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Herman Cain 2012 drop-out decision: 'Leaning toward' campaign suspension
Politico ^ | 12/02/11 | Maggie Haberman & Reid Epstein

Posted on 12/02/2011 6:39:28 PM PST by freespirited

Multiple sources familiar with the discussions told POLITICO Friday that Herman Cain is “leaning toward suspending the campaign,” in the words of one, who stressed no decision has been made.

“He’ll probably get out, but nothing’s been decided,” another source said.

The one-time leader in the Republican presidential polls is scheduled to address supporters at the opening of his Georgia state headquarters Saturday. He was set to meet with his wife Friday to discuss the future of his candidacy at the end of a week at which he and aides repeatedly said he was “reassessing” his candidacy.

Cain himself has sounded conflicted about the decision, saying in interviews this week that he was eager to spare his wife and family any further pain. But at events in Michigan, Ohio and South Carolina this week, he’s taken a defiant tone.

The source cited the toll the period that began on Oct. 30 has taken on his family — something Cain has discussed publicly over the last few days.

The two options he’s weighing are “continuing forward with the campaign, or suspending the campaign,” the first source said.

But Cain may still decide to fight, the source added. Either way, Cain has made clear he is not conceding the allegations against him are true, and also that he plans to keep fighting to clear himself somehow, although it’s not clear what form that would take.

What’s also become clear is that some of Cain’s advisers want him to keep going.

Cain’s campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon pushed back on the rumors that the candidate would likely leave the race, saying, “I don’t know where they are getting their information.”

Gordon referred back to Cain’s comments on Fox News on Thursday night that he’d make a decision by Monday and at a town hall on Friday, where he said he’d announce his future plans on Saturday.

“I don’t have anything to add from what Mr. Cain said in Rock Hill, S.C., and on the Sean Hannity program,” Gordon said.

Cain aides were preparing for a campaign through the Iowa caucuses as recently as Thursday night, when the candidate’s Iowa chairman Steve Grubbs says he met with campaign manager Mark Block in Des Moines. Grubbs said they even submitted a campaign mobile app to Apple for approval on Friday.

Cain’s schedule is filled well into next week, with plans to campaign in Oklahoma on Monday and to speak at the Republican Jewish Coalition forum on Wednesday. The national campaign also just launched the Women for Herman Cain group, naming Cain’s wife Gloria, as its head.

“We were planning the campaign for the rest of the month. We have a lot of work to do,” Grubbs said. “We’ve got all sorts of things going on, so I would be real disappointed if he did drop out.”


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; cainscandals; enemedia; gopprimary; hermancain; politico; pollutico; quitter
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To: BagCamAddict

Thanks for the links. I’m bandwidth challenged right now so I’ll take your word for it.


101 posted on 12/02/2011 8:38:11 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: musicman

That one’s pretty accurate too, I think.


102 posted on 12/02/2011 8:38:20 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: plain talk

Because it’s so rocking-good fun to laugh about innocent men being butchered in front of our very eyes.


103 posted on 12/02/2011 8:39:58 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Tzar
Otherwise, who's better, Perry or Santorum?

This is a level, right? Those two guys' poll numbers combined are still less than Cain's, even after his five weeks of relentless pummeling. If either of those guys somehow miraculously gets the nomination, it's all hail Obama for another four years.

104 posted on 12/02/2011 8:40:29 PM PST by kevao
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To: butterdezillion

>> You think and act like an Obot.

That’s a rather vacuous and unfounded accusation.

So... you’re a preacher’s wife? Does the preacher know how his beloved spends her time? Would he approve of your groundless name calling? Does it manifest Christian love, as Scripture dictates?

How do *you* feel about that? Does it bother you when you go to worship? Do you do any thinking about your role as a Christian wife and Christian example during worship (or at any other time)?


105 posted on 12/02/2011 8:43:13 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: montag813

Great read!


106 posted on 12/02/2011 8:44:17 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: butterdezillion
For many people on this forum, as you have seen, yes, that makes your husband an adulterer. Amazing, huh?

You are citing the exact same circumstances as Ginger White. (In fact, is that the woman's name who keeps bothering your husband? ;-)

Ginger White is alleging much more happened, but offers absolutely no proof. Not a single photograph in 13 years. Not a single plane ticket stub. Not a single card or letter. Maybe she will produce tawdry emails at some point, but there has been no mention of emails so far. No stained blue dress. No love child. Etc.

13 years, and nothing to prove her case, other than her word? Sorry, she has already lost a no-contest case of libel or slander (can't remember which). Unless she shows us proof, I'm not buying it.

