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Gingrich: Poor kids don't work
CBSNews.com ^ | December 1, 2011 | staff reporter

Posted on 12/02/2011 6:18:45 AM PST by Daffynition

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To: Williams

There is no reason that kids under 18, who don’t have others to support, should have the same minimum wage as people over the age of 18.


101 posted on 12/02/2011 7:35:32 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: ZX12R

Good point.

My 13 year old niece was throwing a tantrum the other day because my sister cut off the cable TV to her bedroom. My sister and her husband are what I would consider to be working poor.


102 posted on 12/02/2011 7:38:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Daffynition
I was unable to find a full transcript of the video clip or a full version any where on the internet. In addition, there is an undisclosed edit at time mark 0:39. This is what I did find combined with my transcription: Nowhere in the clip did he say that government should be the one to employ these kids. Can anyone take issue with what he really said? This is the most insightful explanation I have seen for the disintegration of the inner-city and the collapse of the minority family. Please ping me if anyone finds a longer video or full transcript, I would really like to see it.
103 posted on 12/02/2011 7:38:51 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: cripplecreek

“Seems to me that we expect more out of today’s politicians personal lives than our nation’s founders could have mustered.”

Oh yes, I’m sure Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and the others had lots of affairs and cheated on their wives. Sure.


104 posted on 12/02/2011 7:39:04 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: GeronL

He wants no such thing snap out of it. Gingrich is the new liberal let’s all stay home for Obama! Gingrich said something CBS didn’t like boo hoo.


105 posted on 12/02/2011 7:41:10 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Gipper08

Gingrich is flawed, but it’s intellectually dishonest to say he’s a leftist. The guy has a 90% lifetime rating from the ACU for Pete’s sake!


106 posted on 12/02/2011 7:42:57 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: flaglady47

Jefferson? Franklin? Hamilton?

Better read some more history.


107 posted on 12/02/2011 7:43:55 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

It’s the govt fault. My college educated brother who grew up in one of the richest zip codes in America has never had a job because he gets everything from the California welfare system. He knows how to work the system he’s an expert on getting everything paid for. He has raised 3 sons in his image and California is paying to feed his 150lb mastiff dog in a three bedroom apt. Wake up America some people need welfare and some dont


108 posted on 12/02/2011 7:45:46 AM PST by cnsmom (csmom)
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To: cripplecreek
My 13 year old niece was throwing a tantrum the other day because my sister cut off the cable TV to her bedroom. My sister and her husband are what I would consider to be working poor.

I live in a very small community in the south, where there are plenty of the working and chronically unemployed poor, in fact, when I go to the local grocery store, I'd swear that my wife and I are the only two people that don't whip out a free shit card. If this represents the majority of the so called poor, they are doing okay. Most of them, anyway.
109 posted on 12/02/2011 7:45:53 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: RockinRight
:::::Granted, he’s broken a few rules on the “list of things you can’t say in public”:::::::

And I find that very refreshing, finally someone who will dare to say what is on all our minds, get it out there front and center and deal with the problem. We need more Welfare Reform.

He is not saying they are Lazy, just they have no positive influence, and he is absolutely correct. Not that should really matter, if one is a self starter and REALLY wanted to improve themselves, but for most of them, it is a way of life and they are afraid of their "peers" (yuk), to make the change.

110 posted on 12/02/2011 7:47:51 AM PST by annieokie
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To: RockinRight

I swear I’m expecting half of us may get banned from FR for supporting Newt Gingrich if some of these people have their way!

Ok I accepted no support for Romney but now I have to accept that Gingrich is a liberal. I can assure people Obama IS a liberal.


111 posted on 12/02/2011 7:48:29 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Williams

So he didn’t propose giving them paying jobs cleaning the schools??


112 posted on 12/02/2011 7:49:20 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
“Poor neighborhoods”

aka ghettos

aka “under-served communities”

Not all are lazy, the drug sellers are real hustlers

and not all are criminal, collecting welfare for 5 generations is no crime

Newt is right, the kid from these neighborhoods who exhibits ambition and drive usually makes the headlines
as an anomaly

113 posted on 12/02/2011 7:50:13 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: Williams

“Jefferson? Franklin? Hamilton?

Better read some more history.”

I have toots. And I didn’t list Franklin, you did. And I don’t swallow for one minute the politically correct rendition that it was Thomas Jefferson that was the Jefferson who had relations with Sally Hemming. That’s the Libs’ point of view of history, and has been disputed by panels other than the first one that wanted so badly for it to be Tom Jefferson that was doing it with Sally. But you believe whatever version of history you want to concoct in your mind. We actually don’t know whether Franklin, who was a ladies man, actually had a French sweetie or not, although it appears he may have. His wife was back home in the U.S. for years while he was in France. Anyway, Franklin was never President either.


