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Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate
Forbes.com ^ | 11-23-11 | James Taylor

Posted on 11/25/2011 9:37:12 AM PST by Arcy

A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

The new emails also reveal the scientists’ attempts to politicize the debate and advance predetermined outcomes.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climategate2; globalwarming; mannmade; russiaclimateemails
The refusual to disclose the data from their research only serves to confirm what we already know: Man-made Global Warming / Climate Change is a LIE!
1 posted on 11/25/2011 9:37:19 AM PST by Arcy
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To: Arcy

it is kept alive so algore can have an income. and we can further have our cash raped from us.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 9:40:37 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Arcy

The good folks over at WattUpWithThat had been sifting through the emails. A couple of thread were very interesting. Be sure to read the comments section.....particularly in the first link:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/24/world-bank-global-warming-journals-and-cru/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/24/foia2011-and-climategate-a-chinese-potus-connection/


3 posted on 11/25/2011 9:48:33 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Arcy
and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes

How do you deal with these so call scientists? they are doing a great deal of harm to society, can they be de-certified or something? I have seen some of these crackpots get exposed as frauds only to come back to life with another scam five or ten years later.

4 posted on 11/25/2011 9:51:21 AM PST by oldbrowser (There is a shakeup coming to Washington, one way or another.)
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To: Arcy
Everyone should go to the link. Without lots of hits this report will be buried!
5 posted on 11/25/2011 9:51:29 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Arcy

Good article....


6 posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:32 AM PST by tje
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To: Arcy

But, but, but the left says the global warming science is settled. Bwahahahahahaha. These clowns are running a money scam pure and simple.


7 posted on 11/25/2011 10:08:20 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Arcy
many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Environmentalists always use dishonesty whenever it can further their agenda to destroy capitalism.

8 posted on 11/25/2011 10:17:45 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Arcy
“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose” skeptical scientist Steve McIntyre, Mann writes in another newly released email.

They will have no problem finding a jourbilist to smear the skeptics.

9 posted on 11/25/2011 10:20:41 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping!


10 posted on 11/25/2011 10:25:32 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead; rdl6989; Nervous Tick; SteamShovel; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; ...
Thanx for the ping bamahead !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

11 posted on 11/25/2011 10:56:45 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Arcy
Green is the new Red. Anything to destroy capitalism and on to socialist utopia. We are at War folks. Steel yourselves, prepare and fight with the truth - for now. . .
12 posted on 11/25/2011 10:57:12 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Arcy

It's all unraveling.

13 posted on 11/25/2011 10:57:48 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Arcy

When’s Al Gore going to jail?


14 posted on 11/25/2011 11:03:40 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Arcy

Bump for Monday distribution to commie colleagues


15 posted on 11/25/2011 11:05:43 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Art in Idaho
We are at War folks.

You're preaching to the choir. Folks at FR have been "at war", so to speak, for quite some time.
Just a sample from 2002...THE NEW MARXISM: GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE, RED ON THE INSIDE

Welcome to the show. What took you so long to get here?

16 posted on 11/25/2011 11:07:49 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Arcy
What is already clear, however, is the need for more objective research and ethical conduct by the scientists at the heart of the IPCC and the global warming discussion.

What's needed is to disband these organizations and quit supporting totalitarian theorists and propagandists with taxpayers' money.

17 posted on 11/25/2011 11:10:35 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Arcy

The more nails in the coffin of that “global warming” scam, the better.
This latest email dump should seal the deal, hopefully forever.

What should happen next is these alleged “scientists” should be sued into oblivion for recovery of billions in wasted, fraudulently obtained taxpayer dollars. Seriously, has anybody sued those bastards yet?


18 posted on 11/25/2011 11:13:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Arcy
The government should not be funding funding of any science that is not directly related to and at under the control of the military for purely military purposes. Any other science funding brings only corruption and political goals for which truth is not relevant.
19 posted on 11/25/2011 11:13:46 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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The LEFT and its apparachiks in the MSM are yet again attempting to control the language of argument by changing the term "Global Warming" to "Climate Change".
20 posted on 11/25/2011 11:25:22 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Arcy
Perhaps we should now refer to it as Mann-made Global Warming.
21 posted on 11/25/2011 11:39:49 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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To: philman_36
You're preaching to the choir. Folks at FR have been "at war", so to speak, for quite some time. Just a sample from 2002...THE NEW MARXISM: GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE, RED ON THE INSIDE

Welcome to the show. What took you so long to get here?