And for anyone who didn't see Lin Wood's interview with Piers Morgan the other night... Wood was mad, mad, mad at this whole mess. “Five lies do not make one truth.” I can't wait for him to rain down fire and hell on all of the parties involved in this smear campaign.

107 posted on 12/02/2011 8:50:36 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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To: chris37

Feel the same way... It’s time to abandon the GOP they are just like the Democrats. We can’t use the term RINO anymore since that seems to be the Norm of the GOP.

Think about it. McCain, and now Gingrich or Romney....

Like I said RINOS are the norm.

Time for the Tea Party to Organize.

Hey GOP you are like Crabs in a bucket.


108 posted on 12/02/2011 8:52:11 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Nervous Tick

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, it quite matches my Lord, who called the Pharisees “white-washed tombs” because of the way they laid heavy burdens on people without lifting a finger to help.

I feel fine about it. When I go to worship I ask God to do whatever He wants with me and with my world, to forgive the sins I know and the sins I don’t know, and to somehow make all my blunders wise. And then I trust Him to do it.

As to whether I feel guilty about saying you think and act like an Obot, I say that as clinically as if I was saying you appear to have a ringworm. I have dealt extensively with Obots. They have a totally different epistemology.

They latch onto “gotcha” details like “Have you stopped beating your wife yet” while refusing to really hear what a person says.

They gloat about how smart and/or ethical they are compared to the low-lifes they are talking to.

They say things that are based sheerly on conjecture and with an apparent intent to inflame (such as “Cain admitted that he paid off a bimbo for 13 years and didn’t tell his wife”, deny and/or ignore the facts that are presented to refute what they’ve said, and then claim that their opponent is arguing mere conjecture.

They assume that anybody who doesn’t like or agree with Obama isn’t giving him the “benefit of the doubt” - even if that person has spent literally thousands of hours dealing with the lies and crimes of both Obama and the lawless folks in government offices covering for him.

I’m rural enough that I can tell a horse from a cow just by sillouhette, and I’ve dealt with the arguments of Obots long enough to do the same with them. I can recognize a donkey’s sillhouette by now.


109 posted on 12/02/2011 8:54:37 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

yeah, me too.

Craptastic, country filled with craptastic people deserve a craptastic president.


110 posted on 12/02/2011 8:55:46 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

You have to admit that the affairs are not the only problem for Cain. He placed a lot of doubts into people’s minds after his dismal performance in that newspaper editorial board interview. He was totally lost in answering the simplest questions on foreign policy related to current events. The affairs circus just tipped a lot of people over the edge.

Don’t play victim blaming everyone but the guy in charge of his own campaign. That is what Democrats do. Mr. Cain had everything to do with what has happened in in Mr. Cain’s campaign. He’s not ready for prime time and we can afford to play around with Mr. Confused this election.


112 posted on 12/02/2011 8:56:43 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Randy2u

Yeah, randy, I have lost respect, and I have lost my ability to care at all what happens to this country.


113 posted on 12/02/2011 8:58:39 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Lou Budvis

Why should I?


114 posted on 12/02/2011 8:58:48 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: butterdezillion

>> When I go to worship I ask God to do whatever He wants with me and with my world, to forgive the sins I know and the sins I don’t know, and to somehow make all my blunders wise. And then I trust Him to do it.

You’re a fine piece of work, sister. May God help you with your conceit and naivete, and then you’ll be perfect.


115 posted on 12/02/2011 8:59:39 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: GloriaJane

Me too, Gloria, me too.

And slow burn is about the perfect description for what’s going on in me ><


116 posted on 12/02/2011 8:59:39 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: A'elian' nation

Well, I ‘m here in florida. Some might describe it as an important swing state, went blue last time, and I don’t think I’m going to lift a finger to try and prevent that this time.


117 posted on 12/02/2011 9:01:20 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Gator113

Negative, gator, I’m not going to try decaf, I’m just going to let conservatives do whatever the Hell it is they decide to do without me.

Herman quits, I quit, that is all.


118 posted on 12/02/2011 9:04:07 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: BagCamAddict

I’ve been hoping that the lawyer can get to the bottom of where this is coming from and cause some heads to roll.

Right now it’s a he-said-she-said but her former business partner has said that the libel suit should tell everybody all they need to know about White’s credibility. The tactics of the left are to not worry about consequences for lies, because they have the money to buy off justice, and all they care is that the damage is done BEFORE the truth can be found out. If we “conservatives” let them get away with that, then we deserve everything we get, and we will definitely get it.


119 posted on 12/02/2011 9:04:16 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Sprite518

Agreed completely, sprite.