114 posted on 12/02/2011 7:52:23 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47
Oh yes, I’m sure Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and the others had lots of affairs and cheated on their wives. Sure.

Well yes, some instances are well documented. Ben Franklin ditched his family and spent years sleeping around while working in France. When he returned he shacked up with another woman. Andrew Jackson wasn't exactly a founder but he was married to a married woman.

Would you like me to find the letter from Ben Franklin to a friend who he was encouraging him to sow his wild oats to a widow? (He suggested putting a bag over the head of an older woman)

Like it or not our nation's founders were mere mortals.
115 posted on 12/02/2011 7:52:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Daffynition

The “oh no..it can’t be done, stinking way of thinking” is one of the many reasons why our nation is in/on a decline.


116 posted on 12/02/2011 7:54:16 AM PST by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: cripplecreek

“Ben Franklin ditched his family and spent years sleeping around while working in France.”

Franklin didn’t “ditch” his wife to go to France, he went at the request of his young country, and she didn’t want to go.


117 posted on 12/02/2011 7:55:30 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Daffynition

My about seven years ago my sister managed a Subway shop in the Greater Cincinnatti area. She hired a teenager to work for her. He worked his tail off, every day, after school and through the summer.

One August, right before the start of his sophomore year, his parents decided that they couldn’t pay to send him to the private Catholic school that his siblings had gone to, anymore. This kid really valued that educational experience and he wanted it for himself.

He made a deal with his parents. He wanted to increase his after school working hours and weekend hours at the Subway shop, so that he could pay his own private tuition. They agreed, provided he kept his grades up.

He worked all the time and deposited his earnings into a joint account with his parents. He continued to work throughout his school year, saving money. And his parents wrote a tuition check for him, faithfully. He finished his sophomore year and junior year. He had enough money saved up at the end of his senior year to pay for the entire year, without having to kill himself working so many hours. He was very proud of his work ethic and thought that the work was worth it, because he loved going to that private Catholic school.

He enrolled for his senior year and started classes, very happy and well-adjusted.

Then the principal called him into the office to inform him that the tuition check hadn’t been sent in time for the fall semester. He wasn’t welcome at the school anymore.

He rushed home to his parents, worried. He knew he’d saved that money and that he had budgeted to pay for the full year’s tuition, all by himself.

What he didn’t know is that earlier that summer his parents had drained that account and spent it on themselves on frivolous things that they wanted and had nothing to do with nurturing or raising their son.

He had to work even more hours to pay for that last year. He rarely slept. He worked and went to school, scrimping and saving every penny.

I cannot imagine the huge hole in the trust that his parents had made when they’d squandered their own child’s educational savings. It must have damaged their relationship with their son.

He’s a good kid, and I hope that he has healed his heart while at the same time learned to really work for himself. He can’t count on his parents, obviously.


118 posted on 12/02/2011 7:55:58 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Williams
Move it back to nothing but big nasty housing projects, no single family homes covered.

The goal is to make it as miserable as possible. The problem now is because they cover rents in halfway nice apartments and even single family homes.

119 posted on 12/02/2011 7:56:12 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: RockinRight

He is a leftist on health care, the environment, immigration,
agriculture, finance (bailouts,corporate welfare,freemarkets),
abortion, energy (in terms of corporate welfare and the enviornment), entitlements,size of government in general...on education he supports the DOE and other things but I wouldn’t quibble with those who say he is a moderate on education.

Not to mention he is a sell out...so those issues which is not already inclined to be a corporate socialist he can be flipped for a price.

Not to mention he is a horrible, horrible, horrible manager and leader. Being a good communicator and strategist has nothing to do with being a leader. Look at Obama.

The ACU is good for nothing. (except giving big government Republicans “conservative” cover).

If NEwt had been a “conervative “ speaker then we would have a 1.8 trillion dollars budget, ZERO national debt, a 30 trillion dollar economy, and Obama certainly would not be President.


120 posted on 12/02/2011 7:56:53 AM PST by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: Williams
I swear I’m expecting half of us may get banned from FR for supporting Newt Gingrich if some of these people have their way!

I'm not sure that I really support Newt. There are many things about him that would make me nervous, but if the alternative is Obama and the continued destruction of America, I think I could get on board.
121 posted on 12/02/2011 7:57:34 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: RockinRight
lindsey grahamnesty lifetime ACU rating 90

john mccain lifetime ACU rating of 82

Looks to me like that measure is not a measure of who someone is or how he will govern. I would say the ACU rating today is very flawed... because there is no way to explain these two and use that measure to prove anything about newt.

LLS

122 posted on 12/02/2011 7:58:26 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: flaglady47

LOL yeah, I’m just laughing at your naivety now.


123 posted on 12/02/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: GeronL

“All poor kids are lazy criminals??”

