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Cain Surges to Retake National Lead
email from Herman Cain Campaign | November 26, 2011 | Herman Cain

Posted on 11/26/2011 8:08:26 AM PST by republicangel

Edited on 11/26/2011 10:02:42 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Dear Patriots and Supporters,

My family and I enjoyed a wonderful Thanksgiving together on Thursday. After spending so much time on the road recently, I was thankful for the time to spend with my wife, children, grandchildren and friends.

I hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving as well.

I am excited to share a recent Rasmussen (conducted November 21-22) which shows me retaking the lead nationally with 26 percent support. I am leading Governor Romney and Speaker Gingrich by 3 and 12 percent respectively.

The American people want a true conservative in the White House. They are tired of career politicians who are more concerned with getting reelected than fixing the problems that are plaguing our economy.

I have the solutions, and the American people are lining up to show their support.

[mod edit to remove campaign contribution solicitation]

I pray you and your family enjoyed a great Thanksgiving yesterday. We Americans have so much to be thankful for.

Thank you and God bless.

Sincerely,

Herman Cain

PS- We will be releasing an exciting new video series this Monday. I will be previewing the video this Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union. Be sure to check your local listings


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To: CajunConservative

Did Rasmussen, or did Rasmussen not conduct a poll November 21-22, showing Cain taking the lead?

If Rasumessen did, it’s newsworthy.

If you are challenging the veracity of that claim, then please say so.

Thank you in advance.


51 posted on 11/26/2011 10:21:37 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: CajunConservative
French whine...


52 posted on 11/26/2011 10:23:15 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CajunConservative

I don’t post much anyway. This sounded like news either way. Either it’s a bump in the polls or they don’t know how to read a poll. News either way.


53 posted on 11/26/2011 10:26:33 AM PST by republicangel
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To: All

Does anyone know when we are going to see the first fairly respected polls since Gingrich insulted all of us? I know it will be sometime next week before we start seeing the average from the most respected polls, but when will get some first glimpses of what the trend may be?

http://www.hermancain.com/


54 posted on 11/26/2011 10:30:34 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Rasmussen is one of the very most respected polls.

Bar none.


55 posted on 11/26/2011 10:33:12 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Just pointing out that another poster was admonished for putting a campaign press release in news. This is an email that was soliciting money. It’s not a news source. That is the only point I was making.

I don’t care if it’s posted or where it’s posted. I do call out double standards when I see it. ;)


56 posted on 11/26/2011 10:35:35 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: republicangel

I was pointing out to the mods that they got on another poster for posting a campaign press release as news. I really don’t care if it’s posted or not. I just think if one person gets admonished then it should be done across the board for all posts.


57 posted on 11/26/2011 10:38:26 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: republicangel; All

HEY THERE EVERYONE !

who I hear saying things like “has a chance”, “could be elected”, “electable”, “chance of winning”.

America has never worked that way. It’s just never been a part of a true American mindset.

George Washington did not take up the cause because he like the Colonies’ chances.

The defenders of the Alamo did not decide to fight because they liked their chances against the Mexican army.

Andrew Carnegie did not get up in the morning as a young man and bust his @ss because he liked his chances at founding U.S. Steel.

The most adventurous venture capitalist would never have bet on the Wright Brothers - seeing them in their printing business in the early 1890’s - designing and building the Wright Flyer I.

Compromise and mediocrity have brought America down, and will continue to do so until she turns away from them and again towards truth.

America can handle a leader like Obama who everyone knows is against her, since Congress is more responsive to the will of the people than he is. But when a Republican President is elected - it will be to actually restore America to truth. If that Republican President simply continues the corrupt “Fall-of-Rome” style politics that we have now - that will cause far more damage that Obama could in the White House with a completely disagreeable Congress.

Wake up, I just made some coffee - smell it ?


58 posted on 11/26/2011 10:38:51 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: CajunConservative

And I say it’s newsworthy.

If I post in breaking news that my toy poddle just ran outside. It’s one thing. Not big news.

If I post in breaking news that my toy poddle just ran out and was carted away by ET, that’s newsworthy.

