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Gingrich: Most illegal immigrants should leave, reapply to become citizens
MSNBC ^ | 11-25-2011 | Alex Moe

Posted on 11/25/2011 9:26:18 PM PST by TitansAFC

NAPLES, FL -- Presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich defended his immigration policy after days of criticism from other GOP contenders – reiterating that he does not support amnesty -- on Friday night before his largest crowd yet on the campaign trail.

"I am not for amnesty for anyone. I am not for a path to citizenship for anybody who got here illegally," Gingrich told the crowd of roughly 750 people, many of whom were forced to stand in the hallway...........

"I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply. I do not think anybody should be eligible for citizenship,".....

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; aliens; amnesty; amnewtsty; gingrich; illegal; immigration; laraza; maldef; newt; newtito; obama; openborders
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To: topfile

“A pardon? I suppose if you think a $5000 penalty is amnesty.”

$5000 is trivial to an illegal who just spent $5000 to a coyote to smuggle him across the border, or to someone who has been illegally working in the USA for 25 years and collecting tens of thousands of dollars in welfare, education, and medical benefits and cash.


51 posted on 11/25/2011 10:31:58 PM PST by oldbill
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To: TitansAFC
Let me help you clarify your message, Newt:
Gingrich: Most illegal immigrants should leave
52 posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:25 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Yup. As of now, there are 4 “serious” candidates, Romney, Perry, Gingrich, and Cain. Perry and Gingrich are current illegal lovers, and Romney was an illegal lover until he flip flopped which I don’t buy for one second. Cain is the only one consistently against the parasite invaders, and for that he has my vote.


53 posted on 11/25/2011 10:34:57 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: Cobra64
It's the liberal establishment Republicans who call us horrible names that start these things. Bush had to be a “compassionate” Conservative, implying most of us are not compassionate. Perry called us “heartless”, for wanting to save our nation from illegal immigration, and not giving them incentives to break our laws.

Now Gingrich called us true Conservatives, who are completely exhausted trying to get this problem resolved and taken serious, “inhumane” for wanting nothing more than our laws enforced. Why are so many supposed Conservatives constantly apologizing for us, insulting us, and acting like there is something wrong with our views?

They act like we are the violent neo-Nazi’s that ignorant liberals slander us with, and they feel they must apologize for our reasonable views for some ridiculous reason. We have nothing to apologize about for being Conservative, and we aren't going to be forced into ignoring such a serious problem as illegal immigration just because they use “filthy language”, that would make you think they were democrats, instead of members of our own party.

We want to stop illegal immigration from literally destroying our nation, and the stances we take are not lacking in compassion, heartless, or inhumane in anyway. We are sick of hearing that kind of slander against us by politicians who want our support. As soon as I hear a word like that it makes me sick, because it's just them attacking us “radical extremist” for wanting to save our nation, and not have politicians who act like puppets of the corrupt Mexican government judging us when they don't seem to have any morals to begin with. Gingrich is done for the same reasons Perry is done. We aren't supporting people who insult us with what are pretty serious allegations.

http://www.hermancain.com/

54 posted on 11/25/2011 10:48:20 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: DBrow

I do believe you are correct. Guess he wasn’t ready for the heat. The GOP seems stuck on stupid when it should be so simple.


55 posted on 11/25/2011 10:56:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: PAConservative1
Romney says what he thinks people want to hear, and he's correct that this is what people want to hear. It will get him some supporters, and I am a little perplexed as to why Herman Cain stopped campaigning on the issue. He doesn't have to say attention grabbing things like the electric fence "joke", which the media turned into the lie he wanted to kill all illegal immigrants, which isn't even close to what he said. But I do think he should talk about this issue in a serious manner, and I don't understand why he didn't start sooner. Hopefully he starts now, but I don't know what his campaign is thinking.

http://www.hermancain.com/

56 posted on 11/25/2011 10:59:10 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: oldbill
how can you deny 20 million plus residents the right to vote?

made citizens by that democrat president

I don't know ask Puerto Rico..he.he.. You can't vote unless you're a full citizen. That's fairly well understood the world over.

Why hasn't Obama granted them Citizenship already?

The real question is what’s the criteria for deportation and how do you handle those that can stay? Forcefully sending all 20 million men, women, and children back over the border won’t happen. If you think that, then tell me who is going to do it and exactly how.....really....? Don't forget a lot of those little ones are now American Citizens.

57 posted on 11/25/2011 11:01:50 PM PST by topfile
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To: oldbill
$5000 is trivial to an illegal

Newt also wants to shoot them in extremity of their choice. Not really.... but something tells me that wouldn't even be sufficient for you.

58 posted on 11/25/2011 11:06:29 PM PST by topfile
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To: bigbob
Wow...750 people. Realize that if Palin showed up unannounced in Podunk, IA she’d draw a crowd of 5,000 within an hour...

