Skip to comments.Gingrich: Poor kids don't work
Posted on 12/02/2011 6:18:45 AM PST by Daffynition
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There is no reason that kids under 18, who don’t have others to support, should have the same minimum wage as people over the age of 18.
My 13 year old niece was throwing a tantrum the other day because my sister cut off the cable TV to her bedroom. My sister and her husband are what I would consider to be working poor.
“Seems to me that we expect more out of today’s politicians personal lives than our nation’s founders could have mustered.”
Oh yes, I’m sure Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and the others had lots of affairs and cheated on their wives. Sure.
He wants no such thing snap out of it. Gingrich is the new liberal let’s all stay home for Obama! Gingrich said something CBS didn’t like boo hoo.
Gingrich is flawed, but it’s intellectually dishonest to say he’s a leftist. The guy has a 90% lifetime rating from the ACU for Pete’s sake!
Jefferson? Franklin? Hamilton?
Better read some more history.
It’s the govt fault. My college educated brother who grew up in one of the richest zip codes in America has never had a job because he gets everything from the California welfare system. He knows how to work the system he’s an expert on getting everything paid for. He has raised 3 sons in his image and California is paying to feed his 150lb mastiff dog in a three bedroom apt. Wake up America some people need welfare and some dont
And I find that very refreshing, finally someone who will dare to say what is on all our minds, get it out there front and center and deal with the problem. We need more Welfare Reform.
He is not saying they are Lazy, just they have no positive influence, and he is absolutely correct. Not that should really matter, if one is a self starter and REALLY wanted to improve themselves, but for most of them, it is a way of life and they are afraid of their "peers" (yuk), to make the change.
I swear I’m expecting half of us may get banned from FR for supporting Newt Gingrich if some of these people have their way!
Ok I accepted no support for Romney but now I have to accept that Gingrich is a liberal. I can assure people Obama IS a liberal.
So he didn’t propose giving them paying jobs cleaning the schools??
aka “under-served communities”
Not all are lazy, the drug sellers are real hustlers
and not all are criminal, collecting welfare for 5 generations is no crime
Newt is right, the kid from these neighborhoods who exhibits ambition and drive usually makes the headlines
as an anomaly
“Jefferson? Franklin? Hamilton?
Better read some more history.”
I have toots. And I didn’t list Franklin, you did. And I don’t swallow for one minute the politically correct rendition that it was Thomas Jefferson that was the Jefferson who had relations with Sally Hemming. That’s the Libs’ point of view of history, and has been disputed by panels other than the first one that wanted so badly for it to be Tom Jefferson that was doing it with Sally. But you believe whatever version of history you want to concoct in your mind. We actually don’t know whether Franklin, who was a ladies man, actually had a French sweetie or not, although it appears he may have. His wife was back home in the U.S. for years while he was in France. Anyway, Franklin was never President either.
The “oh no..it can’t be done, stinking way of thinking” is one of the many reasons why our nation is in/on a decline.
“Ben Franklin ditched his family and spent years sleeping around while working in France.”
Franklin didn’t “ditch” his wife to go to France, he went at the request of his young country, and she didn’t want to go.
My about seven years ago my sister managed a Subway shop in the Greater Cincinnatti area. She hired a teenager to work for her. He worked his tail off, every day, after school and through the summer.
One August, right before the start of his sophomore year, his parents decided that they couldnt pay to send him to the private Catholic school that his siblings had gone to, anymore. This kid really valued that educational experience and he wanted it for himself.
He made a deal with his parents. He wanted to increase his after school working hours and weekend hours at the Subway shop, so that he could pay his own private tuition. They agreed, provided he kept his grades up.
He worked all the time and deposited his earnings into a joint account with his parents. He continued to work throughout his school year, saving money. And his parents wrote a tuition check for him, faithfully. He finished his sophomore year and junior year. He had enough money saved up at the end of his senior year to pay for the entire year, without having to kill himself working so many hours. He was very proud of his work ethic and thought that the work was worth it, because he loved going to that private Catholic school.
He enrolled for his senior year and started classes, very happy and well-adjusted.
Then the principal called him into the office to inform him that the tuition check hadnt been sent in time for the fall semester. He wasnt welcome at the school anymore.
He rushed home to his parents, worried. He knew hed saved that money and that he had budgeted to pay for the full years tuition, all by himself.