Cain taking the lead in a Rasmussen national poll is big big big.

Not small, like that Mini commercial. BIG! Big big.

:)


59 posted on 11/26/2011 10:40:47 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
lifted your reference to the poll, in my response to TBBT who seemed to be saying it was a recycled old poll.

You saw your own reference in my post, which was intended to refute TBBT’s claim it was a dishonest old poll reference...


I understand the impulse to grasp at any glimmer of hope. But really...

You should go over to Real Clear Politics and take a look. What you'll find is that there is no national GOP primary Rasmussen poll dated "November 21-22". Why? because it doesn't exist. The last national GOP primary Rasmussen poll was released on 11/2.

You can go to the link in post #7 and find out how this confusion originated.

The facts are the facts. Attempts to "refute" them do not make them any less so. It only serves to debase the person engaging in the effort.

At best, the Cain camp should've known better - if they unwittingly put this out. At worst, knowingly using false polling data to gin up excitement - and by extension the willingness to donate - is disturbing...
60 posted on 11/26/2011 10:41:50 AM PST by TBBT
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To: Eddie01

PING


61 posted on 11/26/2011 10:42:50 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Here is a link to recent Rasmussen polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/older_content/home/top_stories/most_recent_articles

You won’t find anything like what Cain is reporting for Nov 21-23.

But, look at Nov 3:

“National Poll: Cain 26%, Romney 23%, Gingrich 14%”

That equals Cain 26%....Romney 3% behind and Gingrich 12% behind. Just like the email says.


62 posted on 11/26/2011 10:44:24 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: TBBT

You have a funny, quirky sense of humor when faced with your own candidate’s sure loss.

I like that. You’ve got spunk.

Did you perhaps, mention who your candidate is yet? Truth in advertising and all...


63 posted on 11/26/2011 10:45:20 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Every dog has it’s fleas!


64 posted on 11/26/2011 10:50:23 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: JoeDetweiler

To the best of my knowledge, Rasmussen does polls which aren’t immediately put on the web.

There’s the daily tracking polls, which are basic and regular. However Rasmussen is a business. The most detailed polls are not immediately given away free.

The email text referenced, seems say polling was done this week.

I’m prepared to believe Cain is surging. He stopped the leftwing smears in their tracks, once liberals Cain is a Republican who fights back.

I think Cains leading. And I think he’s going to win.

Both elections. Primary, and the White House.

I especially hope, he convinces Palin to run on his ticket.

This time around, she’ll be VP.

Without all the Alinky mudslinging which goes with the Presidency.


65 posted on 11/26/2011 10:50:48 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Continue to delude yourself - if that’s the kind of thing that you get off on. The facts remain...

As far as candidates are concerned - my view of the whole lot is and has been that they are all a huge “crap sandwich.”

My view - is that at the end of the day, this is going to be a contest between Romney and a Not-Romney candidate. Currently, the last best chance of a viable Not-Romney appears to be Newt. If Newt falters, then most likely it will be Romney. The other candidates are most likely not going to be resurrected. That’s my view...


66 posted on 11/26/2011 10:52:51 AM PST by TBBT
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes the poll was conducted on Nov 21st.


67 posted on 11/26/2011 10:53:54 AM PST by loucon
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To: tflabo

Gingrich as vP.? That would be inviting the fox into the henhouse! He is the establishment which has brought America down. Why would we ant him anywhere near the president? I used to think maybe Chief of Staffl but I have definitely changed my mind. Newt belongs in his think tank. Let’s leave him there!


68 posted on 11/26/2011 10:54:50 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No, I did not.


69 posted on 11/26/2011 10:56:33 AM PST by loucon
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To: loucon

Ok, to clarify, the PAC poll was conducted on Nov. 21. I don’t know when the other poll was conducted.


70 posted on 11/26/2011 11:04:13 AM PST by loucon
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To: TBBT

Herman Cain does not stoop to lies. Liars never prosper! The likes of the Left do that in spades, and only the great unwashed masses buy them.


71 posted on 11/26/2011 11:06:59 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
To the best of my knowledge, Rasmussen does polls which aren’t immediately put on the web.