And you realize that Palin didn't get in the race, and that Palin's stance on illegal immigrants is EXACTLY the same as Newt's. I'm sure a smart fellow like you does indeed.
59 posted on 11/25/2011 11:07:25 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: TitansAFC
Very few understand the illegal's reason for being here and it ain't citizenship. They want the money earned to send back home which they do to the tune of billions each year. It's the second highest form of income for Mexico.

If citizenship were the goal, learning English would be a priority but it isn't. America is just a big cash-cow to the North. Of course, any benefits they can accrue while here is just more icing on the cake.

Think of it this way: if there were a place you could go and work for a number of years to acquire property back home in half the time or less than it would otherwise take, wouldn't you be interested? And, if you could sell drugs to the idiots and their children who refuse to hold your illegal presence accountable, imagine the wealth you could create for yourself and family back home.

Citizenship? For what, membership in the biggest Flea Market known to mankind? You'll know the Mexican who's interested in citizenship by their ability to speak English. From my experience, that isn't many.

Politicians need to get off this tangent and build a wall to prevent further invasion and it's consequences. The drain on state's economies is significant when the social costs of harboring illegals is combined with what they send back home. Mowing lawns and washing cars is only some of what they do. Bending over backwards to accommodate them is Gringo Stupid.

60 posted on 11/25/2011 11:10:24 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: Steelfish

Man its like I’m here but I’m not.

Folks, what have I been telling you about Newt since day one? He was before it before he was against it.


61 posted on 11/25/2011 11:14:36 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: topfile

Give it up. Your man Newt is going down from self-inflicted wounds.

Puerto Ricans are US citizens and can vote. But not inside Puerto Rico for a federal office because they are not a state. Try reading the Constitution. Puerto Ricans living in the 50 US states can vote to their hearts content. I guess you are considering a similar island enclave for the illegals so that they will not be able to vote as Newt says - Guam? Johnston Island?

And by the way, Obama will grant them amnesty and citizenship by executive order if he is reelected. He just can’t do it now because he is not going to stir up the 75% of the US population that says No to amnesty before an election.

And removal by attrition does work. Why do you think they are clearing out of Alabama etc. in large numbers.

Sorry, Newt’s history. Best you move on to other viable candidates.


62 posted on 11/25/2011 11:17:45 PM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill
And removal by attrition does work. Why do you think they are clearing out of Alabama etc. in large numbers.

Very good point.

63 posted on 11/25/2011 11:19:26 PM PST by thecodont
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To: topfile

What newt doesn’t get is that it’s impossible to give them permanent residence without a path to citizenship. Newt knows that once they have amnesty, they’ll be able to get citizenship.

5000 dollars would only work if they have to apply at the border to get in. Otherwise, it’s just amnesty.


64 posted on 11/25/2011 11:21:21 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: TitansAFC

“I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply. I do not think anybody should be eligible for citizenship,”.....

I’ll step out and say this: no one who tried to steal it first (enter the U.S. illegally) will try to buy it later (apply for citizenship).

People who seek to acquire U.S. citizenship love our country and will not try to break its laws.


65 posted on 11/25/2011 11:23:00 PM PST by thecodont
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To: TitansAFC
1. The vast majority of the illegal immigration problem is due to people who came here less than the 25 years that Newt talked about.

2. NONE of these candidates if President would search these people out and deport them. Period.
66 posted on 11/25/2011 11:25:43 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GeronL
These men have been here 25 years. Newt thinks they should be legal.


67 posted on 11/25/2011 11:28:06 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: TitansAFC
"I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply

WOW! What a genius! I am SO sure all those "otherwise law abiding" illegals that Newt admires so much will most certainly leave the nation immediately and re-apply the right way - they just needed someone smart like Newt to say PLEASE! (or is it Por Favor?) WHAT A GENIUS!

68 posted on 11/25/2011 11:34:00 PM PST by montag813
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To: Apollo5600

It’s called damage control pandering to get votes when he knows very well he stepped in it big time a few days ago.


69 posted on 11/26/2011 12:43:06 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: exit82

” Truly heartless. /s “ the Grinch that stole amnesty... Heartless... Sarcasm.


70 posted on 11/26/2011 12:46:00 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: org.whodat
" Two late newt we have your back flipping number, man talk about a liar. "

It's Toooooo Late to apologize, it's Toooooo Late..
71 posted on 11/26/2011 12:49:27 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: oldbill
" Get real on this “it’s not amnesty” kick. "

If Newt didn't say what Newt supporters say what he didn't say , why then ?
Why is he back tracking on his words ? or changing his words ? it's because he knew he stepped in it big time...

