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Gingrich: Most illegal immigrants should leave, reapply to become citizens
MSNBC ^ | 11-25-2011 | Alex Moe

Posted on 11/25/2011 9:26:18 PM PST by TitansAFC

NAPLES, FL -- Presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich defended his immigration policy after days of criticism from other GOP contenders – reiterating that he does not support amnesty -- on Friday night before his largest crowd yet on the campaign trail.

"I am not for amnesty for anyone. I am not for a path to citizenship for anybody who got here illegally," Gingrich told the crowd of roughly 750 people, many of whom were forced to stand in the hallway...........

"I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply. I do not think anybody should be eligible for citizenship,".....

(Excerpt) Read more at firstread.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; aliens; amnesty; amnewtsty; gingrich; illegal; immigration; laraza; maldef; newt; newtito; obama; openborders
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To: oldbill

Yeah, don’t you love the $5000 fine nonsense? These progressives have tried floating this one before.

Okay, so we let them stay, then what? Who enforces the payment of the fine? What if they refuse to pay it? Are they arrested? Encarcerated?

Let’s see, we can’t go round them up and put them on a deportation bus, but officers are going to knock on their doors demanding $5000?

As you — or perhaps another poster — said upthread, they think we’re stupid.


101 posted on 11/26/2011 6:20:32 AM PST by Bigg Red (Maryland girl on the Cain Train)
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To: oldbill
" Do you really think that if Gingrich got his wish to legalize the illegals but not give them citizenship, there would not be an immediate push to then make them citizens, because, after all, how can you deny 20 million plus residents the right to vote? "

BINGO !

That their plan, to gradually desensitize us into capitulating, for there will be mass protests and demonstration and all the ( Realitive Moralism: got to let their relitives stay here too of they been here 25 years : sarcasm ) of how we are immoral not letting them vote..

You see ? it first starts out, letting them sneak in in the first plane, and then ? " ohh well, there's 20 million of them, can't do nothing about them going back now, water under the bridge, the horses have left the barn and it's to late to close the barn door ).
Then ? " ohhh well, might as well make them citizens " .
Then ? ohh you mean heartless people, why don't you let them vote, after all, they have rights too as citizens.

You see people ? that's how it's going, going down the slippery slope.
Just like school prayer, one days someone say that prayer should be taken out of schools, then ? all religions are equal, them ? remove God or all references of God out of America... that's how the progressives do it, one step at a time gradually..
102 posted on 11/26/2011 6:25:36 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: GLDNGUN

As far as requiring them to be here for a certain period of time to qualify to be allowed to live here legally...when the last amnesty was given there was a requirement that the illegal had lived here (I think it was 20 years) problem was illegals just obtained false documents showing they had been here the required time- had employers, neighbors, people on the street writing that they had rented from them, worked for them, ect. It was a sham and illegals that were newly arrived were given citizenship. The document sham is one reason so many more were given amnesty than was planned for. Illegals know they can sham our system, that is why anytime anyone of note mentions even the possiblity of an amnesty type plan illegals flood across the border. They know if they are here when any plan to legalize illegals happens they can jump on the wagon. No matter what the requirements would be, illegals would produce them- real or not. Illegals have already proven they refuse to follow our laws, why do so many believe that they will not break laws to qualify for some sort of legalization?


103 posted on 11/26/2011 6:26:54 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: topfile

I guess if you had 3 people shot to death in your neighborhood in the last year 1/2 and see drug lords in your neighborhood and illegals you might have a different perspective about the illegals....


104 posted on 11/26/2011 6:56:58 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TitansAFC
All the people who are soft on illegals and are in favor for this Newt plan, why don't they come and visit the neiborhood I live in and live in a crime ridden neiborhood every day where you got to duck bullets getting to your car, or worry if your mother will be the next victim of either the druggies robber her of her money or just plan shooting her because they feel like it.
Why don't they come to my neighborhood and see all the illegals all over the place.... that's the reality I got to live with every single day here....

Ohh yeah, I know I will get the snug reaction " why don't you just move out ? " .... ohhh really ? are you serious ? where we have put down our own roots in this neighborhood and been living here for 22 years and we are natural born US citizens ?
Ohh, it's easy to be critical and view this from a far distance in your nice safe gated community where you don't have to deal with this every day or look at it from afar.

Put your self in my shoe, got to worry if your going to make it to your car just going to the store without ducking bullets or going to be the next victim in my neighborhood.
It once was a nice place to live not so long ago.

I want the crime and the illegals out and deported...
105 posted on 11/26/2011 7:09:28 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
It looks like the liberal media want Gingrich as well by the treatment they are giving him,

CNN is absolutely in love with him, for now. But if he wins the nomination then it's gloves off.

