Posted on 12/01/2011 1:58:15 PM PST by smoothsailing
However, respectfully, if I thought Cain's philosophies about the economy, national defense, abortion, illegal immigration, entitlement programs, and so forth were DIFFERENT from mine, then I might be worried about him cheating on the voters.
But since his philosophies are the same as mine on the issues that matter to me, I am not worried about him cheating on the voters in those areas. As a voter, I'm not entering into a monogamous relationship with him, I'm entering into a contract for him to execute the duties of the President of the United States.
If he were a proven issues flip-flopper like Romney, then I would DEFINITELY care about his “commitment” issues and whether he would “cheat on the voters who elected him.
I really do agree with you, and character does matter. But since we do NOT have a perfect candidate to elect, we have to choose from what we are given. If we had a morally upstanding person standing up there who was wrong on the issues, that wouldn't make me vote for them. I care about the issues, not what he does in or out of his own bedroom.
But regardless of alllllll of that, Cain hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet. Does he not deserve a chance to defend himself here? It's been 2 or 3 (?) days. I'm willing to give Lin Wood a chance to do his job. I'm willing to give Mrs. Cain and Mr. Cain a chance to talk this through. And if Mrs. Cain stands behind him, then I think those of us who want to defeat Obama should also stand behind him.
I still believe Cain is our best shot at beating Obama. But more importantly, for the long term, Cain is a game-changer for the entire Democrat Party, because the monopoly on the Black Vote will be over. And that will change the future of this Country for decades.
>> But since his philosophies are the same as mine on the issues that matter to me, I am not worried about him cheating on the voters in those areas.
I see your point, and it’s valid in theory. But I disagree with your premise that a politican can be true to his political principles while handling his love life with situational ethics.
“Faithful in little, faithful in much” (IMHO). I don’t believe men operate reliably under situational ethics. You either have integrity, or you do not. Therefore I have no faith that Herman Cain would uphold his vows to the nation regarding the “issues that matter to me” any more than he upheld his marriage vows to his wife.
I realize that this is not “proof” — it’s merely my judgment. However I will cast my vote informed by my judgment.
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Like Rush said about Newt's statements: "Less is More." Voters in primaries will not be as forgiving as many on FR are And Axelrod & Co. are taking notes and writing campaign ads to shred any and all Republican candidates |
Good question. 13 years is a long time for just a regular fling with a twenty-something bimbo. Remember, none of us really know Cain since he has never held public office.
[Voters in primaries will not be as forgiving as many on FR are ]
We’re just one little pocket of the web. Some have told me ‘you don’t realize ‘so and so’s’ vast popularity’ and I’ve told them ‘so and so’ isn’t popular where I live. It’s obvious that many don’t read on other sites.
The vast majority of Americans go about their daily business and don’t talk about who they will vote for.
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What is selling right now with the ignorant voters is the bogus “paycheck deduction holiday” that is “already paid for with a small millionaire’s tax”
People do not listen to or want to hear Newt and his latest “57 Varieties of Sure-Fire Solutions” BS
They bought “Hope & Change” in ‘08
- after all - Idiot John McCain said Hussein Junior could be trusted
They will not listen to Ryan or 9-9-9
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His wife and daughters are impressive - he should have stayed emotionally true to them...
[bogus “paycheck deduction holiday”]
I’m not well informed about that topic. I’ve been too engrossed in candidate threads. Little on Perry today. It will be strange to end up with Newt after two years of talking about the most ‘pure’ candidates.
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Newt has no shot at winning the primaries
The polls so far - are all BS
In 2004 I was proven correct when I said those interested should take the difference between Kerry & GS Bush - split the difference - and add that half to each candidate
The LS Times in 2004 was giving Kerry a 17 point lead - and we all know how that turned out
Right now Hussein Junior is well below Jimmuh Cahtah’s lowest numbers
Axelrod and Junior are panicking bigtime - but they can - and - they will do anything - once again - in November 2012
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[but they can - and - they will do anything - once again - in November 2012]
I believe it and pray we’re prepared. I only see polls that they show on Fox News and it does show Newt way up there. What surprises me is that Obama’s polling always looks so good too! I really don’t trust polls.
Heading off for bed devolve, enjoyed it and still laughing at the Amazon business, lol.
Every person's perception is their own reality.
I know that I have a character flaw: I am continuously late for work — when no one is depending on me. i.e., If all I am doing is writing a report that day, then I guarantee you I will be late for work. But if people are depending on me to be there at a certain time, such as to leave for a field audit, then I am always on time.
I couldn't make it to my college courses on time if my life depended on it. Because I was only hurting myself. But I was on a Varsity sports team in college, and was never late for practice, not one time, in 4 years of 6-day/week practices — at 5:30 am.
So I do see how someone can have situational ethics. Because I have them. My situational ethics allow me to be late when I am only hurting myself, but I am never late when others are counting on me.
So I can and do believe a person can be a great CEO but a terrible Father/Husband, or vice versa.
I've known people at work who suck at their job, but they are absolutely amazing volunteers at the local Church or they are amazing Emergency Response volunteers, etc.
Your life experiences shape your beliefs, as do mine. That's why we differ on this issue. But that's ok. Differences are what make America great.
Is this the straw that broke the camel’s back? I think we are looking at it.
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LOL!
I knew you world enjoy that potlatch!
Amazon, eBay, and MSFT have all learned the hard way that it is much smarter if they listen to me - not the jerks they hired to ruin their businesses
We need a tough competent Patton now - With a track record, money, and muscle
Not a recurring egotistical headline maker
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You make really good points. Thank you for your post.
I was assuming (like others seem to be) that he was making hefty monthly payments to her, but I certainly don’t know that to be the case. It could be just as you suggested. I understand that she has at least one child. Perhaps Mr. Cain believed he was helping the child(ren) by his financial gifts. Again, I certainly don’t know, and either does anyone else that isn’t named Herman Cain. He says he has helped others as well. I tend to believe that. I also believe that this increased activity the past month or so on her behalf sounds like a set-up. Did I hear that she is writing a book?
I am very sad because this probably will doom the candidacy of a fine conservative—no matter what the truth is.
On Hannity tonight he announced he’ll decide by Monday whether or not to continue his campaign.
Whenever they say they won’t withdraw, they usually do within a week. Santorum 2012 — Less Baggage
It’s like the relationship between Major Frank Burns and Major Margaret “Hot Lips” Houlihan. Frank promised Hot Lips he would get her an apartment close to his medical practice and he would help pay her rent at $100. Margaret gets steamed and says she’s getting more than $100 a month from the Army and Frank counters that he can’t outbid Uncle Sam. She kicks him out of her tent.
Yep, he’s another.
>Cain is now down to 6% in Florida. It is 50% Gingrich, 19% Romney, 6% Cain.<
Gingrich being a real poster boy for marital fidelity and all.</ S>
Of course you’re done ... you can’t grasp the difference between a person who, on the one hand, has had a long, successful, 40+ year career, maintained a sterling reputation throughout that 40+year career, and who then chooses to pursue a career of elective public service...”
Yep, the man was a saint, no doubt. I’ll be on my way, alright, Ed. I’ll be seeing you around the campus, though.
LOL! Good ‘ole Hot Lips. What was it Hawkeye and Trapper John called Frank? “Chicken Lips”!
Hot Lips & Chicken Lips!!! What a hoot! :)
LOL Hawkeye called him “Ferret Face” and it stuck. :D
I agree, I don’t see this going on much longer.
HA! Ferret Face! I’d forgotten about that! :o)
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