Once again ? If it's not amnesty ? why then is he back tracking on his words ?
72 posted on 11/26/2011 12:57:48 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Windflier
***I've known people like that. Too smart to have a lick of common sense, and they make up for their flip-flops by trying to bury you in words.***

Ain't that the truth.....:O)

73 posted on 11/26/2011 1:19:08 AM PST by goat granny
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To: South40
"These men have been here 25 years. Newt thinks they should be legal."

The reason they are so grouchy looking is Newt said they can't become citizens.

74 posted on 11/26/2011 1:24:09 AM PST by moehoward
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To: moehoward
The reason they are so grouchy looking is Newt said they can't become citizens.

Newt has not proposed citizenship. He has proposed 'legal status', which is the first step needed for citizenship.

'Lawful Permanent Residents' LPRs, also known as 'green card holders, who have been in the country a minimum of 5 years qualify and could apply for citizenship. ILLEGAL aliens cannot.

75 posted on 11/26/2011 1:29:20 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: goat granny
Hi GG!

Newt chooses his words carefully. He is doing it still. He is gambling that with conservatives not wanting Romney they will overlook his major baggage, amnesty proposal included, and vote for him.

No thanks. There are other candidates in this race.

76 posted on 11/26/2011 1:32:41 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: topfile
"You can't vote unless you're a full citizen."

Not true. Citizenship is not required in many areas of the US for LOCAL elections.

77 posted on 11/26/2011 1:37:03 AM PST by moehoward
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To: topfile

“A pardon? I suppose if you think a $5000 penalty is amnesty.”

That’s exactly what it is.

How about THIS approach: if you ever cross our border illegally, you are PERMANENTLY disbarred from ever seeking legal entry. Breaking our laws should be more severe than a penalty the next Administration will waive. It should be more than going to the back of the line.

It should be: no soup for you.

Yes, your so-called fine IS amnesty.


78 posted on 11/26/2011 1:44:05 AM PST by ziravan (You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be President. . . but it helps!)
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To: jessduntno
LOL! You left out the most important thing....

"At the same time we are controlling the border we should make it easier for honest people to visit America honestly."

That does not sound like "secure the border first" to me. That sounds like his Red Card would roll out "at the same time".

79 posted on 11/26/2011 1:51:38 AM PST by moehoward
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To: PAConservative1

“Cain is the only one consistently against the parasite invaders”

He just hasn’t answered the question yet. Not since this:

http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-061107.asp

where he mentioned a temporary worker program and a “reasonable program for the 12 million” already here.

Bachmann too, in the Reagan Library debate, acknowledged that this would be the way to go, rather than indiscriminate deportation of all.

Santorum: We can have that discussion later.

Cain’s no different. Read recent posts of mine (yesterday) or those of TitansAFC after the 11/22 debate for a deeper discussion of this.


80 posted on 11/26/2011 3:36:05 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky

Wow, that was back in 2007, before the financial meltdown. Has he called for a guest worker program since he started running for president under our new economic reality of chronic mass unemployment? Newt has embraced the Red Card plan that does just that. Kriebel clearly wants to re-open the cheap labor pipeline. Yeah, that will be a great selling point to the millions of unemployed and underemployed.


81 posted on 11/26/2011 4:34:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: DBrow
Another "illegal is illegal" "purist".

I'm willing to see how serious you are. Compile a list of every law you broke over the last 25 years, that you didn't get caught for (speeding/littering/anything else). Once done, turn yourself in to accept any fine or punishment associated with the broken law.

82 posted on 11/26/2011 4:34:59 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb
So you are equating littering with illegal entry into this country and all of the associated identity-theft crimes that stem from living and working here illegally.

Quite the sorry hill you have staked out to fight on.

83 posted on 11/26/2011 4:48:36 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Windflier
Chant that was directed at Newt when he was he in Naples, but none of the Newties claimed it was ever heard at his Town Hall Meeting:

“I'm a little teapot short and stout - pour me over and crap comes out”

I guess the little teapot can't take the heat....waiting for his temper to boil over at the next question on his Amnesty Plan.

84 posted on 11/26/2011 4:51:17 AM PST by not2worry
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To: topfile
The Puerto Ricans don't want citizenship!

They can have all the entitlements without the hassle.

Same with all those folks in the US Virgin Islands. However, at least in St. Thomas, St. Croix and St. John they enforce the immigration laws. You don't see any illegal Mexicans coming into the communites and staying there forever!

85 posted on 11/26/2011 4:55:46 AM PST by not2worry
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To: TitansAFC

Already tweaking his message to make it more palatable to the public.


86 posted on 11/26/2011 4:59:00 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dirtboy
So you are equating littering with illegal entry into this country and all of the associated identity-theft crimes that stem from living and working here illegally. Quite the sorry hill you have staked out to fight on.

