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"Newt Gingrich Facing GOP backlash Over 'Humane' Immigration Policy" (U.K. Guardian)
The Guardian (United Kingdom) ^ | 24 November 2011 | Ewen MacAskell (in USA)

Posted on 11/23/2011 9:05:05 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

Conservative activists believe Gingrich's views on illegal immigrants has opened up the field for another GOP candidate...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; borders; campaign; gingrich; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; legalization; newtgingrich; openborders; primaries; regularization
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...The latest frontrunner in the Republican presidential race, Newt Gingrich, faced a conservative backlash on Wednesday after advocating a "humane" approach to illegal immigrants, a red hot issue for Tea Party activists and other rightwingers.

His proposal to allow most of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to remain in the US – which he made during Tuesday night's nationally televised GOP debate in Washington – runs counter to Republican orthodoxy, which is opposed to amnesty and in favour of expulsion. ....

Gettin' hot, folks.

1 posted on 11/23/2011 9:05:09 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Does Newt think we are stupid? His plan SUCKS, the ACLU would file suit and have them all declared US Citizens and democrat voters.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 9:14:22 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The US media was divided over whether Gingrich's views on immigration should be lauded as a rare example of courage and honesty on the part of an American politician or another example of him shooting himself in the foot.

The "American media" may be divided but conservatives are not.

NO ILLEGALS.

NO AMNESTY.

NO NEWT.

3 posted on 11/23/2011 9:14:32 PM PST by South40
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Somehow the concept of “Do justice. Love mercy. And walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8) does not line up especially well with the idea of putting 11 million Hispanics into cattle cars (Yes, plenty of Freepers advocate this) and shipping them back to Mexico.

Newt is right on this one.

Flame away.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 9:15:41 PM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: South40
NO ILLEGALS. NO AMNESTY. NO NEWT.

Cain rises to the top and stays there much to the chagrin of MSM.

5 posted on 11/23/2011 9:17:17 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: stockpirate

“His plan SUCKS.”

You’ve read it?
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration


6 posted on 11/23/2011 9:18:11 PM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

HELL, NO!

I don’t want an Open Borders Republican as the nominee of our Party and I don’t want him anywhere is near the White House.

What Gingrich said is a deal-breaker. I could hold my nose and really overlook a lot of other things but not this one. He has lost my vote.


7 posted on 11/23/2011 9:19:06 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: stockpirate
Does Newt think we are stupid? His plan SUCKS,

What's your plan?

8 posted on 11/23/2011 9:19:43 PM PST by Logical me
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To: AmericanInTokyo
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9 posted on 11/23/2011 9:20:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: newheart
Putting 11 million in cattle cars advocated by "plenty of FReepers"? Really?

Take away the magnets (free education, welfare, healthcare), secure the border and they will self-deport. Stop with the sensationalism.

10 posted on 11/23/2011 9:21:48 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I hope he ends up in single digits. We cannot have an alien lover. We got rid of that nasty Perry. We can get rid of Nasty Newt.


11 posted on 11/23/2011 9:23:31 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul)
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To: newheart

I do not read that as license for people to break the law. We’re not enforcing our immigration laws. This is a thoroughly bad idea. We’ve already had several “rolling” amnesties, all extensions by the way, Gingrich supported as Speaker. Shane on me once, I understand. But he promises to get tough after another amnesty. Do it again shame on us! Yeah, really! Where have we heard that before?


12 posted on 11/23/2011 9:23:53 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: newheart

Please surrender another homeland, not mine.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 9:24:07 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason.)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Cain rises to the top and stays there much to the chagrin of MSM.

Yes indeed! Cain has survived one of the sleaziest and most heinous smears from the left.

14 posted on 11/23/2011 9:24:39 PM PST by South40
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Nothing wrong with saying Americans are humane people.

We are.

When America finally realize that we are not permitted by law to get rid of anchor babies, who are legitimate American citizens, then they’ll realize that we’re not getting rid of their parents, and by extension, their grandparents.

You might send the grandparents home, but they can come indefinitely on visitor visas.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 9:26:33 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: newheart

the idea of putting 11 million Hispanics into cattle cars (Yes, plenty of Freepers advocate this) and shipping them back to Mexico.

Well I like it. However, what I would do is give them 30 days to get the heck out of the country and if they don’t they are put in jail for life. I bet we would get rid of a ton of them that way. If they are caught twice then they are judged in Texas and the death penalty is available. Coming into our country while we are at war is an act of treason. This is not the time to be caring about felons.


