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Posted on 11/29/2011 7:32:32 PM PST by Hojczyk
A newly released memo revealed that President Roosevelt was warned that Tokyo was focused on Hawaii days before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Washington Whispers reported:
Three days before the Dec. 7, 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt was warned in a memo from naval intelligence that Tokyo’s military and spy network was focused on Hawaii, a new and eerie reminder of FDR’s failure to act on a basket load of tips that war was near.
In the newly revealed 20-page memo from FDR’s declassified FBI file, the Office of Naval Intelligence on December 4 warned, “In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii.”
The memo, published in the new book December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World went on to say that the Japanese were collecting “detailed technical information” that would be specifically used by its navy. To collect and analyze information, they were building a network of spies through their U.S. embassies and consulates.
Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just released December 1941, doesn’t blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it “does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle” that the administration missed.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
Every year just before December 7th these heretofore undiscovered memos seem to surface ... must be a great supply of these heretofore undiscovered memos hidden somewhere. ;-)
1941
Wednesday
November 26th
The Japanese naval fleet leaves home port and heads to Hawaii.
You tell the Japanese that you know their fleet is at sea, ready to attack. You position our ships out at sea to intercept the Japanese fleet. You transfer B-17s to MIdway to strike at the Japs..You tell them all this is happening..they withdraw...do we then declare war? nope..
Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor Robert Stinnett (Author)
War was coming, Pearl Harbor or no Pearl Harbor. The Japanese occupation of French Indo-China, which posed a direct threat to the Phillipines guaranteed that.
Go to the World War II plus 70 years thread on here on FR. By the end of November 1941 it is clear just from publicly available news stories, that war is inevitable. The question is simply when. Japan was not going to withdrawl from French Indo-China and the US, British and Dutch would not end the oil embargo unless they did so. The US Army was trying to get as many reenforcements to the Phillipines as it could, but was running out of time.
FDR did not need or want Pearl Harbor, what he wanted was three to six more months to get our Pacific defenses in shape.
The Japanese didn’t give it.
Those files will have long since been burnt up as firestarter for campfires.
You are right it will take a long time, but maybe not 70 years. It took about 35-40 years for the biggest dirt on JFK to start to be released, the sexual addiction, the constant pill-popping. I think Obama will be less useful to the Left in a shorter time, and once no one cares any longer, the truth will drip out.
Hell, we may even find out the names of some of his gay lovers, arrests for drugs, membership in some pretty freaky organizations, and how many classes he actually flunked in college.
Your comments about the battleships being sunk at sea is interesting as some military historians said that their being sunk at Pearl Harbor was a blessing in disguise. It gave us a chance, behind the cover of the tragedy, to rebuild our fleet in secret, while the aircraft carriers carried the war to the Japanese fleets (an unthought of offensive tactic in the early 1940’s).
Also, we were able to get the fleet out into the Pacific undetected because the Japanese thought that the fleet was beyond repair and that any new construction would take years.
Historians noted that if the original fleet had been saved at Pearl, they would have had to go throw the Japanese submarine fleet, literally from Hawaii to the Philippines/Leyte Gulf, Midway, the Marianas, etc., taking heavy losses along the way to the point that they may not have remained an effective fighting force. There is a book on the Japanese fleet entitled “SUNK”.
As it was, the newer battleships never got into a one-on-one encounter with the main Japanese battleships and cruisers. It was the older, often WW1 battleships/cruisers who dealt the Japanese heavy ships a major defeat somewhere in/near the Philippines.
History is more complicated than one thinks which is why it is so fascinating to work on.
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I had an old book (1934) that explained how they would attack. It just didn’t say when.
IIRC, the war warnings to hort and Kimmel arrived late..after the attack. But of much greater import, the Ultra messages..we’d cracked the Japanese Naval Code, which warned of the preparations for war, and the attack plans..were NOT disseminated to Short and Kimmel, nor other area commanders....i.e. the Phillipines, because of fear that the Japanese would realzie that we had broken their code...the Japanese believed that it was impossible fr us to crack a code that was based on the original underlying Japanese ideographs in the message..
The Japanese were going to attack Hawaii come hell or high water. It was only one part of a coordinated series of air strikes and invasions also hitting Malaya, the Phillipines, the Dutch East Indies, Guam, and Wake all within a 12 hour time frame.
Also we did not have the forces to attack Kido Butai available in Hawaii at the time. Nor did we have enough search aircraft available. What we did have were enough fighters (P-40s and P-36s) to severely maul the attack waves as they came in.
But since there was no air warning system set up by the commander of the Hawaiian Department they were useless.
IMHO FDR kknew of the pending attack, that’s why the aircraft carriers were moved out to sea and everything else was left behind.....
The little fascist wanted us in a war to save socialism.
Japan did not have the resources to attack the West Coast or the Canal Zone. But spies there would be needed to track troop movements and shipping.
The principle Japanese target and headache for the US is the Phillipines, thousands of miles from the US and cut off by the Japanese controlled islands in the Central Pacific.
Kind of like 9-11. All the signs were there. They said as much too, (that they, (AQ) would attack us).
Our government is warned about threats all the time. A warning does not mean they can stop all attacks nor that all warnings are measured as most likely to happen in the scheme of national defense.
I’d be surprised if the US was not aware that Japan would hit us if they could.
“Troofers” use kind of nonsense against Bush claiming that since he had a warning mooselimbs might attack, “Cheney knew” and actually did the attack himself. Kooks do the same nonsense against Roosevelt. They take a fact and stretch it into a big politically motivated story.
War was coming to the Pacific, of that there is no question. Twenty-twenty hindsight and second guessing still have failed to pin actionable and confirmed knowledge of the coming attack on Pearl harbor on FDR. The hard cold fact is that we simply were not prepared mentally to go to war. We had totally underestimated the ability of the Japanese Navy to mount an attack of this magnitude, not unlike our inability to predict that 19 Islamic terrorists would fly commercial airliners into large buildings.
No, FDR would have more to gain from an ambush. Not to mention that those battleships were sorely missed during the Guadalcanal campaign.
As I said in a previous post, what FDR really needed in December 1941 was time, which he did not have.
Neither the US Army or US Navy were ready for war in late 1941. We had the men, but not the equipment. It was coming, but not fast enough.
This has been known for years. I’ve heard my dear dad say this ever since I can remember - FDR knew this was coming and wanted us to go to war to lift the economy (and thus look good himself).
FDR was another vile president in the mold of Wilson and Obama.
FDR was dealing with a bunch of Ron Paul types back then (i.e., the entire Republican Party and much of the Democrat party). If he didn’t let Pearl Harbor get whacked, we’d be speaking German today.
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