Nope - just showing some who holler, "but they broke the law", as their fallback argument that they are hypocrites and will use any argument to keep from actually thinking about it. Since they call for "purity", they really ought to be willing to be as equally "pure", else their arguments are "Quite the sorry hill you they have staked out to fight on". "I'd wager some of self-same stone-throwers have broken some pretty big laws in their lifetime, without getting caught, and would never consider that they should pay the piper.

87 posted on 11/26/2011 5:03:38 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Apollo5600

All these politicians treat us like we’re stupid on this issue.
Wait,its a positive economic impact because they pay into SS and aren’t eligible! Uhhh that goes away when you make them citizens.
They keep the price of goods down! Ummm but we pay for free schooling,free medical,food aid and who knows what else. Two or three kids these families are getting 30-50k in education a year. Toss in everything else and tell me they keep prices down by 50-80k a year. You can hire an American citizen for half that difference more than the illegal was making and still be ahead of the game.


88 posted on 11/26/2011 5:05:04 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: trebb
Since they call for "purity",

First of all, the poster in question made no such comment - you just were itching to jump in with your latest contrived talking point.

And second, what you call purism is basic sense - the illegal immigration debate is littered with those who gave lip service to border security and enforcement while pushing for amnesty. So the skeptics are the ones acting in a reasonable manner - any talk of border security needs to be decoupled from talk of amnesty to be taken seriously.

Your purism schtick has been used to bash conservative positions from abortion to anti-gay-rights to gun rights and now this.

It has an even more sorry history than the amnesty shills.

89 posted on 11/26/2011 5:07:09 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TitansAFC

I think he needs to get experience. Maybe a stint on the border patrol.


90 posted on 11/26/2011 5:11:33 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen
You can hire an American citizen for half that difference more than the illegal was making and still be ahead of the game.

Yeah, but under the current system, the bill for those costs is shifted from the employer to the taxpayer, which is why those who employ illegals want a Red Card program to bring in even more cheap third-world labor.

Privatize profits, socialize costs. We see it with the financial bailouts and we see it in the amnesty debates. And both are driven by the unprincipled and the unscrupulous.

Despite what some claim, the solution to the illegal immigration problem is not complex. All it takes is removing bennies, enforcing existing laws and cracking down on those who hire illegals. Such actions would drive mass self-deportation. Just the possibility of a partial enactment of such a program at the state level in Alabama, Georgia and Arizona drove mass illegal emigration. Imagine if that kind of comprehensive reform was done nationwide.

But there is no power and influence to be gained in DC by taking steps to actually solve the problem. Which is why so few in DC are serious about taking such steps.

91 posted on 11/26/2011 5:13:07 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: trebb
"I'd wager some of self-same stone-throwers have broken some pretty big laws in their lifetime, without getting caught, and would never consider that they should pay the piper.

Pay your use tax religiously? Report as income all services, you receive. Loan someone 20 bucks. Did you report the imputed interest you received, even if you did not receive any. I'd bet your interlocutor needs some hard time in stoney lonesome for tax evasion if nothing else.

92 posted on 11/26/2011 5:15:30 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: South40
'Lawful Permanent Residents' LPRs, also known as 'green card holders, who have been in the country a minimum of 5 years qualify and could apply for citizenship. ILLEGAL aliens cannot.

Agreed. But their is more to this woeful line of thinking. If we were to give legal status to some 10 million illegals, the neo-communist organizers like La Raza and the CPUSA would have a party...and a sit-in...and an OccupyWhatever...and a riot...and another riot... Now, try and deport them! Talk about political agitation! They would not stop until their "rightful" place as citizens is gained. See the history of so-called refugees in Israel for reference.

93 posted on 11/26/2011 5:25:58 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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To: BunnySlippers

better get used to it. He’s gonna be ur repub. nominee.


94 posted on 11/26/2011 5:46:25 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: Jack Hydrazine

maybe u heard what u wanted to hear.


95 posted on 11/26/2011 5:50:17 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: Apollo5600

Even if he isn’t giving them citizenship, it’s still amnesty. He’s just playing with words here, treating us like we’re stupid.

***
He figures he can just keep talking and using big words and we’ll fall in line. Positively Obamanian.


97 posted on 11/26/2011 6:04:30 AM PST by Bigg Red (Maryland girl on the Cain Train)
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To: oldbill

Well said!


98 posted on 11/26/2011 6:11:32 AM PST by Bigg Red (Maryland girl on the Cain Train)
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To: dirtboy

Yes the costs are shifted from private to public in this mess which is why the only solution is to say hasta la vista to them.
I did in fact state that the issue is the cost of entertaining our illegal guests as opposed to the supposed benefits.


99 posted on 11/26/2011 6:13:21 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Bigg Red
" He figures he can just keep talking and using big words and we’ll fall in line. Positively Obamanian. "

The wheel of fortune, the government insiders revolving door amnesty.

He's not just using big words, but, tweaking as he goes along.
100 posted on 11/26/2011 6:15:30 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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