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Tear-jerking moment lab beagles see sunlight for the first time as they are released from cages
Daily Mail ^ | 11/30/11 | Wil Longbottom

Posted on 11/30/2011 9:19:51 AM PST by Nachum

This is the heart-breaking moment male beagles kept in captivity inside a laboratory were released from their cages for the first time.

Scared and visibly unsure of leaving the confines of their cages, the dogs were among many being used for lab testing in Spain before it went out of business.

A total of 72 beagles were rescued by members of Animal Rescue Media Education (ARME) during the operation - most of whom had never been outside their cages.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beagles; cages; lab; tearjerking
Vids at link...

For the dog lovers among us.

1 posted on 11/30/2011 9:19:54 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Ugh, I don’t know if I can watch.

I love beagles. :(


2 posted on 11/30/2011 9:21:43 AM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: Nachum

Count me amongst them

So much so I really don’t want to read this or view pics/video.


3 posted on 11/30/2011 9:21:52 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (There's nothing more hypocritical than a white liberal calling someone else a "bigot")
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I saw this yesterday. I really liked the pictures and video. Initially, the dogs look very timid, but it’s heartwarming to see how quickly they adjust to a good home and freedom.


4 posted on 11/30/2011 9:29:06 AM PST by Essie
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To: Nachum
These dogs know no other life and, like most beagles, are very good natured and happy little guys.

The people who work with these same dogs year after year often grow very attached to them and they are regularly adopted as pets after their time of service.

They make lousy pets usually, but for the people who rescue them - it isn't about how great a pet they are - it is about giving back to a trooper who gave all he could give for science.

I am getting teary eyed just thinking about it.

I work with dogs in research sometimes and I can tell you that down there they all LOVE OUR DOGS!!!!

5 posted on 11/30/2011 9:29:18 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Heavyrunner; A_Former_Democrat

The vids are really sweet. Nothing to fear.


6 posted on 11/30/2011 9:29:32 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
any animal will come out of a cage with hesitation when they are not sure what to expect....this happens with wild animals as well, who sometimes have to be prodded to leave a cage....

those dogs look in great physcial shape....bright eyes...no noticiable scars or scabs...doesn't look like their muscles have atrophied....

I think maybe this story has a lot of embellishment....

.dogs left in "cages" for their entire lives wouldn't look like these dogs IMO....

and its lovely that animals can be adopted out, but what was the cost of flying them to the US?.....don't we have some starving human children we could rescue somewhere in the world....

we had our beegle mix for nearly 18 yrs....they are a wonderful pet....I love dogs...just think this story is suspect and colored in a certain way...

7 posted on 11/30/2011 9:34:34 AM PST by cherry
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To: Nachum
An enjoyable video... Thank you for the post.
8 posted on 11/30/2011 9:35:08 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Nachum

Sweet.


9 posted on 11/30/2011 9:35:55 AM PST by Beowulf
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To: Nachum

If they’ve never been out of their cages, how can they even walk? You would think their muscles would be atrophied.


10 posted on 11/30/2011 9:41:36 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: cherry; Lady Lucky

They are usually kept in kennels that are about 10’ by 10’ and house two beagles - if they are social - one beagle if he is a jerk to his roommate. They can still see the dogs on either side of them so they don’t feel alone even if housed individually.

They have toys and are quite active around food time. Anytime anyone goes in there they like to jump up and down like crazy!

They are not like veal caves or anything - confined so that they don’t move - they get about as much exercise as your average house dog who has a yard but isn’t taken for walks.


11 posted on 11/30/2011 9:46:36 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: cherry
I agree with you Cherry. I have raised, groomed, handled, shown, and boarded AKC purebred Beagles for years and I have seen more traumatized Beagles that were simply improperly socialized as puppies than these Laboratory Beagles appeared to be.
All Beagles can have that "woe is me" look on their face but if they are truly abused or fearful of people it takes MONTHS, if EVER, for them to come around enough to lick a humans face, etc.,
Perfect tear-jerker music added to the emotional build up of the story but I think it is a story with only one, questionable side being told.
12 posted on 11/30/2011 9:47:16 AM PST by wndycndy
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To: Nachum

‘The downfall is, the same reason the beagle is a perfect companion animal, is the same reason they’re used for testing.’

“Companion animal” is animal whacko speak. The correct word is PET.


13 posted on 11/30/2011 9:58:49 AM PST by Hacklehead (It's time to start treating the 1st ammendment like the RATS treat the 2nd.)
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To: Nachum

based on your post, I dared to view. It is so sweet, at least those dogs seems to have been well fed, I was afraid of the worst.


14 posted on 11/30/2011 10:06:01 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Nachum
There is no need for animal testing.

Nothing but needless and unspeakable cruelty to animals.

15 posted on 11/30/2011 10:58:01 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: Nachum

Just imagine how people look when freed.


16 posted on 11/30/2011 11:00:26 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Nachum

I appreciate the link and the story Nachum but I can’t do it. Dogs and cats mess me up that way.