Thats not what Newt said. He said that in a lot of inner city Ghettos there are no jobs to be had, most people are out of work and live on welfare so kids have no way to experience working and making money legally as opposed to selling dope. He wants to establish work zones in these poor areas so kids can get a partime job just like in the burbs and experience the normalcy of working a regular job. Its a great idea.


124 posted on 12/02/2011 8:03:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Goldie Lurks

Oh, and what life experience do you have working with kids and families in the slums of a large urban center, to know this isn’t a distinct possibility? I know it sounds cynical [hence my caveat,] but it’s true. Meh.


125 posted on 12/02/2011 8:06:06 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: RockinRight

Let’s narrow it and look at the big ticket issue.Healthcare.

Obamacare is ROmneycare which is GOPhackcare. Obamacare is a REPUBLICAN invention. Obamacare was first introduced on the national,modern scene by Newt Gingrich. In 1990 he started pimping for Obamacare and has been pushing a mandate and government CONTROL ever since.

In 2003 Newt was the lead pimp/cheerleader for medicare D.He had been pushing for that for years.

As Speaker he was the one who allowed entitlements to get out of control when back then there was a chance of keeping it managed.

As Speaker, Newt whipped the caucus into supporting the creation of the SCHIP entitlement.

Newt has a record second to none among Republicans of advocating for, and or implementing,multi trillion dollar health care entitlements that piece by piece takeover the health care industry.


126 posted on 12/02/2011 8:07:51 AM PST by Gipper08 (www.travishankins.com...a real CONSERVATIVE)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Heartwarming, that young man is a SON most normal parents would be very proud of. I will bet, he will take this experience into the future as a lesson in life. He is a self starter, and I predict he will do very well. These types tend to not repeat the past in raising their children. Bravo to him.


127 posted on 12/02/2011 8:13:05 AM PST by annieokie
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To: yldstrk

I’m not sure, but it is definitely cultural, and it doesn’t appear to be dependent on theology.


128 posted on 12/02/2011 8:15:09 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Williams
No one of any consequence has made any threats against anyone supporting newt... Jim made a statement the other day where is said he was not in love with newt but that he could vote for him or Cain should that be who is nominated. He will not allow any promoting of a communist on this site and mitt is a baby killing commie.

Now those of us on the extreme right of the spectrum will continue to discuss and debate newt. You can support newt and you can vote for newt... you can call newt a Conservative... but none of that makes newt anything but the progressive big government guy that he is. Thomas Sowell and Mark Steyn have both written about this. Some of us will not stop telling the truth about newt. He is just another mccain... he even promised THIS MORNING to run his campaign as mccain did... by not making the election about obama but making it about himself. He will not attack his republican opponents and he will not attack obama... "New Tone" and all of that. This clip was played on Good Morning America this morning and Jake Tapper was the interviewer.

LLS

129 posted on 12/02/2011 8:15:50 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Daffynition

Check FR mail


130 posted on 12/02/2011 8:16:56 AM PST by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: Beagle8U
Go back to nothing but section 8 housing, and gov surplus food that they have to pick up once a month. Good luck trying to sell that for cash.

I would go further. No Section 8 homes in the suburbs. Have soup kitchens in welfare neighborhoods as the only supplement to govt surplus food. As far as the burned out areas in Detroit, bulldoze them level and install trailer parks.

131 posted on 12/02/2011 8:18:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; Goldie Lurks

Let’s hope GL doesn’t read this.

Once in a while, a great-great while, a kid will slip the bonds of poverty and a second class education and make it. Sadly, they are few and far between.


132 posted on 12/02/2011 8:21:47 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: PapaBear3625
Section 8 housing projects should be limited to industrial areas in cities, far away from working families. I don't care who thinks it's cruel, it shouldn't be a fun option.
133 posted on 12/02/2011 8:22:36 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Gipper08

I supported your quest for Mike Pence a while back, and I did like him.

But at some point (I’ve reviewed your post) you have to order off the menu. When absolutely no declared candidate is acceptable to you, then, I don’t know what else to tell you.

I for one am not ready to give up.


134 posted on 12/02/2011 8:25:27 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: Daffynition

Does anyone who’s spent any time with kids from poor nabes deny what Newt says here? Both my wife and i,her more then me, taught desperately poor kids in terrible nabes. These kids had no one in their lives who obtained cash through work. They had zero understanding of the relation of work to achievement, and this showed in their approach to school. I don’t think the govts,city, state, and federal could possibly have enough placements for a 14 or 15 year old to learn work’s value and the unions would scream child labor if they tried, but Newt’s absolutely right about the problem. And if you examine the snotty white OWS kids, I think you’ll find a preponderance who grew up with an absent,divorced father paying the bills and no correlation to dad’s getting up and going to work with the clothes, vacations, tuitions, and Christmas presents.


