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To: chris37
1) What the hell is "Contract on America"? I recall the Contract with America, which brought prosperity to millions of Americans. Clinton attempted to take credit for the economic gains brought about through that contract.

2) What "destroyed" Gingrich was the liberal media's pushing down the throat of Americans the story about Gingrich's divorce and subsequent remarriage. There were also allogations of malfeasance while in office. Nothing was ever proved. Though, with liberals, the charges are always sufficient when a Republican is involved.

3) Photos exist of Reagan with prominant democrats and other loons (R-U-N Paul being one of them). A photo of Newt with Pelousi means what exactly?

4) From what I understand, Newt's position on global climate change is that Conservatives have better ideas on balanced measures to address pollution which do not destroy jobs. I see no problem with this. Pollution is a problem. Clean air and water are good things to have, no?

5) Provide specifics on just how Newt stuck a knife in your back.

For what it is worth, if Cain is hiding a sordid past, which is coming out anyway, then Cain, as your candidate, has stuck a knife in your back much more so than anything Newt's ever done to you. Are you so stuck on Cain that you'd be willing to forgo getting rid of Obozo because Cain is forced to drop out? This election is the GOP's to win or lose. The GOP will win or lose this election based upon what we, the electorate, do in November 2012. If we (meaning people like you) decide to take our toys home in a huff because our candidate didn't finish first, then, Obozo and the liberals will win. If we vote for the candidate who wins the nomination, whether that person is the "perfect" candidate or not (which, by the way, doesn't exist), then Obozo and the liberals will lose. The question is which side are you actually on? Obozo and the liberals?

426 posted on 11/29/2011 11:38:25 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

Super duper soldier dad;) A mother-lode of logic.

I think I can stop making comments now - you take it from here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


442 posted on 11/29/2011 11:53:20 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newter the Democrats - top to bottom.)
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To: SoldierDad
For what it is worth, if Cain is hiding a sordid past, which is coming out anyway, then Cain, as your candidate, has stuck a knife in your back much more so than anything
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If Cain had a sullied past, the media would have ignored it until **after** he was nominated. Then one week before the election, all this would have spilled out.

The media is trying to manipulate who will be on the Republican ticket. The Marxist media wants Romney to be the candidate because they know Obama can beat him.

The very minute Romney gets the nomination **then** ( not now) will be all the stories on blacks not being given the priesthood, every nutty think any Mormon prophet had to say, and exhumed polygamous relatives. Four days before the election, a few excommunicated Mormons will testify that they witnessed baby sacrifice in the Mormon temples.

Bet on it!

470 posted on 11/29/2011 12:12:37 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: SoldierDad

1) Contract on America was the simple chnage made to Contract With America to undermine the plan, and it worked.

2)That may have been part of it, but it was the constant droning of Contract on America that ended that congressional majority led by Newt.

3)It wasn’t a photo, it was a commerical in which I was lectured by him for the need of a government solution to an obvious hoax.

4)I’ve been breathing the same air for 40 years, and I’m fine, just like everyone else is fine.

5) Not Newt, the GOP and republicans in general are routine backstabbers. Not good foxhole partner material, not even a little bit. As soon as the left starts firing at me, I can expect my republican foxhole partner to bayonet me, then look for approval and position from the left...

6)If Cain did lie, then I’ll be sad, because my support for him is based upon his honesty that I perceive. However, people do lie, so will have to wait and see. My problem is no one from our side backed him up at all, as usual, which makes me not want to back them up at all. I am I’m going to tell you straight up right now that I ****ing despise the GOP, so yeah, supporting them is tough for me.

I will tell you this, soldierdad. I shared my thoughts and feelings of today here, and I’m pretty damn pissed off and probably need to chill a bit, BUT, there is a slim chance Newt could convince me to vote for him, that remains to be seen, however, I don’t think there is any chance I could support Romney. but when it comes down to that fateful day...who knows -_-;

I’m damn tired of seeing our candidates politically aassassinated and not backed up by our party, DAMN TIRED. If Herman in fact destroyed himself by doing these things, then that’s another story, but so far I have seen zero proof or evidence of such.


477 posted on 11/29/2011 12:17:43 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SoldierDad
I have been scanning the posts since I saw this thread late so I haven't kept track of all of the back and fourths, but this line jumped out at me:

For what it is worth, if Cain is hiding a sordid past, which is coming out anyway, then Cain, as your candidate, has stuck a knife in your back much more so than anything Newt's ever done to you.

As a Cain supporter, I could not agree with you more (if the allegations turn out to be true). Alas, it would not be the first time a politician threw it all away.

But I am not going to throw him under the bus, I will stand with him because I believe he is being slandered. He can throw himself under the bus if the allegations are true.

Right now it is too easy to destroy ANY of our candidates with only accusations. If Cain goes, another target will be selected by the libs. We better be prepared for the next attack, true or untrue.

478 posted on 11/29/2011 12:18:10 PM PST by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: SoldierDad
nice reasonable post

but about 75% here...in this time window

think Newt is a liberal

a guy with a 94 ACU and 100% right to life and a history of many important and monumental actions and at the time conservative proactive ...before Newt it was Magnus mainly alone in the executive branch

Cain was their pick after Sarah for reasons I find questionable in some case...his skin color for one...and they are now very angry he's imploding.

They would hate anyone stealing his thunder.

hell, they crucified Bachmann when she was stealing Palin’s when Sarah was not even in the race yet...they simply feared she might erode Sarah's entry...which never happened

some for these critters are just fangy people...they will bite at the slightest provocation

I hold Magnus, Rush and Newt as the 3 biggest voices in conservatism since Buckley and Barry...I woulda added Sarah but she stayed home

573 posted on 11/29/2011 3:37:02 PM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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