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Voting in Egypt shows mandate for Islamists
The New York Times/post-gazette.com ^ | Dec. 1, 2011 | David D. Kirkpatrick

Posted on 11/30/2011 10:24:51 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

CAIRO -- Islamists claimed a decisive victory Wednesday as early election results put them on track to win a dominant majority in Egypt's first Parliament since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, the most significant step yet in the religious movement's rise since the start of the Arab Spring.

The party formed by the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's mainstream Islamist group, appeared to have taken about 40 percent of the vote, as expected. But a big surprise was the strong showing of ultraconservative Islamists, called Salafis, many of whom see most popular entertainment as sinful and reject women's participation in voting or public life.

Analysts in state-run media said early returns indicated that Salafi groups could take as much as quarter of the vote, giving the two groups of Islamists combined control of nearly 65 percent of the parliamentary seats.

That victory came at the expense of the liberal parties and youth activists who set off the revolution, affirming their fears that they would be unable to compete with Islamists who emerged from the Mubarak years organized and with an established following. Poorly organized and internally divided, the liberal parties could not compete with Islamists disciplined by decades as the sole opposition to Mr. Mubarak.

"We were washed out," said Shady el-Ghazaly Harb, one of the most politically active of the group.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egyptelection; mb; muslimbrotherhood

1 posted on 11/30/2011 10:24:55 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hope they like their new masters...

So much for the lessons of Iran...


2 posted on 11/30/2011 10:30:23 PM PST by DB
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m shocked, shocked. Who knew.


3 posted on 11/30/2011 10:35:16 PM PST by hershey
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There’s still two more rounds of voting. Maybe the army will do something to blunt future gains in the next two elections.

One can only hope.


4 posted on 11/30/2011 10:38:02 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: hershey

Obama knew.

He boasted that Israel was Americas greatest ally and posted his MB across northern Africa as guardians.


5 posted on 11/30/2011 10:40:27 PM PST by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oh what a surprise. /s


6 posted on 11/30/2011 10:45:41 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So the jihadist party has the majority, and the ultrajihadists party represents the loyal opposition - wonderful.


7 posted on 11/30/2011 10:49:35 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"That victory came at the expense of the liberal parties and youth activists who set off the revolution"

Oops

8 posted on 11/30/2011 10:49:43 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Free ThinkerNY

don’t you think it was nice of our government to train the Islamists in electoral politics?

/sarc


9 posted on 11/30/2011 10:50:12 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Even Ray Charles could see this one coming......


10 posted on 11/30/2011 10:59:08 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

One man, one vote, one time. Once the Islamists gain control, they’ll keep it.

They’ll probably end up putting burkhas on the mummies and blowing the Pyramids because they are unIslamic.


11 posted on 11/30/2011 10:59:22 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Spring time for Islam and Sharia.
Egypt is happy this way.
We’re marching to a faster pace
Look out
Here comes the master race.

Don’t be stupid, be a smarty
Come and join the Islamist party!

Spring time for Islam and Sharia.
Means that soon we’ll be going
We’ve got to be going
You know we’ll be going to war!


12 posted on 11/30/2011 11:03:30 PM PST by garjog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

...Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s mainstream Islamist group....”

Only in the parallel universe of the NYSlimes could the Muslim Brothers be considered mainstream.


13 posted on 11/30/2011 11:04:45 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Ronin

Back during the arab spring I remember saying that in ten the great pyramid will be a mosque........ now I’m thinking it will be domed up in 10 months.


14 posted on 11/30/2011 11:18:53 PM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Take off and nuke it from orbit.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 1:12:20 AM PST by Blado (2008: Year Zero of the Zombie Apocalypse.)
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To: garjog

You stole all my lines.


16 posted on 12/01/2011 1:17:26 AM PST by Blado (2008: Year Zero of the Zombie Apocalypse.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Saw a pic on Tuesday`s Wall Street Journal of two Egyptian women marking their ballots. Hope they they enjoyed their one-time foray in political participation. The bad guys won big and life just got a whole lot darker for those women.

But, I`m sure the masses can take to Tarhir Square again if their new masters come across too heavy handed..

..oh, wait..


17 posted on 12/01/2011 1:27:09 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: Ronin

Hmmm...I am now trying to visualize the Sphinx wearing a burka.


18 posted on 12/01/2011 1:46:45 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, the much-vaunted Arab Spring is going down the tubes.

But (says the media) lookee over here—another Cain accuser! /s


19 posted on 12/01/2011 3:10:28 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: Shadow44

Would not suprise me if the military will very much “null and void” the election results.


20 posted on 12/01/2011 3:52:33 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Wouldn’t surprise me either.

I think the military may be willing to give the newly-elected Salafists (kooks) a little bit of leeway, but if the Salafists overplay their hand (and I’m equally sure they will: when people get giddy with victory, they tend to do that) then it’s possible that the Egyptian military will put the kibosh on it.