First, you really need to go back and read the link in post #7.

Secondly, you should visit Real Clear Politics and check out the President Obama vs. Republican Candidates Polling. There you will find the actual Rasmussen poll that was conducted on 11/21 - 11/22.

So no, this is not a matter of a delayed release of a Rasmussen poll. If a Rasmussen national GOP primary poll - conducted 11/21-11/22 - actually existed, it would already be up at RCP.
72 posted on 11/26/2011 11:10:25 AM PST by TBBT
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You are missing the point I’m making. I don’t care if it’s posted or not. If one poster gets fussed at by the mods for posting a linked and sourced press release as not being news then unsourced emails asking for money should also be admonished.

If a campaign email asking for funds is newsworthy then a press release from a candidate laying out the reasons why he disagrees with something 0bama does is also newsworthy. If the mods say it’s not then move it to chat or bloggers.


73 posted on 11/26/2011 11:24:24 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: CajunConservative

Actually I got your point.

I hold another view.

Nice thing we have free speech here. :)


74 posted on 11/26/2011 11:27:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: napscoordinator

Yesterday an armed robber was shot 10 times in the head and chest. ...and now this! Great news!


75 posted on 11/26/2011 11:29:48 AM PST by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Nice thing we have free speech here. :)

That's the point. There isn't really free speech if the mods are not fair in how they moderate posts.

76 posted on 11/26/2011 11:35:13 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: 2007 Crusader

By that thinking donating to any candidate would be a waste of money because no one knows who the winner will be and there can only be one. Besides it’s NOT your money so why should you give a flying rip? And what is the point of coming on this thread to make a comment like that? In what way does it advance the conversation? How is it relevant to the topic which is about a poll, NOT who sends money to what candidate. One of the reasons the caliber of conversation has disintegrated around here is because people go on threads in which the don’t have a legitimate interest and make some smug comment. You might give that some thought next time.

Cindie


77 posted on 11/26/2011 12:00:06 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: TBBT

It’s truly amazing that you come on to nearly every thread of a candidate you believe has no way of winning and denigrate those who do support him. If he can’t win why bother? It’s truly a waste of everyone’s time and adds nothing to advance any conversation. It’s truly disheartening that the level of conversation has disintegrated as much as it has and it’s completely unnecessary.

Cindie


78 posted on 11/26/2011 12:16:05 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: gardencatz
It’s truly amazing that you come on to nearly every thread of a candidate you believe has no way of winning and denigrate those who do support him.

Denigrate? How? By pointing out the facts? Would it be better to let folks build false hopes on misinformation? Personally, I'm all for getting excited, but I would rather that excitement be based on something real.
79 posted on 11/26/2011 12:24:16 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

If it turns out to be false so be it. Look at your posting history on Cain threads. It hardly matters what the subject is, if it’s about Cain you post negative, often snarky posts. The fact is you ARE condescending. Look at your tone. And to my knowledge Cain isn’t the only candidate who could possibly win the nomination so there are plenty of people building up “false hope”. If you look at people’s response you aren’t turning on any light bulbs. Why don’t you just save it. Maybe you can come gloat if your prediction comes true. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if you weren’t constantly going on Cain threads and doing crap like this. It’s become a pattern.

Cindie


80 posted on 11/26/2011 12:32:17 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: TBBT

You’re for Newt. Quit lying.


81 posted on 11/26/2011 1:14:39 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain

Who’s lying... As I see it, Newt’s the last, best, chance at stopping Romney. I’ve made that point clear many times. I’ve been critical of all the candidates - to include Newt. Yes, I’ve been critical of Cain and in each instance it was well deserved. I’ll stop being critical of Cain when he stops giving me reason to be.


82 posted on 11/26/2011 2:27:43 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

-—”I am excited to share a recent Rasmussen (conducted November 21-22) which shows me retaking the lead nationally with 26 percent support. I am leading Governor Romney and Speaker Gingrich by 3 and 12 percent respectively”-—

It was actually from Nov. 3rd.

Written by Herman Cain himself, eh?

Wow. Yet ANOTHER ridiculous error on Herman Cain’s end. Poor research, bad information, and he send sit out himself.