106 posted on 11/26/2011 7:23:00 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Steelfish

If Gingrich is the Republican nominee this is the surest ticket to an Obama landslide.
______________________________
You are probably right, I can’t disagree. I don’t think he can overcome his baggage. When the time comes, I will vote for the best conservative that the polls show has the best chance of beating the Marxist Muslim Kenyan usurper, Barry Hussein Soetoro.


107 posted on 11/26/2011 7:25:48 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: Bigg Red
Who enforces the payment of the fine?

No one because they'll make sure to put in the law a hardship clause that will be so vague that it can interpreted any which way the executive branch wants to.

108 posted on 11/26/2011 7:26:45 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: American Constitutionalist; South40; Huck; BunnySlippers; shield; tutstar; greyfoxx39; marktwain; ..

ping


109 posted on 11/26/2011 7:31:55 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: federal__reserve
GOP Debate: Newt Gingrich Admits 1986 Amnesty Failed, But Would Do it Again

Newt is for amnesty and in June 2011 Debate Newt Gingrich called Americans Heartless for wanting to deport 20 million illegals.

"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly."
June 2011 Debate Transcript

110 posted on 11/26/2011 7:40:57 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Bigg Red
" Who enforces the payment of the fine? "

The same one's who will fine you for not buying into ObamaCare plan scam ? just a guess...
111 posted on 11/26/2011 7:42:34 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Apollo5600

ok, time to turn our backs on him. he is not electable, never was, but now he has shot himself in the foot. any other candidates out there.


112 posted on 11/26/2011 7:45:52 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: TitansAFC

***********UNICORN ALERT************

I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply.


113 posted on 11/26/2011 7:54:58 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: writer33
Flashbacks McCain? You just wait until he really really starts attacking Obama.
I doubt he will because of race so instead he'll attack the (wink) party.
Another stinking COWARD!


This asshat is relishing the attention and will say anything to keep
the ball in play and the money flowing.

Hell No Newt.

114 posted on 11/26/2011 7:59:12 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: American Constitutionalist
I noticed some are quiet after my post, what's the matter ? can't come up with a response ? ....

You will realize how tuff you are and resilient after you have been living in the neighborhood I have been living in for years and been living with this crap every day....

By God's Grace I am still alive, and my family is still alive and been not harmed.

What's the matter folks ? not so brave as you thought you were ? all talk, can't put you money were your mouth is... all talk... for me ? I got to live with this every day.
115 posted on 11/26/2011 8:12:14 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: swampfox101
better get used to it. He’s gonna be ur repub. nominee.

If that happens better get used to it then because Obama's going to be the president for the next four years.

116 posted on 11/26/2011 8:16:16 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: trebb

I never have deliberately broken a law. Strange as it may seem to someone like you, I keep to the speed limit. Makes life simpler that way.

Over the last 25 years, I have been in the USA legally, and when I filled out my last job application, I correctly checked YES in the “are you a citizen” field. That’s 25 years of not committing a felony.

An illegal alien cannot say that.


117 posted on 11/26/2011 8:26:47 AM PST by DBrow
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To: thecodont

No it’s not. Look where the majority of the supposed fleeing are going, and it isn’t back over the border. You’ve tried to conflate two very different scenarios. When Alabama passes their strict laws, the surrounding states remain not as strict so the illegals move there. If the US starts the cattle ars running South (and that’s what it will take to acxcomplish what the hate-filled demand in short order for 20 or 30 million men women and children), it is not anything like the current situation with Alabama and surrounding less strict laws. But I can see why you want to mischaracterize the perspective.


118 posted on 11/26/2011 8:30:01 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: DBrow
" Over the last 25 years, I have been in the USA legally, and when I filled out my last job application, I correctly checked YES in the “are you a citizen” field. That’s 25 years of not committing a felony. "

And we welcome from one American to another American.

Those who have come here by going through the proper process and legally tend to be outstanding , law abiding, happy to be American citizens and are productive and ad much value to our country... and we are happy you are here....
119 posted on 11/26/2011 8:30:19 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Apollo5600

I would love to know who your candidate is


120 posted on 11/26/2011 8:30:43 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - An actual plan that solves illegals without amnesty, unlike your candidate. Gingrich/Palin)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sir, isn’t it about time to get a better hold on your website, so the Romney Shills and DNC operatives do not define your conservative venue the way they find it suits their agenda?


121 posted on 11/26/2011 8:32:39 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
" (and that’s what it will take to acxcomplish what the hate-filled demand in short order for 20 or 30 million men women and children) "

Oh Really ? are you serious ? Hate filled ?

