Posted on 11/26/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
We're being manipulated, because we expect perfection, and the Washington insiders know that. Our most conservative candidates will be taken out one at a time - by us - because they're using our own litmus tests against us.
In the end, right before election day, Romney will be on top, and the Republican base will vote for him. The rest will have been taken out because of too many "flaws."
It'll be our own fault for being so stupid!
Newt is a nything but conservative. In recent years he has acted like a darn liberal.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Newt was a member, an influential member, of the 86 congress that PROMISED a one time and one time only amnesty coupled with a secure boarder and enforcement of our immigration/work laws? How did that work out for us? Now he wants some kind of new amnesty with somekind of new type of resident? Lol, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
He knew better then to open his can of worms, he knows the country, at least the GOP part of it, wants our laws enforced, period. I can not for the live of me understand why he decided to make this an issue, but he did and now he finished as a conservative candidate.
Have read Newt’s policy on illegals on his site. He never said a word about amnesty and his proposal is not amnesty. On the other hand..have never heard or read Cain’s ideas on deportation. There are major expenses involved and Newt’s honest enough to say exactly what needs to be done. Newt said NO amnesty, No citizenship ..they have to go to the back of the line, pay fines and undergo criminal background checks. On securing the border...all candidates are pretty much in accord with Paul being the exception. On deportation..I would bet most are in accord but dont have the guts to say so....on the costs of deporting...How Much Does it Cost to Deport 392,000 People?
By Elise Foley
Thursday, October 07, 2010 at 4:08 pm
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Roughly $9.2 billion, according to figures from a March report on the per-immigrant cost of each step of the removal process. The numbers are estimates, of course, but it is still useful to illustrate the high costs behind the record number of deportations the DHS announced yesterday.
There are a number of costs involved in the removal process. First, illegal immigrants must be apprehended, which requires local law enforcement, Border Patrol and a number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement programs and offices. Next, they must be detained, and then processed through the legal system. Finally, illegal immigrants must be transported back to their native countries. Here are the per-person costs listed in the Center for American Progress report released in March:
Apprehension: $18,310
Detention: $3,355
Legal processing: $817
Transportation: $1,000
In total, that’s $23,480 for each of the 392,000 people the U.S. removed last year, or $9,204,944,000.
Of course, many of those deported were convicted criminals, meaning they would have had imposed high costs had they remained in the country. While numbers vary from state to state, on average it costs at least $60 per day (or $1,800 per month) to incarcerate prisoners.
She did say something about an "unconventional campaign", didn't she? These are revolutionary times, and we may well be at the point where something truly unconventional occurs in an election year.
The thought of a third party scares me, but if it rises and becomes a juggernaut, we'll all have to give the concept a serious second look. Especially if Palin becomes the first Tea Party nominee.
Wild stuff to contemplate, but we're living in wild times.
Agreed. Cain, Bachman or Santorum are only acceptable candidates
Yeah, I can forgive that, but his temperament is a problem for me. He just seems like he is not presidential at all. Plus no executive experience is a big minus.
What EXACTLY is their plan to deal with the 12 million or so illegal aliens, most of whom have children who are American Citizens?
At least Gingrich has a plan.
It may never be passed by congress, but at least he has gone out on a limb and made a proposal for dealing with the problem. That's more than I can say about Cain, Bachmann or Santorum.
Bottom Line on Krieble Plan
The Krieble Plan DOES put illegals into the head of the line in that they get to live here as citizens (except not vote), work here, enjoy our benefits, have kids here, while others that didn’t sneak over are still stuck in Haiti, Sudan, and other countries. Seems like a HUGE REWARD for sneaking in...
Here’s the exact quote, starting at the very last sentence of Page 27:
“The “Red Card” would provide no path to citizenship or to permanent resident status at all. In accordance with the
founding American principle of equal opportunity under the law, anyone in the world can apply to be a U.S. citizen,
whether they are here as guest workers or not.”
http://krieble.org/Websites/krieble/Images/files/Red%20Card%20Solution%20White%20Paper.pdf
(I think that I’ll keep posting this every time that the Newt Girls try to defend him)
Far be it from me to dispute your numbers (”there is more like 25-30 million illegals then there is 11 million”). I use the 12 million figure because that’s what the candidates have used most. Personally I have no idea what the number is.
If you think Newt is finished as a conservative candidate, I hope you are happy with whomever you perceive to be the last man standing.
It’s most likely to be Mitt Romney.
You are lying. Newt has specifically advocated for “limited amnesty”.
Amnesty sure is there. Limited would be subject to court and gov good will.
You are lying. Newt has specifically advocated for “limited amnesty”.
Amnesty sure is there. Limited would be subject to court and gov good will.
Cripplecreek...you nailed it.
First - there is no such thing as a ‘law biding’ illegal. If they broke the law to come here they are NOT law biding.
I would love to see evidence of that. I have, however, seen evidence of the opposite. Though I reservations about whether the source is completely objective.
http://www.workingimmigrants.com/2006/04/illegal_immigrants_want_to_sta.html
See Jim Rob's post at #24. There's your real conservative solution.
Newt's plan is yet another big government, bureacratic, do nothing, lickandapromise scheme, that won't do a damn thing to correct the real problem.
Newt's brain has been absorbed by the DC collective now. He isn't even capable of thinking like an American any more.
I was supporting Newt, so now I am finished with the GOP presidential primaries this cycle. Newt was the only one I deemed worthy of support but then he just had to go and propose amnesty for the illegals. That is just a bridge to far for me. Popcorn time here, maybe a third party will gets it act together but right now it looks like 2008 all over again.
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