Just wow! I mean, did he really do this? Wow.


83 posted on 11/26/2011 3:04:43 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: TitansAFC
That was my first reaction as well...

I also note in a previous post:

At best, the Cain camp should've known better - if they unwittingly put this out. At worst, knowingly using false polling data to gin up excitement - and by extension the willingness to donate - is disturbing...


84 posted on 11/26/2011 3:19:43 PM PST by TBBT
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To: JoeDetweiler

I have not seen any new polls for the last week or so. What happened, they used come out every other day.


85 posted on 11/26/2011 3:28:58 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes

Short week. Holiday’s. Probably not a prime polling opportunity.


86 posted on 11/26/2011 3:30:58 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TitansAFC

Evidently, there has been a few websites that have put this information out and Herman’s campaign thought it was real.

So what! Remember when CNN said that Bush died overseas.

Give Herman a break. It’s no big deal. I hope he has a big surge!


87 posted on 11/26/2011 3:41:23 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: 2007 Crusader
Donating to Cain is a total waste of your money.

2007 Crusader (2007 Crusader)

Having your tagline be the same as your screen name is a total waste of your tagline.

88 posted on 11/26/2011 3:58:13 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: republicangel

I’m donating to Herman Cain no matter what.

https://supporthermancain.com/


89 posted on 11/26/2011 4:10:37 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Pointing out that the info is maybe a tad dated isn't the same as running the guy down, saying he's not a conservative, would be a bad president etc.

For the record, Cain is a conservative and would probably make a good president.

90 posted on 11/26/2011 4:16:22 PM PST by Tribune7 (Perry, Newt, Cain or Santorum)
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To: FR_addict

This once again illustrates one of Cain’s major flaws — his repeated tendency to react to bad information before checking it out.

When you are President, you can’t go off half-cocked based on incomplete information. Imagine Cain as President, and he gets a report that Pakistan just took out a platoon of our troops. He reacts as he does here, going off and launching a counter-strike, only to find out that the initial intelligence was wrong, and that no attack occured.

“Oops” isn’t going to cut it. Wars have been started by leaders who couldn’t wait for all the information.

This particular error by Cain is not serious in and of itself. But the pattern is clear.


91 posted on 11/26/2011 7:31:47 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: republicangel
As we all know now, this e-mail was based on erroneous information, and refers to a poll from November 2nd.

The origin of the error comes here: Newsmax: Rasmussen: Obama Leads...

It appears someone at Newsmax left a paragraph sitting around in their story, refering to the old poll. The last paragraph reads:

Among likely GOP primary voters nationwide, Romney is just behind businessman Herman Cain with 23 percent support; Cain earns 26 percent of the vote and Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is in third with 14 percent support. Romney runs best in New Hampshire – where he picks up a commanding 41 percent of the vote -- but falls short of Cain in Iowa, South Carolina and Florida.

So it appears that the Cain campaign has NOT subscribed to Rasmussen's feed (if they did, they'd get their information directly), and instead of checking with Rasmussen, they reacted to a Newsmax story.

I love Newsmax -- but I will tell you that I wouldn't generally count on it directly. Go to the source material. I wouldn't make this mistake in my local opinion column. College students are taught to go to original sources. But sending out a donation e-mail using faulty information is a pretty rookie mistake.

92 posted on 11/26/2011 7:36:51 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: gardencatz
" Besides it’s NOT your money so why should you give a flying rip "

Because they want you to give money to their candidate and they are so sure that their candidate is going to win.
93 posted on 11/26/2011 8:01:35 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Who is this mysterious “they”? I will choose what candidate to support & when and how much I will contribute. If I give it’s because I’ve studied the candidates and chosen the one I can support. It’s none of your business. None.

Cindie


94 posted on 11/26/2011 8:54:43 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: tflabo

Cain/Gingrich works for me.

Then we have a steady core conservative at helm, with a congressional expert to help move the legislation.


95 posted on 11/26/2011 11:52:54 PM PST by federal__reserve (Only Herman Cain could break up Barack's 95% black voting block down to 75-80%.)
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