All talk...

Why don't you just come and visit the neighborhood I live in with all the drug lords, crime, and illegals here....
Let's see how really brave you are.
I got to live with this every single day hoping that the next gun shot that goes off is not my mother, my family, or me just going to our cars and going to the store..
It's so easy to be critical while living in a gated community looking at this from afar.


122 posted on 11/26/2011 8:35:32 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: bigbob

Dood ... SRO is SRO. If 750 was all that could stand in the room, Jesus could have showed up and that is all that would have been there.


123 posted on 11/26/2011 8:36:31 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - An actual plan that solves illegals without amnesty, unlike your candidate. Gingrich/Palin)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yes, I’m serious. Well, in your case, it’s either fear or deceit. I suspect you’re a Romney or Obama worker. You have company presently, framing Freerepublic as your camp sees it best marginalized.


124 posted on 11/26/2011 8:37:53 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
" Sir, isn’t it about time to get a better hold on your website, so the Romney Shills and DNC operatives do not define your conservative venue the way they find it suits their agenda? "


You Sir, have drunk to much of the GringoGrino Gingrich Koolaid.
125 posted on 11/26/2011 8:39:48 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TitansAFC

I lived overseas.

When I renewed by visa, I had to actually leave the country and come back in ... legally.

We should do that. Anyone not able to come back in legally, should not come back in.

Why America should not do this just like every other nation, is just plain stupid.


126 posted on 11/26/2011 8:40:30 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Funny, most of us think Sarah Palin is a pretty swell conservative, and she used the EXACT same word.

http://archivo.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=1716304&pagenum=2


127 posted on 11/26/2011 8:41:08 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - An actual plan that solves illegals without amnesty, unlike your candidate. Gingrich/Palin)
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To: MHGinTN
" Well, in your case, it’s either fear or deceit "

Ok,, put your money where you mouth is, I challenge to go to the city police department and check it out for yourself and come to our neighborhood, that is ? if your brave enough..

Jim Robinson knows who I am, and I am surely not working for Mitt Romney or from the D.N.C.... go ask him your self..

You ALL TALK...
128 posted on 11/26/2011 8:43:08 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

For your twisted information, I pinged to the imagery in post #67. That you welcome such imagery says a lot about you, not me or Jim Robinson.


129 posted on 11/26/2011 8:45:10 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

So you’re telling us it is fear which motivates your posts ...


130 posted on 11/26/2011 8:47:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: American Constitutionalist; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; ...
RE :"All the people who are soft on illegals and are in favor for this Newt plan, why don't they come and visit the neiborhood I live in and live in a crime ridden neiborhood every day where you got to duck bullets getting to your car, or worry if your mother will be the next victim of either the druggies robber her of her money or just plan shooting her because they feel like it. Why don't they come to my neighborhood and see all the illegals all over the place.... that's the reality I got to live with every single day here...."

sjb lives not far from the Mexico border in Arizona. He can testify how the wave of daily illegals are brightening up his area of the country doing volunteer charity work, and donating to charities, helping the elderly, ...etc... right??.

Newt just says things without thinking them out. That is why some here think he is a great debater. Sure, if a illegal is here 25 years with American grandchildren kicking him out sounds tough; until you try to talk about what giving him amnesty, or purposefully letting him live in the shadows really means.

131 posted on 11/26/2011 8:49:07 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: MHGinTN
" So you’re telling us it is fear which motivates your posts "

If it was fear I would have moved out of this neighborhood a long time ago.
Like I said, I challenge you to go to our city police department and check it for your self and see....

It's so easy to be critical living in a nice safe gated community where you don't have to live with this crap every day.... we can't afford to move out of this neighborhood, and I am physically disabled..
132 posted on 11/26/2011 8:52:32 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist
YOU replied to me???? WHY???? Your post was in a reply to #1, how did you get me into that???? You have another type of ping list or something to get your view across?

I support NEWT GINGRICH. If I did not respond to any of your posts in the thread, it was because I disagree with you and see no need to be-labor the issue. You are not going to win your arguement with me.

Take me OFF you Anti NEWT ping list, please.

133 posted on 11/26/2011 8:56:12 AM PST by annieokie
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To: American Constitutionalist

Its a lot easier to deny them the right to vote than to hunt them down, incarcerate them, prosecute them, and deport them. One function is administrative, and gets a lot of scrutiny every election. The other would require billions of dollars, raising an army, building concentration camps to hold detainees, creating a whole new court system just to handle the volume, and getting compliance with Mexico to take them back (which Mexico has fought in the past).