RINO has no meaning. They are all republicans.

It is I who am not.


120 posted on 12/02/2011 9:05:00 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SaraJohnson

Maybe he was tired from having to fend of this ridiculous non stop bullsh!t, sara.

How would you handle your personal destruction at the hands of liars, sara?

Think it might throw you off your game a bit?

I do.


121 posted on 12/02/2011 9:07:45 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Nervous Tick

God is dealing with my imperfections, one of which I’ll confess right here and right now.

Proverbs says that only a fool would argue with a fool, and I need to confess my foolishness. It’s something my husband reminds me about all the time. I haven’t yet learned to accept in my heart that a fool will no more change than a leopard can change his spots. I keep thinking there’s hope even for mockers/fools, but then Jesus said that if a person won’t believe the prophets they wouldn’t even believe if someone came back from the dead. He knows there are people who are beyond reasoning with.


122 posted on 12/02/2011 9:11:06 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Nervous Tick
When you get the bandwidth, you may or may not want to watch those videos. Have a barf bag handy.

She seems believable on the videos. (Not credible, but believable.) But there is zero evidence, other than her words. No photos, no receipts, no cards/letters, no nothing to show 13 years of a relationship. It's bizarre. Very bizarre.

Personally, I'm of the “innocent until proven guilty” mindset. Another few days or weeks of withholding judgment isn't going to kill us.

124 posted on 12/02/2011 9:15:05 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Hypocrite, please explain what is there to respond to in your posts? You insult us, I insult you back. Live with it, troll.


125 posted on 12/02/2011 9:15:30 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: freespirited

Well, we already know that he’d be happy serving as Romney’s VP... so maybe Romney finally asked him?


126 posted on 12/02/2011 9:17:53 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Westbrook
I don’t think I can vote for Gingrich in good conscience.

Now that is selfish. Forget who ends up as the conservative against obama, deserves the vote of every GOOD conservative. Hole your nose if you need to!

2 to 3 Supremes will be replaced in the term of the next president. We have already seen they type Obama would put on the court. So the goal for every conservative is to keep any more sodamajors or kegals off the court.

So this election, fight for the best, but in the end vote for ANY CONSERVATIVE who is our candidate against obama. This election, put aside silly childish "votes or stands on principle" and vote for SCOTUS! No you are not given your vote to "use as you see fit" You need to vote for the BEST conservative candidate who goes against obama.

If you believe in the republic the founders left us in trust, then act like it. If necessary, forget about everything but SCOTUS! If everyone who stayed home "to make a statement" of who "they would not vote for", had gone out and voted.. we would NOT even have obama. When it comes down to it, for those who can't be part of the team, are not a true anything. Losers eventually do die alone.

So if you stayed home last election you in effect actively choose obama. That is very sad, and selfish. Read my tag line and it will be worse if obama is elected again. So go out and vote SCOTUS!
127 posted on 12/02/2011 9:20:42 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: meatloaf

I am hoping he comes out fighting tomorrow too. This piece does not point to him quitting.

If he fights on, his donations should go up.


128 posted on 12/02/2011 9:22:26 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: SaraJohnson

Well, regarding Libya.... Ghadaffi was a brute but he was a brute who supported US anti-terrorism efforts. He has been replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood, just like Ghadaffi warned the west would happen. The Middle East is aflame with Islamists taking over all the countries that had been our allies in the war against terror, just at the time that Iran is getting functional nukes.

What would I say about Libya? I would say Libyans are worse off now than they were before and the world is worse off now than it was before. I would say the fire raging in the Middle East is deadly and it comes as a result of what Obama had told the Egyptian ambassador: that he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda - which I understand to be the destruction of the US and Israel and the establishment of a worldwide caliphate under sharia.

You know what would have happened to Cain if he had said those things, given what the media has been trying to get us to think about Libya?

He had a strategic issue right there. Do you say what’s true but totally politically incorrect, or do you say what people are able to hear for the time being? Do you say what you feel in your gut or do you say what you can document? Do you wait to say the truth until after you can document it, or do you say what you think and then get blasted for making “unsubstantiated accusations”?

A kid at school asked me today whether I think Bin Laden is dead. All I could say was, “They say he is but we haven’t been shown any proof one way or another. He’s probably dead but I really can’t say for sure.”

I’m sure you would call me “Mrs Confused” because of that. Well, I hate to tell you this, but in a world where your government is caught in one lie after another while hiding everything they can possibly hide, being confused is the only reasonable response for somebody with an evidence-based epistemology - which is the epistemology Cain displayed when he was grilled over whether or not a person is born gay. He said the science doesn’t show that.