16 posted on 11/23/2011 9:26:33 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I’m done with Newt. I gave him a chance and I was ready to overlook his adultery and global warming scam, but he is doubling down with perryesque pro-illegal stance.

Go to hell Newt. I cannot vote scumbag like you.

I think Michele deserves second look.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 9:28:32 PM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: Logical me

Enforce the law. It is not complicated. Enforce existing immigration laws, including employer sanctions and they’ll stop coming.

If we really need more labor (in this economy??) don’t reward illegals with the first place in line.


18 posted on 11/23/2011 9:28:45 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. So is immigration, legal or illegal, of Islam.)
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To: stockpirate

Good point. Had not thought of that, right away.


19 posted on 11/23/2011 9:30:42 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: newheart
Cattle cars?

When I was in the Marines we marched thirty miles in a day with packs and rifles. They can march 25 miles a day unencumbered.

20 posted on 11/23/2011 9:32:41 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: newheart
No need to flame.

You just flamed yourself. And in front of so many people.

I am truly embarrassed for you.

21 posted on 11/23/2011 9:33:01 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: xzins

American citizen children can live overseas with their deported parents. Happens all the time, though not often enough.

No one can legally stay indefintely on a visitors visa. (Unless of course some aging doper like Obama lets them.)


22 posted on 11/23/2011 9:33:51 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. So is immigration, legal or illegal, of Islam.)
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To: xzins
That is fair (your idea). Most nations would do that.

We Americans are not mean, but we are fair. At the utmost, WE MUST BE FAIR TO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, many of whom went through HELL to get to the USA, while others get to just skate, and now a man who would be President puts his imprimatur on such a nonsensical, unworkable and UNJUST idea. Pathetic. Truly absolutely pathetic. One of the low points of Campaign 2012.

23 posted on 11/23/2011 9:35:50 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

memo to y’all.
I pray your candidate does well in Iowa.

I’d like to see Newt beat Romney in New Hampshire.

Bachmann, Perry, Cain: in the real world, they have no campaign in New Hampshire and their support is reduced to their core supporters which is usually not enough to get out of single digits.

The expectation right now in NH, order of finish:
1. MITT
2. NEWT
3. ronPaul
4. Huntsman
5. & 6. Michele & Cain
7. Perry
8. Santorum beats out Johnson & Roemer.

It is very difficult (impossible) to convince volunteers to campaign for somebody who is in single digits 47 days before the primary.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 9:35:50 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Twelve million is,in my estimation, a very low estimate. And AMNESTY has always contained a provision for two or three generations to tag along. So, go with Newt if you want. Or any of those others that advocate it. But remember how many of these people celebrate Cinco Demayo over Independence Day.


25 posted on 11/23/2011 9:36:10 PM PST by CT
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To: newheart

I happen to agree with you. Illegal immigration is a hot button issue with me, but the “Operation Wetback” of the 1950’s will not fly in today’s p.c. world.

Heck, farm lands are shut down for tiny fish and oil well drilling areas shut down for for tiny lizards. I really don’t see support for mass deportation of people.

I think that a compromise might work. Not blanket amnesty.

The border has to be secured in a logical manner. No more anchor babies. No more public assistance. Self deportation will happen, imho.


26 posted on 11/23/2011 9:37:22 PM PST by berdie
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Newt has a long string of baggage like a freight train. From individual mandate, Dede Scozzafava, “conservative social engineering”, House Bank, not wanting to give up his mandate, Freddie Mac’s millions (worked an hour a month?) etc etc.

Newt is not the man.


27 posted on 11/23/2011 9:38:32 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Where was Newt when Perry made pro-illegal immigrant mumblings and his poll numbers went into the sewer? Apparently, he didn’t get that little memo from advisers.


28 posted on 11/23/2011 9:38:54 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: heiss
Believe me, Newt's crack wonk team is in full battle dress mode for this one, and will have some clever damage control narrative dusted off and pushed out there by the Talk Show Talking Heads (Laura, Sean, Michael (Medved), maybe Rush), by Monday afternoon, to stop the bedrock conservative electoral hemmorage this thing is guaranteed to bring about. There goes their Thanksgiving Day Holidays. Sucks to be them. Can't say it could happen to a nicer candidate though. What a sneaky fraud. Courage, my arse. Idiotic!


29 posted on 11/23/2011 9:40:15 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: CT
So, go with Newt if you want.

Voy a votar para Herman Cain.

30 posted on 11/23/2011 9:40:34 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: heiss

She is a decent person, with a good voting record, and the treatment she got from NBC was absolutely atrocious (Fallon Show)!!