17 posted on 11/30/2011 11:00:43 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: fortheDeclaration
If there were no need for and value behind animal testing it wouldn't be done.

Drug discovery is highly dependent upon animal testing.

It is both difficult and dangerous to dose human subjects with a compound never tested in an animal.

18 posted on 11/30/2011 11:04:35 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Nachum

The vids are really sweet. Nothing to fear.


EXCEPT.....Michael Vick!


19 posted on 11/30/2011 11:07:43 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: Nachum

As a beagle owner, this had me very teary-eyed.


20 posted on 11/30/2011 11:16:00 AM PST by Chandalier (You say Obama, I say O-blame-o!)
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To: Nachum

As a dog lover myself, I’m not buying a lot of the BS rationalizations certain “apologists” in this thread are selling. How remarkably sad.. A beagle, a dog bred for game, a loving companion, being kept for life inside a lab? While you go home to your pets (those who have them) to let them outside to run in the yard, or to take them for a walk where they can smell other dogs, roll in the grass, and do other things dogs love to do. You seem to think it’s enough that they were well-fed and don’t *appear* physically abused.

The idea that testing on such docile, companion animals because it “serves the greater good” could come straight from the communist manifesto, IMHO. We are supposed to be more conpassionate than that.


21 posted on 11/30/2011 12:56:12 PM PST by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: buckleyfan

Heartless capitalist I have heard before.

Straight from the Communist Manifesto is a new one to me.

Communists are generally not too interested in innovative therapeutics to prolong life - more interested in “death panels” that deny care to the general public while seeking out Western Medicine for the well connected.


22 posted on 11/30/2011 1:05:18 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

When the soviets shot Laika into space, they didn’t think twice, because they knew their masses would, when told what to think, regard her as a hero who died so that a Russian cosmonot wouldn’t have to.

NASA didn’t dream of doing such a thing, at least publicly, because they knew the American public would be squeamish about it, at best. We love our dogs and cats. Yours is an “end justifies the means” mentality that is a good fit for what the soviets were doing not just with Laika, but across the board.

Lifesaving therapies that truly push medical science forward? Okay, though I doubt they need domesticated dogs like the beagle to do it. Cosmetics, or pharmaceuticals that might extend a terminal patient’s life five days (or five hours?) I don’t think so.


23 posted on 11/30/2011 1:16:27 PM PST by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: buckleyfan
What other animal would you suggest? Is it just because the beagle is domesticated that makes it abhorrent to you? You would rather a less sympathetic animal was used?

The ends do not justify the means - but there are ends in mind - and the means are as humane as possible. Those dogs were not abused, just used to an indoor environment, and unfamiliar with an outdoor environment.

I imagine many a Park Avenue pooch would act similarly when taken out into the country and away from the sidewalks and cars.

Lifesaving therapies that truly push medical science forward use dogs in research.

Every breakthrough therapeutic in the last 50 years was developed using animal models.

Would you sign up to be the first human to test a therapeutic that had never been tested in animals?

24 posted on 11/30/2011 1:33:07 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Nachum

Our little lady died two winters ago of tick fever. We have had four Beagles in nearly 60 years.

We kept her cleaned and kept treatment on her all the time. She hunted day and night, she lived to hunt and kept the 40 acre hill hopping. You could hear her out at 2 o’clock in the morning but we tried to keep her up to give her some rest.

She could clear the window sill in my Dodge truck she got so excited when I drove in.

She captured the heart of everyone she met and our vet stayed with her for two full days to try to save her.

Every time I have lost one of these friends I say I’ll never have another.


25 posted on 11/30/2011 3:08:51 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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‘Every time I have lost one of these friends I say I’ll never have another.’

Yep. My kids wanted a dog and I had already been an owner to two others that lived a long life and died. I did not want to go through it again, but they all wanted a dog. They got the dog.

Sooooooo.... we have had a beautiful black lab/golden retriever mix now for more than 3 years. She follows me everywhere.

They wanted a dog...and now it’s ‘my’ dog. :)


26 posted on 11/30/2011 3:15:18 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: allmendream

You’re getting into PETA territory if you are going to argue that all animals should be equal in the eyes of man and equally protected. What difference between a dog, a rabbit, or a rat in these experiments, eh?

Yes, many in our society believe docile, intelligent, domesticated pets like beagles deserve not to be treated like a lab rodent. Just as someone else pointed out in this thread, it’s a sad state of affairs that any dog, but even specifically this breed, is being chosen for experiments based upon the same traits that were bred into them to make them good companions in the first place. Submissive. Trusting. Not likely to get violent.

It’s pretty clear to me that you can be a dog lover or a pragmatic supporter of using dogs in a lab, but not both. You are fooling no one with your opinion that the dogs seem “happy.” You cannot make that judgement any more than the rescuers can insist the dogs look “sad.” (using common sense in that matter is something else altogether, though).

I know you won’t change your mind. You apparently are somewhat involved in this in your profession, so there are some barriers put up no doubt, nobody wants to feel bad about what they do. It falls upon others to feel badly, I suppose.


27 posted on 11/30/2011 6:53:55 PM PST by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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