Well, the evidence on Libya doesn’t really shout out that US actions in Libya were either lawful or helpful. So what’s a person supposed to say about it? What would you say about it?


129 posted on 12/02/2011 9:25:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: JSteff

What’s so good about “conservative”?

Please tell me, because right now, I could not care less what happens in 2012 if I tried.

No conservative stood up for this man, why the Hell should I stand up for conservatives?

Why the HELL should ANYONE stand up for conservatives?


130 posted on 12/02/2011 9:25:46 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Chris, there is no conservative Republican who does not exist without a constant barrage of arrows slug at them by liberals. They are racists, slanderers and scapegoaters. That is just the way it is, Chris.

That is what Reagan put up with. Newt put up with it. Perry puts up with it. Michelle Bauchmann...Sarah Palin...anyone who is not a pc socialist like Romney or McCain is absolutely hated. I despise that they do this to good people but they do it every time. Some conservatives rise in spite of it and some are flummoxed and defeated by it. All are hurt by it because it is evil.

Mr. Cain was not born yesterday. I am sure he knew what was going to come at a Black conservative man. It’s still shocking to be the brunt of liberal public ridicule and hate.


131 posted on 12/02/2011 9:28:29 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: BagCamAddict
1. Conservative values, not flip-flopping.

You really ought to sit down and actually break out what you believe are conservative values... and then find a candidate that has a record on the specifics.

Just hearing the buzzwords 'conservative values' is meaningless... and if that's your criteria, then you aren't really doing conservativism any favors.

My biggest 'conservative values' are: small government, minimal federal regulations, and strong states' rights.

And you?

132 posted on 12/02/2011 9:29:48 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Nervous Tick

No but it does get kind of irritating to hear idiots twisting his words.

Cindie


133 posted on 12/02/2011 9:39:17 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: Lou Budvis

Where did he (or even she for that matter) say he gave her money for 13 years? I heard they’ve known each other for 13 years but not that he was paying her. Can you provide a link?

Cindie


134 posted on 12/02/2011 9:41:39 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: butterdezillion

Mr. Cain needed to say what is true about Libya and talk around the media to the American people. Like you said, if the “arab spring” results in Libya and the other nations ending up in the hands of radical Islam through the Muslim Brotherhood, from the US point of view, Lybia and the Middle East in general, is worse off with the regime change.

Mr. Cain did not know the answer and could therefore, not express the answer. But nice spin. :)


135 posted on 12/02/2011 9:45:46 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: gogogodzilla
Same three that you said. But I am a strong fiscal conservative. Everything about money going to the government is of concern to me. Balance the budget, reduce the waste, minimize the entitlement programs, stop the ponzi schemes, stop the corrupt money flow, etc.

I am much less socially conservative. That's why any affair doesn't matter to me. I'm not married to the guy. If anyone cheats on their wife, that's his burden to bear, and his wife's burden. And it's up to them to decide if their marriage can survive. I care about what I want a President to accomplish. A President can be having 7 whores a week for lunch dates for all I care, as long as he does the job I am hiring him to do.

But for the record, my list of three things wasn't MY list of three things. I was merely point out that everyone who is ready to lynch Cain needs to be careful what they ask for. If they push Cain out, what are they left with, and will they like their remaining choices?

It's a “win the battle vs. win the war” kind of thing. It may be great to sit on a high horse and say “I would never vote for a man who cheated on his wife.” But if that means we are stuck with Obama.... well, I for one would take the guy who cheated on his wife, rather than be stuck with Obama for 4 more years. I want to win the war, not the battle.

136 posted on 12/02/2011 9:46:03 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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To: JSteff
2 or 3 Seats on the SCOTUS. Haa if you think that is a reason.

SOCIALIST Dems or Socialist RINO. The only difference is the amount on years it takes to kill this Great country.

At best we got 2 or 3 years left. Disaster with the Euro might give us an additional 1 or 2 years provided we dont try to play savior to the world. If we do then we may not get to 2012.

If we took EVERY single cent of the GDP 14.5 trillion for 2010 we could not payoff the Federal Debt. The majority of Congress/Senate Dems and Republicans alike answer is to talk and pontificate blame each other. All the while the line their pockets and print more money.

THIS IS OUR LAST SHOT TO SAVE THE COUNTRY. ITS NOW TODAY OR NEVER.

IMHO

137 posted on 12/02/2011 9:46:05 PM PST by Bailee
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To: Nervous Tick; butterdezillion

What an ass! Seriously, if this isn’t a perfect example of the pot and the kettle I don’t know what is! Well except that butter is neither. I read neither conceit nor naivety in her words. Just trust in the Lord. You’re really a piece of work.

