grandma always get brought in for SOMETHING or other. Then the case managers scramble to figure out what to do because they NEVER, EVER have insurance. And you think they’re just coming from El Salvador? Try China, India, Africa, Ethiopia . . . and any muslim country you can think of.

And believe me, these people want it all ...grandfather needs a new HEART, a new LIVER, a lung transplant ..or is all of a sudden now on long-term dialysis, is in need of long-term rehab, long-term hospitalization in the ICU.

Many of them manage to make it onto the Medicaid roles and just stay there — while on disability or welfare as well.

We are being taken for a RIDE in this country by non-taxpaying parasites from multiple countries. What’s to stop the “red card” crowd from demanding the same?

And we haven’t even gotten to the education issues yet.

OUT, OUT, OUT, all of them! Stick to the rule of law. So far Cain is the ONLY one, perhaps along with Bachman, Paul, Santorum who would say the same.

Americans just need to buckle down, turn off the TV, and vote for the MOST CONSERVATIVE candidate — or we are TOAST.


163 posted on 11/23/2011 4:02:30 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks; hinckley buzzard
One last thought, before I head over to the parish hall.. cooking for 100 tomorrow..

What I think I would like to hear the candidates say..NOW..is that this issue, complex as it is, shouldn't be rushed in the heat of a presidential campaign. It deserves serious thought and consideration. However, ALL the candidates commit to Perry's pledge that within 12 months of taking office, the bordewr will be SECURE..Washington is broken...so before we, the peopel, start to trust you again on something as willing to consider how to deal with the problem of long term illegals, you, government, show us that you can do one simple thing....PROTECT OUR BORDERS....after you do that, then we can look at other matters.

BTW..To both of you, a happy and joyous Thanksgiving..

164 posted on 11/23/2011 4:08:25 PM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: ken5050
What you missed about Newt's plan was the part where, after securing the border, he would set up boards to assess individual cases as to whether they fit the 1986 amnesty class, or came later. That board, which he likened to the Selective Service Boards, would implement deportation of recent arrivals who have no stake here, or have criminal records. It would be a long task but would address all the different classes of people involved.

None would be offered citizenship except those who volunteered and served in the military, which is the case now for foreign enlistees. The only "permanent" residents would be those here under the 1986 amnesty umbrella, permanent already, but who never became citizens, and who would get the "red card" for employment purposes.

By becoming serious about it, and taking action, he would also no doubt stimulate an increase in "self-deportation" as individuals realized the game was about up, and went home.

Nothing there to get hysterical about that I can see.

165 posted on 11/23/2011 4:14:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: txroadkill
Fine, but Newt did specify that the first order of business is securing the border. He is not for open borders, that's a fallacy. Could he have answered better or more clearly? yeah, probably. But clearly, he starts with border security.
166 posted on 11/23/2011 4:21:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Toespi
LOL! Yeah, That'll win a lot of the independent vote!
167 posted on 11/23/2011 4:23:31 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: LibsRJerks
Nope, you are right at last-- you didn't hear a thing.
168 posted on 11/23/2011 4:24:43 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: rintense
These are your ideas and you actually put thought into them?

"1. Put a time limit on welfare for American citizens. 3 months and you're done. When that time is up and you don't have a job, you go to work in the fields and every other job that 'Americans won't do' that illegals have taken. You will EARN your keep. Eliminate those jobs and illegals have no working incentive to be here." --------- Let me get this straight, you want to take the ailing mother with four kids off welfare and force her to pluck chickens in a Tyson's slaughter house. And you actually think this might ever happen.

2. "Give all illegals 30 days to get out. During that time, all States are given the power to protect their sovereignty and empower all law enforcement to do ID checks when someone is pulled over." -------- Ok. What about those states and cities and counties and towns who don't have the money, manpower or even the desire to do so? Where will these municipalities house them? Who will feed them? (Hey, we can use those FEMA/DHS camps.) Do you keep the parents together with the kids or are they split up? Please answer all.