Denying the right to vote is fairly simple ... if resident registers to vote the state runs the list against federal records. If they are found to be a Green/Red card holder, their registration is invalidated and they are purged from the voter list. If they actually do vote and it is not found out until later, then they are prosecuted. This last year I ran a campaign, and I stopped and spoke to a lot of people who were Green card holders and they knew this implicitly. This is the way the law works now.


134 posted on 11/26/2011 8:56:30 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - An actual plan that solves illegals without amnesty, unlike your candidate. Gingrich/Palin)
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To: RainMan

Ok, I see... so ? what your saying is to those Americans who where born here who can’t afford to move out of those areas, is ? To bad.. tuff luck... right ?


135 posted on 11/26/2011 9:02:41 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TitansAFC
Gingrich: "I may have written a book on atheism but I pray it sells". lol.

(actually a woody allen quote)

136 posted on 11/26/2011 9:04:27 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: annieokie
Ok. ok, I am sorry, gee wizz.....

I see you have no compassion for Americans like me who have to deal with this sort of crap every day who can't afford to move out of these crime ridden areas.
137 posted on 11/26/2011 9:06:19 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: MHGinTN
** (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.) **

You should live by your own words... for you have been deceived by drinking to much of the RINO Newt Koolaid.....


138 posted on 11/26/2011 9:11:30 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: RainMan

“Its a lot easier to deny them the right to vote than to hunt them down, incarcerate them, prosecute them, and deport them.”

Apparently you have never heard of the ACLU or the U.S. judicial system.


139 posted on 11/26/2011 9:15:09 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: RainMan
Boy are you naive.

Illegals already vote, and in large numbers. They have already flipped elections in Virginia (Webb), Minnesota (Frankin), and California (Sanchez).

If you can't stop them from voting now, while they are illegal, what makes you think you can stop them when they are here in a legal status?

140 posted on 11/26/2011 10:38:24 AM PST by oldbill
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To: American Constitutionalist

#105 BUMP


141 posted on 11/26/2011 10:45:51 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: oldbill

Ah, so then in your view, the only option is to round them up at gunpoint and escort them across the border. Let me know how it goes in the General election for a candidate that espouses that.


142 posted on 11/26/2011 11:07:39 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - An actual plan that solves illegals without amnesty, unlike your candidate. Gingrich/Palin)
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To: bwc2221

Yes I have. The ACLU has a significantly harder time arguing against Green/Red Card status, but they sure as heck will fight what you are proposing. There would not be a single illegal rounded up under your proposal because the ACLU would tie it up in knots.


143 posted on 11/26/2011 11:10:57 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - An actual plan that solves illegals without amnesty, unlike your candidate. Gingrich/Palin)
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To: RainMan

Logical thinking not your strong point, eh?

That’s OK. Your man Gingrich ain’t so good at it either.
Maybe you can point out the actual law to Newt, since he is applying for the job that requires him to enforce it:

8USC1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens
How Current is This? (a) Criminal penalties
(1)
(A) Any person who—
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)
(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).


144 posted on 11/26/2011 11:18:37 AM PST by oldbill
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To: RainMan

Logical thinking not your strong point, eh?

That’s OK. Your man Gingrich ain’t so good at it either.
Maybe you can point out the actual law to Newt, since he is applying for the job that requires him to enforce it:

8USC1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens
How Current is This? (a) Criminal penalties
(1)
(A) Any person who—
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)
(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).


145 posted on 11/26/2011 11:21:59 AM PST by oldbill
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To: sickoflibs; American Constitutionalist; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne

” sjb lives not far from the Mexico border in Arizona. He can testify how the wave of daily illegals are brightening up his area of the country “

If you mean by “ brightening up “ the 400,000 acres started by illegal trespassers, yes.....they certainly have.


146 posted on 11/26/2011 11:29:19 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: GeronL

Which Newt am I supposed to believe?


147 posted on 11/26/2011 11:34:18 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: TitansAFC
A $5000 penalty and then you receive (or have already received) tens of thousands of dollars worth of public benefits

Newt = Fail

148 posted on 11/26/2011 11:40:21 AM PST by turducken
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To: stephenjohnbanker; American Constitutionalist; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne
RE :”If you mean by “ brightening up “ the 400,000 acres started by illegal trespassers, yes.....they certainly have

That is ‘undocumented American immigrant worker’ Sir. We don't want to hurt any-ones feelings.

Remember the progressive motto : we all own everything in a democracy collectively, even those ‘undocumented’ own a fair share for being here. We all were undocumented immigrants coming here for food stamps once, especially the slaves.

149 posted on 11/26/2011 11:55:49 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs
RE: "Newt just says things without thinking them out."
I'm beginning to notice that to.
150 posted on 11/26/2011 12:15:38 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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