Cindie


138 posted on 12/02/2011 9:52:12 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: SaraJohnson

Which of the candidates has articulated that view on Libya? I’ve missed a lot of what has been said so that is an honest question; I honestly don’t know what views on Libya have been expressed by the candidates.

Cain didn’t know the right view on Israel but when he was educated he got it right - even to the point of attending a rally in Israel to support Israel without any fanfare or anybody even knowing he was there. Ignorance can be corrected pretty easily; I’m not too worried about that, if the heart is right.


139 posted on 12/02/2011 9:56:12 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: freespirited

Of course it is...you don’t ask your donors and supporters to travel to Atlanta to hear you tell them you are going to stay the course.


140 posted on 12/02/2011 9:56:42 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Bryanw92
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You're absolutely correct about the MSM and RINOs ...


However, in this (specific) case ... my man Herman Cain SCREWED-UP big-time ...

What kind of an arrogant, "honorable" Husband gives "family income" away to strangers (even for good intentions) and DOESN'T TELL HIS WIFE ?


None. Period.



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141 posted on 12/02/2011 9:58:20 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: gardencatz

Thanks for reading me right. I know my faults. I also know my God is bigger than my faults. I figure if He could speak through an ass, I must still be qualified also. lol


142 posted on 12/02/2011 9:59:40 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

No, but it puts your husband on dangerous ground.


143 posted on 12/02/2011 10:02:13 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: BagCamAddict
What are you talking about?

Hasn't Cain admitted knowing her and giving her money without his wife's knowledge?

144 posted on 12/02/2011 10:04:00 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Well, thank you for calling my sweet, humble, generous, and faithful husband an arrogant “honorable” husband because he hasn’t told me every person he ever counseled and/or helped out financially in a pinch.

People have no clue what it’s like to be in a pastor’s family. They just don’t. I started posting about what it’s like at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2814962/posts?page=134#134


145 posted on 12/02/2011 10:06:29 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: fortheDeclaration

What are YOU talking about?

Yes, he has admitted knowing her and giving her money without his wife’s knowledge.

What’s your point?

Follow the thread.


146 posted on 12/02/2011 10:06:37 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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To: BagCamAddict
I have followed the thread, so, your stressing the lack of various items means nothing.

Whatever happened between them, he kept it a secret from his wife for 13 years, which in and of itself is worthy of being condemned as being dishonest.

147 posted on 12/02/2011 10:09:18 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: SaraJohnson

Sara, I am very much aware of what the left and the media does to conservatives.

What I wasn’t aware of is what conservatives do to conservatives. That is what is shocking to me.

What saddens me the most about this entire situation is that Herman survived stage IV cancer just to have this experience, just to be destoryed by human filth, and to have the people that he wanted to help turn on him and turn their backs on him.

what I want to tell conservatives, generally speaking because there were some who did stand for him, but sadly we were few in number, is this.

Stand alone against your enemy as you made Herman do.


148 posted on 12/02/2011 10:09:24 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Loving people always puts us on dangerous ground. The only safe action is to do nothing. The greatest, most loving, and wisest Man the earth has ever seen was hung on a pole for everybody to spit on until He died. It wasn’t Safe Friday; it was GOOD Friday. Loving means risk.

Somebody in a previous conversation today said that no man gives money without expecting something in return. I have never heard anything so cynical in my life. That’s saying that there is no man on earth who has real love. Wow, what an indictment of the people in that poster’s life.

We’ve seen self-serving cads in office for a long time, but to believe that real love doesn’t exist at all is a very, very sad thing.


149 posted on 12/02/2011 10:14:18 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: fortheDeclaration
Then I propose that you have read the thread, but you have not followed it.

On this thread, we have firsthand witness posts by a Preacher's Wife, who has said her husband has done the exact same thing as Cain: Given financial support to a woman, without the wife's knowledge, for over a 2 year period of time.

That doesn't make him dishonest.

Do you tell your spouse about every act of charity that you do? Do you tell your spouse when you tip a waitress 50% or 100% instead of 15-20%? That is a charitable act to a female, without informing your spouse. Does that make you dishonest?

What you misread in others is merely a reflection of your mind.

Apparently your mind is corrupt. Mine is not. Innocent until proven guilty. I can wait a few days or weeks for facts or evidence to come out, not just her word, with ZERO proof of anything other than texts, mostly from her, and a single phone call. ONE phone call in all of October and November. Probably initiated by her. Wow... what a guilty man!

150 posted on 12/02/2011 10:15:26 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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