"At the end of 30 days, all illegals who are captured are sent packing on the next available way out... --------- Cool we can "capture" them, just like in Planet of the Apes. Where are you going to send them? What if Mexico doesn't accept theirs? Do you build detention camps at the borders or drive across real fast and kick them out while nobody's looking? What about those who are from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Russia, Israel, Korea, China, India, Pakistan, Viet Nam, Ireland, Spain, Greece, Nigeria, Sweden, Morocco, Australia, Finland, Brazil.....

Sorry, but I asked for a detailed plan not a jingo-istic wet dream.

169 posted on 11/23/2011 4:47:13 PM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: hinckley buzzard

But Buzzard, the independent and moderate votes are overrated, who needs them? Truth is, Gingrich is no idiot and his well-stated opinion on illegal immigration, will help him more than hurt him or he wouldn’t have said it.


170 posted on 11/23/2011 5:07:46 PM PST by Toespi
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To: moose-matson

And you clearly have comprehension problems since I said details later. But I’m not surprised. You’re amnesty lover and have put forth no ideas of your own and rely on liberal platitudes for your escape. IOW, pissant off lower.


171 posted on 11/23/2011 5:28:23 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: presently no screen name; onyx

Do your own damned search, fool. And I don’t believe you ever liked Palin either because you would know all about his interview as it has been quoted over and over again.

Onyx, would you please post to this moron the exact words of Palin on BOR when she said ‘deport illegals ‘ as well as saying Reagan was wrong on amnesty? Seems someone doesn’t believe Palin said it.


172 posted on 11/23/2011 5:33:04 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: presently no screen name; onyx

Do your own damned search, fool. And I don’t believe you ever liked Palin either because you would know all about his interview as it has been quoted over and over again.

Onyx, would you please post to this moron the exact words of Palin on BOR when she said ‘deport illegals ‘ as well as saying Reagan was wrong on amnesty? Seems someone doesn’t believe Palin said it.


173 posted on 11/23/2011 5:33:38 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: rintense
I'm an amnesty lover? Where did you get that from? Certainly not anything I ever posted since I never supported amnesty.

Nope, you painted yourself into a corner with those truly silly and utterly un-doable "ideas" about rounding up all the illegals and dropping them off at Mexico's doorstep so now, in the manner to which so many freepers devolve, you try to turn it around by lying.

Nice talking to you.

174 posted on 11/23/2011 5:34:55 PM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: rintense; presently no screen name
Be careful what you ask for rinny....here's the palin BOR interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dlZwM-eZkA&feature=player_embedded

She does everything she can to squirm out of answering the question of what to do with the millions already here then says...yes, have them register with the federal government so that they can contribute and work.

She also told Telemundo the same thing in a 2008 interview.

Have a blessed evening.

175 posted on 11/23/2011 5:49:50 PM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: moose-matson

Uh huh


176 posted on 11/23/2011 6:00:34 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: moose-matson

Sorry, honey, but all those ideas ARE doable. You are a perfect example why illegal immigration will never be solved because you dismiss any ideas that touch taboo subjects.

Everything should be on the table when it comes to protecting our country from an even bigger illegal invasion. EVERYTHING.


177 posted on 11/23/2011 6:03:19 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: rintense; moose-matson

Here rinny - You called me a moron, you stupid big mouth ***hole - spreading lies you can’t back up and asking everyone else to run and fetch. Here chump - eat your words.

http://archivo.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=1716304&pagenum=2


178 posted on 11/23/2011 6:17:24 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: rintense; onyx
I don’t believe you ever liked Palin either because you would know all about his interview as it has been quoted over and over again.

Well then, how come YOU can't find it to back up your own words? So much for your rant!