Thanks for the link. Wish I had found FR sooner. Was blown away when Obama got elected and did a search for conservative sites and joined up. What a wealth of info and great people. Wish FR was 'required reading' for all voters. Now wouldn't that be something!

22 posted on 11/25/2011 11:49:07 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: pyx
"The LEFT and its apparachiks in the MSM are yet again attempting to control the language of argument by changing the term "Global Warming" to "Climate Change"."

And some GOP presidential candidates sit on a sofa with Pelosi, agreeing that, "...our country must take action to address climate change."

23 posted on 11/25/2011 11:51:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Arcy

The joke is that it’s the “data” behind the AGW theory that IS Man-made. (At least Man-ipulated).


24 posted on 11/25/2011 12:25:12 PM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Arcy

Green is the new greed.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 2:05:36 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: aflaak

Ping


26 posted on 11/25/2011 3:46:33 PM PST by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: Arcy

It’s not going to change the minds of the drones. :(:(:(


27 posted on 11/25/2011 4:26:38 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
And some GOP presidential candidates sit on a sofa with Pelosi, agreeing that, "...our country must take action to address climate change."

That's our Newt, the new frontrunner.

28 posted on 11/25/2011 7:30:28 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Arcy

>> only serves to confirm what we already know:

I was thinking grant whores.


29 posted on 11/25/2011 7:32:51 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: philman_36

You’re preaching to the choir. Folks at FR have been “at war”, so to speak, for quite some time.
Just a sample from 2002...THE NEW MARXISM: GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE, RED ON THE INSIDE


An anecdote for you....to point out EXACTLY how long this has been going on.

Back in college from 1968-72, one of the most active socialist professors on my campus was an English professor.

One day, I eavesdropped on a conversation he was having with some of his useful idiot disciples. During that conversation, I specifically remember him saying that the the socialist movement had been using the consumer movement for years to advance its agenda..but that the future for advancing socialism lay in the environmentalist movement..which was just getting started. The very first “Earth” Day was observed in 1970.

This has been going on for a hell of a longer time than 2002.


30 posted on 11/25/2011 8:53:57 PM PST by Livfreeordi
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To: pyx

“Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)”


How very, very true..which is why, whenever I debate with a leftist, I refuse to let them start out by defining the meanings and definitions of the terms used in the argument.

Allow that..and they will always twist and redefine the meanings of words in such a way..that they’ve already won the argument before you’ve said a word, but if you hold fast..and refuse to accept their premises and force them to defend their arguments on the basis of logic..they are screwed.

Leftists can’t defend their superstitions on the basis of logic..which is why, the first thing any left winger ever does..is try to get you to accept his redefintions of words..before you even start debating.

Don’t allow them to do that, don’t accept their premises and stick to the facts....and you will never lose an argument with any of them.


31 posted on 11/25/2011 9:02:45 PM PST by Livfreeordi
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To: Livfreeordi
This has been going on for a hell of a longer time than 2002.
No s**t, Sherlock! Tell me something I don't know.
Where the hell did I say that the environmental movement started in 2002?
Here's a clue...I didn't! I only said that folks at FR have been fighting this battle for a while.

"Folks at FR have been “at war”, so to speak, for quite some time."

32 posted on 11/25/2011 9:32:00 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Livfreeordi
Leftists can’t defend their superstitions on the basis of logic..which is why, the first thing any left winger ever does..is try to get you to accept his redefintions of words..before you even start debating.
Kind of like you twisting my words to imply I said something I didn't.
33 posted on 11/25/2011 9:34:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Arcy

There should be Class Action Law Suits for ?extortion, or False claims which only served to enrich these bastards.

I am sure each of us have been forced to spend money on these false claims. CFL Lamps?


34 posted on 11/26/2011 6:27:09 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (When every candidate is running in last place, everyone is in first place.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
When’s Al Gore going to jail?

When's Michael Mann going to jail?

If Penn State is serious about investigating the culture of cover up that infects all aspects of their University then they should re-open the investigation that supposedly cleared Michael "The Cause" Mann.

35 posted on 11/26/2011 7:16:41 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Holiday Special - Railpass to visit Obamavilles in all 57 states on the Intercontinental Railroad)
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