What he didnt know is that earlier that summer his parents had drained that account and spent it on themselves on frivolous things that they wanted and had nothing to do with nurturing or raising their son.
He had to work even more hours to pay for that last year. He rarely slept. He worked and went to school, scrimping and saving every penny.
I cannot imagine the huge hole in the trust that his parents had made when theyd squandered their own childs educational savings. It must have damaged their relationship with their son.
Hes a good kid, and I hope that he has healed his heart while at the same time learned to really work for himself. He cant count on his parents, obviously.
The goal is to make it as miserable as possible. The problem now is because they cover rents in halfway nice apartments and even single family homes.
He is a leftist on health care, the environment, immigration,
agriculture, finance (bailouts,corporate welfare,freemarkets),
abortion, energy (in terms of corporate welfare and the enviornment), entitlements,size of government in general...on education he supports the DOE and other things but I wouldn’t quibble with those who say he is a moderate on education.
Not to mention he is a sell out...so those issues which is not already inclined to be a corporate socialist he can be flipped for a price.
Not to mention he is a horrible, horrible, horrible manager and leader. Being a good communicator and strategist has nothing to do with being a leader. Look at Obama.
The ACU is good for nothing. (except giving big government Republicans “conservative” cover).
If NEwt had been a “conervative “ speaker then we would have a 1.8 trillion dollars budget, ZERO national debt, a 30 trillion dollar economy, and Obama certainly would not be President.
john mccain lifetime ACU rating of 82
Looks to me like that measure is not a measure of who someone is or how he will govern. I would say the ACU rating today is very flawed... because there is no way to explain these two and use that measure to prove anything about newt.
LOL yeah, I’m just laughing at your naivety now.
“All poor kids are lazy criminals??”
Thats not what Newt said. He said that in a lot of inner city Ghettos there are no jobs to be had, most people are out of work and live on welfare so kids have no way to experience working and making money legally as opposed to selling dope. He wants to establish work zones in these poor areas so kids can get a partime job just like in the burbs and experience the normalcy of working a regular job. Its a great idea.
Oh, and what life experience do you have working with kids and families in the slums of a large urban center, to know this isn’t a distinct possibility? I know it sounds cynical [hence my caveat,] but it’s true. Meh.
Let’s narrow it and look at the big ticket issue.Healthcare.
Obamacare is ROmneycare which is GOPhackcare. Obamacare is a REPUBLICAN invention. Obamacare was first introduced on the national,modern scene by Newt Gingrich. In 1990 he started pimping for Obamacare and has been pushing a mandate and government CONTROL ever since.
In 2003 Newt was the lead pimp/cheerleader for medicare D.He had been pushing for that for years.
As Speaker he was the one who allowed entitlements to get out of control when back then there was a chance of keeping it managed.
As Speaker, Newt whipped the caucus into supporting the creation of the SCHIP entitlement.
Newt has a record second to none among Republicans of advocating for, and or implementing,multi trillion dollar health care entitlements that piece by piece takeover the health care industry.
Heartwarming, that young man is a SON most normal parents would be very proud of. I will bet, he will take this experience into the future as a lesson in life. He is a self starter, and I predict he will do very well. These types tend to not repeat the past in raising their children. Bravo to him.
I’m not sure, but it is definitely cultural, and it doesn’t appear to be dependent on theology.
Now those of us on the extreme right of the spectrum will continue to discuss and debate newt. You can support newt and you can vote for newt... you can call newt a Conservative... but none of that makes newt anything but the progressive big government guy that he is. Thomas Sowell and Mark Steyn have both written about this. Some of us will not stop telling the truth about newt. He is just another mccain... he even promised THIS MORNING to run his campaign as mccain did... by not making the election about obama but making it about himself. He will not attack his republican opponents and he will not attack obama... "New Tone" and all of that. This clip was played on Good Morning America this morning and Jake Tapper was the interviewer.
Check FR mail
I would go further. No Section 8 homes in the suburbs. Have soup kitchens in welfare neighborhoods as the only supplement to govt surplus food. As far as the burned out areas in Detroit, bulldoze them level and install trailer parks.
Let’s hope GL doesn’t read this.
Once in a while, a great-great while, a kid will slip the bonds of poverty and a second class education and make it. Sadly, they are few and far between.
I supported your quest for Mike Pence a while back, and I did like him.