You know what - there are some people - in this case YOU, who should button the lip. You are acting like a raving lunatic and don't know what you are talking about. Go check out the links that were hand delivered to you since you obviously feel the need to be served. You must have illegals that run and fetch for you, fool!
179 posted on 11/23/2011 6:27:26 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: hinckley buzzard

“What is Bachmann’s plan? Quickly now. How will she solve the problem?”

For one thing, turning off the magnets that draw them here, like amnesty.


180 posted on 11/23/2011 6:28:28 PM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Exactly! Good post.


181 posted on 11/23/2011 6:35:44 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: rintense
As I said...a jingo-istic wet dream.

I'll make it easy on you...just detail exactly what will happen after you have "captured" five to ten million illegals and nobody will let you deliver them.

Please include how you will house them, where you will house them (segregated by gender and age or will you keep families intact?).

How long do you intend to keep them in your relocation/deportation camps...a year? five years? twenty years?

What force will be required to guard them?

Who will keep them safe from the criminals and gang-bangers in their midst? Who will pay for that? (Oh, I know --- we can create another federal agency with guns).

What pressure will be exerted on the home countries to take them back? What will be the FP ramifications of that?

And that's just one part of your carefully considered plan.

Nope, none of what you propose is do-able in the real world. But, reality has never been your strong suit...

182 posted on 11/23/2011 6:56:09 PM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: y6162; All
Another picture with SE Cupp on the right.



Oh, and as this picture proves, she is a FOX!

183 posted on 11/23/2011 7:22:18 PM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: TitansAFC
>> “Hey, guys......someone else is in the lead now who’s not Cain....DESROY THEM!!!!!!” <<

Is it Bachmann or Santorum? I would be fine with that. We only go after backstabbing establishment hacks who con voters into believing they are "tea party" conservatives. No Trump. No Perry. And definitely NO Newt.

184 posted on 11/23/2011 8:12:22 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: presently no screen name

Why the hell should I do the homework for an ignorant fool like you? You don’t even know what the person you allege to support has said on the subject and you blame others for your own ignorance?? Laughable.


185 posted on 11/23/2011 8:28:27 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Not sure that “local boards” could make fair assessments. They’d be under tremendous pressure to let everyone stay..


186 posted on 11/24/2011 6:23:45 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: Nifster

“Not the Contract for America-— in fact that propelled him to the leadership. He resigned before being kicked out due to his questionable ethics.”

So tell me exactly why his ethics were suddenly so much more questionable?

After the Contract with America? Which fundamentally threatened the DC power structure?

Of course there’s a connection...in the absence of such a move...his “ethics” were quite constructive to DC’s ends.

In fact...all that happened to him in that setting tells the world exactly HOW DC continues to grow despite the intent of We the People. Congress critters’ ethical lapses are routinely leveraged to DC’s ends.

You are not yet quite cynical enough, grasshopper...


187 posted on 11/24/2011 10:53:54 AM PST by mo
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks MNJohnnie.
From his ugly romantic entanglements to his flirtation with environmentalism to his questionable relationship with Freddie Mac, bad decisions and lapses in judgment have been too frequent for a man of such obvious intelligence. And yet, for all his mistakes, Newt remains startlingly unembarrassed...
Actually, that's a great trait for a politician. Not so much for a politician one wants to elect. We've got us a bunch of potential running mates, and yes, Newt is one. He's a bulldog in debates, just what one wants in a second. And any, literally any, criticism the left might consider using on Newt will excoriate their own ugly political party and personal lives.


188 posted on 11/26/2011 9:04:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I prefer someone who is not a slick politian who changes positions when the wind blows. I remember Newt’s willingness to work across the aisle and all pf the things he supported that came out of the Bush so called conservative presidency


189 posted on 11/28/2011 5:32:07 AM PST by Nifster
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To: mo

Newt is a CLinton style politian. He is slick and bendable. He is changeable with the winds. I will vote for anyone but the dufus in the white house currently. I do not have to do so in the primary season and will work against the likes of Newt and Mitt


190 posted on 11/28/2011 5:34:22 AM PST by Nifster
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