At that point, the military can position itself as the guardians of a secular state (like Turkey), and ensure that the more hardcore Islamist elements are kept in the shadows, and out of Parliament.

Look, even in Turkey, no one in the AKP is saying let’s have sharia as the sole law of the land. AKP is fairly content with having a secular society, though in fairness they are mildly Islamist. Their overall tendency is to view religion as a private affair, though they have no objections to religion playing a part in the social and cultural life of Turkey. It’s a fine line to walk, to be sure, but it can be done.

Of course, the Turks regardless of ideology would love to see a new Ottoman Empire, to be sure. It’s dreaming, but they lack the practical requisites to turn into reality. I really don’t imagine the Arabs (the Ottomans former subjects) lining up in Istanbul begging for the Turks to take them over again. So, neo-Ottomanism is just a fantasy.

Though I wouldn’t mind it one bit if the Turks put the smackdown on Syria.

With regard to Egypt, most likely the newly minted Salafist parliamentarians will overplay their hand, and get their hand cut off for their troubles. Whether it’s the military that curbs their power, or massive protests once again by the more secular Egyptians, a purely Salafist government will badly divide Egyptian society. Extremists always over-reach.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 4:23:48 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That victory came at the expense of the liberal parties and youth activists who set off the revolution....


AKA: Useful idiots. I’m sure they’ll be pleased as punch 5 years from now when they are unemployed, can’t use the Internet, and are mandated by law to pray 5X per day.


22 posted on 12/01/2011 4:33:22 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Totally a surprise.


23 posted on 12/01/2011 4:35:45 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Plus also if Israel’s military does military excercises, as a just in case “prep”, that may also send a message to the Egyptian military to “clamp down” on any Islamofacist troublemakers.


24 posted on 12/01/2011 4:49:18 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

A good possibility.

I’m reasonably sure the Egyptian military is of no mind to upset the regional applecart in any significant way.

What I’d like to see; the Egyptian military high command pulls a Turkey.....in other words, a public declaration that they consider themselves the penultimate guarantors of a secular and democratic Egyptian state.

Heh.....the Salafists would need a change of underwear after hearing something like that. It would be a good preemptive move on the part of the Egyptian military as well. A simple move like that could prevent a good many problems from arising in the future.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 5:00:30 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

One man, one vote, one time.


26 posted on 12/01/2011 5:27:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Yep, and believe me, they want NO PROBLEMS that could end up causing a very, very concerned neighbor to hand over to the Egyptians their rear ends.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 5:29:57 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
When we read about an election elsewhere where our desires are unmet, we must remember that:

“All politics is loco!”

Tipardo O'Neill D. Mass

28 posted on 12/01/2011 5:31:31 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: rbg81

....If Israel does not hand over to these Egyptians their “rear ends” first because the tried to “provoke” any trouble, coming from the Egyptian side.


29 posted on 12/01/2011 5:32:26 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
At that point, the military can position itself as the guardians of a secular state (like Turkey)...

That paradigm done shifted, AAA. Today in Turkey, it is the islamists who have put the generals in prison or fired them. As in Turkey, the Egyptian military is riddled with Islamists. There will be no secular military coup in Turkey or Egypt (or Libya, Tunisia, etc) against the islamists. That ship has sailed. Time to update your models to the new reality.

30 posted on 12/01/2011 5:32:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

To rour response # 30: AMEN!!!


31 posted on 12/01/2011 5:34:36 AM PST by sport
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To: Travis McGee
That paradigm done shifted, AAA. Today in Turkey, it is the islamists who have put the generals in prison or fired them. As in Turkey, the Egyptian military is riddled with Islamists. There will be no secular military coup in Turkey or Egypt (or Libya, Tunisia, etc) against the islamists. That ship has sailed. Time to update your models to the new reality.

Yep, the Arab spring has sprung and the blossoms ain't pretty. Bitter fruit is coming.

32 posted on 12/01/2011 5:40:07 AM PST by TADSLOS (Lexicon Genetics- Rick Perry's Solyndra Moment)
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To: TADSLOS; sport; AnAmericanAbroad; archy
Very bitter. A new Caliphate is rising.

What remains to be seen is if the Caliph will have his capital in Ankara, Cairo or Tehran.

There will be a general war between the islamic ummah and the West within 2 years, probably starting with a missile war against Israel. Europe will be at war, not a true civil war, but a war between Europeans and the islamic 5th column. Ethnic cleansing and massacres will be rampant. Scenes like Smyrna 1922 will be repeated. The Copts and other minorities will be “deported” to the deserts like the Armenians in Turkey in 1915. It will be ugly beyond measure.

The caliphate will bear only bitter fruit. But it may bring the end of islam in our lifetime. It's a classic case of strategic overreach by a movement that can't survive without outside help, primarily food deliveries. The West can live without ME oil for a while. The ME literally cannot live without massive food imports.

(This is the hypothetical background of my 5th novel, now in the writing.)

“We're going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.”

33 posted on 12/01/2011 5:50:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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