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To: ransomnote
And you are posting this on a thread displaying a map showing the entire nation of Japan coated with radiation?

The entire world is coated with radiation. It comes from the sun, it comes from outer space, or it occurs naturally in the planet. The difference is the matter of degree. The amount on the map is not some huge cancer-causing spike. Japan is not suddenly going to break out in lesions and have people wither away from radiation poisoning, nor will their long-term cancer rate increase.

You lack perspective, primarily because you know little or nothing of the topic, and thus you’re forced to phrase your protests in the form of questions. You don’t know, therefore it’s Wrong And Must Be Banned™.
23 posted on 11/26/2011 5:58:52 PM PST by Terpfen (Any candidate is better than Obama. Any.)
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To: Terpfen

Terpfen: The entire world is coated with radiation. It comes from the sun.....

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ransomnote: I remember Saturday Night Live doing a skit about nuclear engineers (Dan Akroyd) trying to downplay a meltdown by insisting reporters covering the disaster report the amount of radiation released as ‘sunshine units’. The audience howled with laughter at this pathetic attempt to portray incompetence on the part of the nuclear power industry as resulting in the release of something natural like ‘sunshine units’. Didn’t really stop you did it? Now you know that sunshine includes energy in the form of gamma radiation. This radiation causes skin cancer so we try to reduce the amount of harmful radiation from the sun that we are exposed to while still benefiting from the other energy present in sunlight. How does this have anything to do with TEPCO’s reactors blowing radioactive isotopes, not just the energy from the isotopes, all over the country where they will be exposing the populace to released energy, be consumed where the isotopes can do greater damage to tissues 24/7 (unlike sunlight) and be inhaled where they can damage lungs (unlike sunlight)? I don’t think you have a sufficient background in science to understand why your attempts to compare the fukushima contaminants to radiation from the sun or outer space - either way you look bad because you are either under qualified to understand the mechanics or you know exactly why your comparison is deceptive and pathetic and you are hoping the rest of us don’t.

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Terpen: The amount on the map is not some huge cancer-causing spike. Japan is not suddenly going to break out in lesions and have people wither away from radiation poisoning, nor will their long-term cancer rate increase.

ransomnote: You haven’t impressed me with your scientific knowledge so I’ll continue to rely upon the National Academy of Sciences BEIR VII report which indicates that there is no safe threshold below which exposure to radiation is safe. I’ll also rely upon the results of the nuke industry’s last large scale catastrophe prior to Fukushima - that’s right, I am talking about Chernobyl. That disaster is not over - countless people continue to suffer countless dibilitating or lethal effects from the disaster - there are other health impacts aside from only cancer and leukemia to consider. Here’s a comprehensive report compiled by scientists pushing back against pro nuke organizations like the IAEA who were trying to downplay the effects of Chernobyl:
http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf

Here’s a wiki page about the report itself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl:_Consequences_of_the_Catastrophe_for_People_and_the_Environment

So I don’t need to reference your lies or ignorance when you opine that there won’t be spikes in cancer in Japan and that natural sources of radiant energy like the sun only differ in degree from the widespread dissemination of radioactive isotopes in Japan - those same isotopes which have been documented damaging and continuing to damage the victims of Chernobyl. No, instead I can reference valid scientific research that tells me the nuke industry is responsible for damaging countless generations of innocent people.

Your behavior illustrates why I now have no hope that the nuke industry will ever correct the weaknesses in its organization - it doesn’t care and it doesn’t want to. I’ve seen nuke pimps insist NOT ONE PERSON DIED FROM CHERNOBYL. This is a lie of epic proportions but it encapsulates the philosophy of losers like you: Never admit, never accept responsibility - always assume the public are child like and easily driven. Just as the IAEA and other pro nuke organizations and individuals have invested their lives in distorting the truth about Chernobyl, so are these same players already hard at work trying to deny Fukushima even exists. There’s an almost complete media black out on the fact that Fukushima’s molten reactor fuel has escaped containment, no one knows how to contain it as it’s never been done before, it continues to pump radioactive contaminants into the air around the clock for the foreseeable future. The public is just now beginning to learn the extent of the lies TEPCO and the government facilitators have been telling the public. No wonder nuke pimps want to screech ‘nothing to see here! move along!’

What’s new to me - something I didn’t believe I’d see - is bloodless nuke pimps showing up and posting their trash on a thread that had to be painful news for people directly affected by all this. Why couldn’t you save your trash for other threads? Why did you have to come here where some people’s hearts will break to see the map showing the long lasting damage. You just couldn’t leave them in peace, could you?


31 posted on 11/26/2011 9:39:24 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: Terpfen

Say, did you even read this part of the article?

“Before the March 11 Great East Japan Earthquake, radioactive substance were barely detectable in most areas.”

Substance....not radiation from sunlight. If you are well grounded enough to discuss radiation then you were intentionally being deceptive.


32 posted on 11/26/2011 9:41:14 PM PST by ransomnote
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