135 posted on 12/02/2011 8:28:12 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: SouthTexas

As someone who does a fair amount of interviewing for new hires,I can say that the corral may be full, but the herd is thin and scraggly.


136 posted on 12/02/2011 8:31:44 AM PST by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Thanks for the ‘script.

>>Every first generation successful person I know started work early.<<

One thing, these people, largely are *not* first generation folks ...too many have been on welfare for generations.


137 posted on 12/02/2011 8:31:56 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: Daffynition

Why work when mamma gets her check from uncle sugar??


138 posted on 12/02/2011 8:37:40 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Daffynition

“Once in a while, a great-great while, a kid will slip the bonds of poverty and a second class education and make it. Sadly, they are few and far between.”

Not buying into the Dimwits approach/perspective to/of life.


139 posted on 12/02/2011 8:41:44 AM PST by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: xkaydet65

>>if you examine the snotty white OWS kids, I think you’ll find a preponderance who grew up with an absent,divorced father paying the bills<<

The poor I work with, have no bio-father present, and mom is in jail. They are being raised by older sibs and relatives. What we would describe as a *intact family* is not present.

Starting in the teen years, what these kids desperately need is a vocational education [building trades, agriculture, engine repair, culinary, etc.]; instead they are *all* told to go to college. For a long time, kids were steered away from the vocational schools in CT and there aren’t too many of these programs left.


140 posted on 12/02/2011 8:43:51 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: CowboyJay

If you’ll dig deeper into those numbers, you’ll find many segments are doing fine. Get into a “doing fine” segment. There’s enormous hiring going on in South Dakota and other “flyover country” for the full spectrum of jobs - GO THERE.

“But it’s too hard/expensive/annoying/melancholy to leave home and go to icky South Dakota!” Tough. Move. I did (to GA). If moving is too [insert complaint here], then you must have it pretty good where you are. Nobody’s gonna hand you a cushy high-paying do-nothing job.


141 posted on 12/02/2011 8:48:01 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: All

Mayor of Philadelphia rant - go to the 12 - 13 minute mark and listen.


Nutter Takes to Church Podium to Lash Out at Teens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXwCOcBjpbg


142 posted on 12/02/2011 8:48:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Daffynition

BTW, If your playing with a gotcha statement from an individual...Do not care..It is wrong.


143 posted on 12/02/2011 8:51:00 AM PST by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: cripplecreek
I doubt anybody in the race really knows what poor is.

I doubt anybody in this country really knows what poor is.

144 posted on 12/02/2011 8:51:36 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: cripplecreek

If they have cable TV, they’re not poor.


145 posted on 12/02/2011 8:54:00 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Daffynition

In NYC schools vocationals are on a downward trend. There are many new career oriented schools opening, but the positions require academic work beyond HS. Things like journalism, media, finance etc. The old trade schools,except maybe Aviation HS, are falling by the wayside. Yet the city and surrounding areas have a dearth of people who can be carpenters, dry cleaners, plumbers, a/c repair etc. These skills are left to the for profit schools that advertise on afternoon TV, and whose record of success and honesty is not always believable. You’re quite correct about the college for all nonsense. I don’t know how many barely literate 8th graders I saw from Queensbridge Houses who told me they wanted to be a lawyer when it was unlikely they’d ever learn enough to even serve a subpoena.


146 posted on 12/02/2011 9:03:36 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: xkaydet65

Verily, it’s a sad state of affairs in the public schools. We’re in a pendulum shift right now, and as you say, the *for profit* schools are filling that void. Perhaps we’ll live long enough to see a shift in the other direction.

In our state, Pratt & Whitney used to be the largest employer...now it is the casinos. Young men and women with or without a HS degree could get a journeyman job in a tool and die shop and live the American dream with that income. I’m hard pressed to think of a small tool shop I know of anywhere, when they used to dot every corner and back lot.

The times have produced a need, here, for large numbers of workers with rags and window cleaner to wipe down the slot machines; from observation, a lot of these workers are Orientals, probably the *first generation* Newt mentions.

Historically, 75% of the students who reach age 16 in the City of Hartford, CT drop-out of school. The *hooks* that keep them interested in learning, like shop, woodworking, small engine repair, home ec, health, sewing arts have vanished from the curriculum.


147 posted on 12/02/2011 9:38:54 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: GeronL
you're darn right it is not! That's how you get more people that do not want to work.

I'd like to the throttle the people out there that expect the government to "create jobs" or provide jobs and the hustlers that promise them.

148 posted on 12/02/2011 9:48:24 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: Daffynition

Nothing to disagree with ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID0A_N0Hig8


149 posted on 12/02/2011 9:48:30 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: flaglady47

I was talking about Cain, lady


150 posted on 12/02/2011 9:57:09 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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