31 posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:27 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: goldstategop
What Gingrich said is a deal-breaker. I could hold my nose and really overlook a lot of other things but not this one. He has lost my vote.?

Hopefully we won't need your vote.

32 posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:34 PM PST by Logical me
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To: campaignPete R-CT

That’s what the secret, non-descript basement boiler rooms (phone banks) 24/7 at remote locations around the countryare for, each week targetting the next primary or caucus state. Not everything that is out there “meets the eye” so to speak. The nature of the ground game has changed with technology. ;-)


33 posted on 11/23/2011 9:44:16 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: newheart
Newt is a tool of the left as seen in this video - rino on rino...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vrNm4DJoI
34 posted on 11/23/2011 9:46:26 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

peeples in NH do not answer their phone in the final 2 weeks. Gotta have an organization.

I guess if these phone banks can jigger things so they have a 603 NH area code for caller ID, that would help.


35 posted on 11/23/2011 9:48:18 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You know, I’ve always like Newt. But, I’m just fascinated with the politics here- why would he make this an issue now when he was pulling away?

It reminded me of his book deal in 1994- He beats Wright like a rented mule over Wright’s book deal, and then, as soon as Newt becomes speaker, he signs a multi-million $ book deal?????????

Politically, I didn’t understand that- and now I don’t understand this-—


36 posted on 11/23/2011 9:48:37 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: napscoordinator
if they don’t they are put in jail for life.

11 million * $45,000/yr = Half a trillion Dollars for just one year's incarceration. Don't think that's going to happen.

37 posted on 11/23/2011 9:49:51 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: goldstategop

Why do you call Newt an supporter of open borders?

He has said the borders have to be controlled, that it’s a national security imperative.


38 posted on 11/23/2011 10:00:25 PM PST by Mari2525
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To: GeronL

Agreed. If he gets the nomination, get ready for the MSM to unload the 200 lbs of baggage he has and watch him sink. It doesn’t help he has positions nearly identical with Obama’s.


39 posted on 11/23/2011 10:16:41 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mari2525

He supports amnesty and anchor babies should be US citizens. If that’s not an Open Borders Republican, I don’t know who would be one. And no one is talking of cracking down on illegal immigration and securing our borders. That’s what is missing from the political debate.


40 posted on 11/23/2011 10:19:09 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jane Long
Putting 11 million in cattle cars advocated by “plenty of FReepers”? Really? ...

Stop with the sensationalism

Cattle cars eh?
Umm..when is the last time you saw any illegal being deported out of this country in cattle cars?
And you accuse others of sensationalism? Exactly who is sensationalizing here?

41 posted on 11/23/2011 10:19:37 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Nobody cares about leftist New Hampshire. Really.


42 posted on 11/23/2011 10:20:02 PM PST by Politicalmom
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To: SmokingJoe
I didn't make the statement regarding cattle cars...I questioned it.

See post #4, of which I was replying to.

43 posted on 11/23/2011 10:24:11 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Hey, I resemble that remark! Just joking. at any rate, thanks for the ground game G-2/advice! ;-)


44 posted on 11/23/2011 10:26:52 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: steve86

Half a trillion might be a bargain if we send them home afterwards compared to keeping them on the public teat.


45 posted on 11/23/2011 10:26:52 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Jane Long

You are right. Apologies.


46 posted on 11/23/2011 10:29:54 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Logical me

If you like to vote for a used car salesman, fine. Just don’t come home crying to us later when you discover a President Gingrich is as unfaithful to you as he was to his wives.


47 posted on 11/23/2011 10:30:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmokingJoe

Its a strawman argument. No one is proposing to ship illegals home in cattle cars. They can be put on a plane and their country can be billed for the cost of repatriating them.


48 posted on 11/23/2011 10:33:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: newheart
Somehow the concept of “Do justice. Love mercy. And walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8) does not line up especially well with the idea of putting 11 million Hispanics into cattle cars (Yes, plenty of Freepers advocate this) and shipping them back to Mexico.

I challenge you to name just one FReeper who advocates putting 11 million Hispanics into cattle cars and shipping them back to Mexico

49 posted on 11/23/2011 10:46:15 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: goldstategop

Wikipedia’s definition of an open border is “a border that enables free movement of people between different jurisdictions with limited or no restrictions to movement.”

Since Newt believes in securing the border, he doesn’t fit the definition of an open border Republican.


50 posted on 11/23/2011 10:50:15 PM PST by Mari2525
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