But at some point (I’ve reviewed your post) you have to order off the menu. When absolutely no declared candidate is acceptable to you, then, I don’t know what else to tell you.
I for one am not ready to give up.
Does anyone who’s spent any time with kids from poor nabes deny what Newt says here? Both my wife and i,her more then me, taught desperately poor kids in terrible nabes. These kids had no one in their lives who obtained cash through work. They had zero understanding of the relation of work to achievement, and this showed in their approach to school. I don’t think the govts,city, state, and federal could possibly have enough placements for a 14 or 15 year old to learn work’s value and the unions would scream child labor if they tried, but Newt’s absolutely right about the problem. And if you examine the snotty white OWS kids, I think you’ll find a preponderance who grew up with an absent,divorced father paying the bills and no correlation to dad’s getting up and going to work with the clothes, vacations, tuitions, and Christmas presents.
As someone who does a fair amount of interviewing for new hires,I can say that the corral may be full, but the herd is thin and scraggly.
Thanks for the ‘script.
>>Every first generation successful person I know started work early.<<
One thing, these people, largely are *not* first generation folks ...too many have been on welfare for generations.
Why work when mamma gets her check from uncle sugar??
“Once in a while, a great-great while, a kid will slip the bonds of poverty and a second class education and make it. Sadly, they are few and far between.”
Not buying into the Dimwits approach/perspective to/of life.
>>if you examine the snotty white OWS kids, I think youll find a preponderance who grew up with an absent,divorced father paying the bills<<
The poor I work with, have no bio-father present, and mom is in jail. They are being raised by older sibs and relatives. What we would describe as a *intact family* is not present.
Starting in the teen years, what these kids desperately need is a vocational education [building trades, agriculture, engine repair, culinary, etc.]; instead they are *all* told to go to college. For a long time, kids were steered away from the vocational schools in CT and there aren’t too many of these programs left.
If you’ll dig deeper into those numbers, you’ll find many segments are doing fine. Get into a “doing fine” segment. There’s enormous hiring going on in South Dakota and other “flyover country” for the full spectrum of jobs - GO THERE.
“But it’s too hard/expensive/annoying/melancholy to leave home and go to icky South Dakota!” Tough. Move. I did (to GA). If moving is too [insert complaint here], then you must have it pretty good where you are. Nobody’s gonna hand you a cushy high-paying do-nothing job.
Mayor of Philadelphia rant - go to the 12 - 13 minute mark and listen.
BTW, If your playing with a gotcha statement from an individual...Do not care..It is wrong.
I doubt anybody in this country really knows what poor is.
If they have cable TV, they’re not poor.
In NYC schools vocationals are on a downward trend. There are many new career oriented schools opening, but the positions require academic work beyond HS. Things like journalism, media, finance etc. The old trade schools,except maybe Aviation HS, are falling by the wayside. Yet the city and surrounding areas have a dearth of people who can be carpenters, dry cleaners, plumbers, a/c repair etc. These skills are left to the for profit schools that advertise on afternoon TV, and whose record of success and honesty is not always believable. You’re quite correct about the college for all nonsense. I don’t know how many barely literate 8th graders I saw from Queensbridge Houses who told me they wanted to be a lawyer when it was unlikely they’d ever learn enough to even serve a subpoena.
Verily, it’s a sad state of affairs in the public schools. We’re in a pendulum shift right now, and as you say, the *for profit* schools are filling that void. Perhaps we’ll live long enough to see a shift in the other direction.
In our state, Pratt & Whitney used to be the largest employer...now it is the casinos. Young men and women with or without a HS degree could get a journeyman job in a tool and die shop and live the American dream with that income. I’m hard pressed to think of a small tool shop I know of anywhere, when they used to dot every corner and back lot.
The times have produced a need, here, for large numbers of workers with rags and window cleaner to wipe down the slot machines; from observation, a lot of these workers are Orientals, probably the *first generation* Newt mentions.
Historically, 75% of the students who reach age 16 in the City of Hartford, CT drop-out of school. The *hooks* that keep them interested in learning, like shop, woodworking, small engine repair, home ec, health, sewing arts have vanished from the curriculum.
I'd like to the throttle the people out there that expect the government to "create jobs" or provide jobs and the hustlers that promise them.
Nothing to disagree with ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID0A_N0Hig8
I was talking about Cain, lady