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1 posted on 11/24/2011 5:58:47 AM PST by NetLiberty
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To: NetLiberty

Corruption most definitely has infected both major parties. It’s naive to think only the Democrats are suffering this malady.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 6:12:55 AM PST by rovenstinez
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I don't doubt your conservative credentials but I distrust any construction of events which draws any sort of equivalence between the Tea Party and the Occupiers. The groups' goals are fundamentally opposed and their organizations totally different.

Taken to their logical conclusion the Occupiers are totalitarians, as are their organizers. To be sure, there are large numbers of naive and ignorant useful idiots among them who would not go that far, but they are not the ones directing the operation nor are they in the end anything but dispensible. The Tea Party has limited explicit goals of reducing the footprint of government in our lives.

The Tea Party would like nothing better than to elect a functioning majority of responsible legislators who can be trusted, and then go home. The Occupiers are outliers preparing the battlefield for widespread violent civil disruption of the elections next year. Bank on it.

3 posted on 11/24/2011 6:12:59 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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I've come to the realization that our country's problems are so deep and so grave that we must all work together to make the BIG changes required, and I think the media and the powers that be on both sides are using their power of propaganda to keep both sides fighting with each other.

I'm saddened that you have been on this forum since 1998 and yet don't have a clue what you're talking about.

What you are suggesting would be like saying the Weimar Republic was trying to stay in power by pitting the communists versus the fascists and encouraging street battles.

Your just flat out wrong. The OWS crowd are primarily the same old leftists that are prone to show up at every liberal protest whether it be anti-capitalism, anti-war, anti-energy, etc. They are not our allies or friends, and they believe in taking this country further down the wrong path we are already on. They are our ideological foes, they believe in everything we do not. Are most of these protesters being used? Sure, but not by "the powers that be" in order to keep the people divided. They are being used by more intelligent leftist who direct their movement. The protesters and their leaders are still in ideological agreement, the only difference is the rabble at OWS camps are not bright enough to understand how best to achieve their aims.

The problems we have in this nation are that the OWS crowd have been getting their way for far too long. They call for more government spending and more regulation. That is exactly what has led us to 15 trillion in debt and the crisis we face.

The key to turning this nation around is convincing a larger majority of the American public that conservative governance is the correct path forward. That will involve defeating the OWS types, not foolishly believing they are our allies.

5 posted on 11/24/2011 6:26:05 AM PST by Longbow1969
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Tell you something else, when Obama said he would veto any attempt to sidestep the deficit reduction requiements it was the first time I ever admired him. To me the debt is the greatest national security threat and rather than not do anything or continue adding to it I’d rather do the agreed to cuts.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 6:37:13 AM PST by bkepley
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• Why do we only seem to be hearing about the need to aggressively prosecute the rampant financial fraud that crashed our economy from the 'Occupy' people, and not from 'our' media sources in talk radio, etc.--Rush, Hannity, Fox, etc.?

False statement, false premise.

OWS hasn't said a single coherent thing since its inception.

10 posted on 11/24/2011 6:41:04 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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Just bankers?

What about Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Ben Bernanke and all their cohorts???

The crisis was entirely political and entirely predictable as well.


11 posted on 11/24/2011 6:44:06 AM PST by Scanian
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Why do we only seem to be hearing about the need to aggressively prosecute the rampant financial fraud that crashed our economy from the 'Occupy' people, and not from 'our' media sources in talk radio, etc.--Rush, Hannity, Fox, etc.?

I think that question will be answered on election day.

13 posted on 11/24/2011 6:58:44 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Fight Club Lawyer", Bailout)
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It blows my mind that Karl, being so smart, can be so naive. Sometimes I get the feeling that he purposely writes stuff like that in order to either a) appear "reasonable" so that his readers can't accuse him of being one-sided, or b) print disinformation to provide cover for OWS in an attempt to hide their true beliefs/motive/intent,

Now that I think about it, I think it's probably both. He can't possibly be that naive.

17 posted on 11/24/2011 8:25:39 AM PST by vrwc1
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NetLiberty, just watched this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as5Xq4_TDos&feature=player_embedded today.

Freepers,are we squabbling amount minutia while Rome burns?

A house divided cannot stand.

We do have some common ground with some of the OWS folks. To overlook that only gives power to those that wisely see the division factor. Note the word ‘some’. It is operative here.

When any American, be it Freeper or OWS, is touting freedom from government/corporate corruption we are negligent to not take note and put out a hand for conversation to that individual. Note the word ‘individual’. It is operative here.

So, some American individuals are aware that government/corporate corruption is ruining our Nation while our freedoms are being lost and they want to do something about it all.

God bless them and Godspeed that they unite and do what is right.


20 posted on 01/08/2012 7:26:07 PM PST by Wiz-Nerd
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