Skip to comments.Herman Cain 2012 drop-out decision: 'Leaning toward' campaign suspension
Posted on 12/02/2011 6:39:28 PM PST by freespirited
Multiple sources familiar with the discussions told POLITICO Friday that Herman Cain is leaning toward suspending the campaign, in the words of one, who stressed no decision has been made.
Hell probably get out, but nothings been decided, another source said.
The one-time leader in the Republican presidential polls is scheduled to address supporters at the opening of his Georgia state headquarters Saturday. He was set to meet with his wife Friday to discuss the future of his candidacy at the end of a week at which he and aides repeatedly said he was reassessing his candidacy.
Cain himself has sounded conflicted about the decision, saying in interviews this week that he was eager to spare his wife and family any further pain. But at events in Michigan, Ohio and South Carolina this week, hes taken a defiant tone.
The source cited the toll the period that began on Oct. 30 has taken on his family something Cain has discussed publicly over the last few days.
The two options hes weighing are continuing forward with the campaign, or suspending the campaign, the first source said.
But Cain may still decide to fight, the source added. Either way, Cain has made clear he is not conceding the allegations against him are true, and also that he plans to keep fighting to clear himself somehow, although its not clear what form that would take.
Whats also become clear is that some of Cains advisers want him to keep going.
Cains campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon pushed back on the rumors that the candidate would likely leave the race, saying, I dont know where they are getting their information.
Gordon referred back to Cains comments on Fox News on Thursday night that hed make a decision by Monday and at a town hall on Friday, where he said hed announce his future plans on Saturday.
I dont have anything to add from what Mr. Cain said in Rock Hill, S.C., and on the Sean Hannity program, Gordon said.
Cain aides were preparing for a campaign through the Iowa caucuses as recently as Thursday night, when the candidates Iowa chairman Steve Grubbs says he met with campaign manager Mark Block in Des Moines. Grubbs said they even submitted a campaign mobile app to Apple for approval on Friday.
Cains schedule is filled well into next week, with plans to campaign in Oklahoma on Monday and to speak at the Republican Jewish Coalition forum on Wednesday. The national campaign also just launched the Women for Herman Cain group, naming Cains wife Gloria, as its head.
We were planning the campaign for the rest of the month. We have a lot of work to do, Grubbs said. Weve got all sorts of things going on, so I would be real disappointed if he did drop out.
Pastors dont tell people the stuff they give because its between them and God, and the Bible says not to do stuff to get praise from people but to not let your right hand know what the left is doing.”
Believers and Unbelivers are like wheat in the field. Believers with their “heads bowed” in humbleness not looking for praise or rewards for their actions.
UnBelievers with their “heads held high” looking for praise for every single thing they do.
Sounds like we have a lot of Un-Believers on here otherwise why would people care so much that he did not tell his wife.
If she has his personal cell phone number and he has hers then it’s a big red flag, especially with a whole lot of texting going on at all times of the day and night.
The difference with the woman in your example and Cain’s friend is it seems the woman went to the ministerial alliance and other churches for help. The Cain woman was kept secret for 13 years. Surely you can see the difference?
I don't care what anyone says.
Dealing with a woman on a personal basis is not the same as giving to a charity, so stop talking nonsense.
Clearly, you haven't read in the Bible where it says that we ought not to even give the APPEARANCE of evil (1Thess.5)
He is running for the top job in the world. If he can’t handle the vetting of a primary race how the hell do you think he would handle a real crisis?
He hasn’t had to have his past publicly examined before because he has never held public office. You need to turn off the computer, news, and noise of the political race and get some fresh perspective as it seems you are really heavily emotionally invested.
He admits that he knows her, admits he gave her money and admits his wife didn't know about her.
What else is there to know about?
Correction Change UnBelivers to Make believers. The Worst kind.
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Either I am having a hard time understanding you, because you aren’t using complete sentences, or you are intentionally leaving out words and expecting me to read your mind.
What are you talking about?
Conversely, guilty of what?
It has nothing to do with being 'self serving', the fact is no minister of the church should leave himself and the church vulnerable to accusations of wrong doing.
That is what is burning Cain now.
He is guilty of hiding something from his wife that she should have known about.
There are people who call our home straight from the phone book without ever going to the Ministerial Association. If my husband isn’t home at the time I give them his cell phone number. His cellphone is owned by the church and he has it so that he can always be available; it’s not a secret in any way. Somebody could call our home, get me on the phone, and get my husband’s cellphone number - and I might never know who they were, what they wanted to talk to him about, or what came of it.
And usually it’s not because my husband is specifically hiding anything from me, although sometimes he has to hide things from me because he can’t break confidence with the person he counseled. Most of the times it’s just that we’re busy and he doesn’t have time to tell me every detail of his day. I think sometimes he feels like he’s a sucker so he doesn’t want to tell me about it. lol. But then, I feel like a sucker when I buy plywood or embroidery floss for my after-school job and would rather not tell him about that too. lol. (Dave Ramsey will cure us both, I’m sure. lol)
I am interested in how White was involved with the National Restaurant Association. Seems like all these women were from that time period and they all thought that Cain would help them out of the goodness of his heart - which wouldn’t be the case if he was known as a womanizer. Instead, that picture fits with what a poster here who has lived in Atlanta for 20 years has said Cain’s reputation has always been until these allegations - that he is a generous person. Which is what his wife says about him also, and what he says was the reason for giving White financial help.
There are people who will see evil even in the Son of God having his feet washed by a penitent woman. Could you imagine what Politico would say about Cain having his feet washed and dried by the tears and hair of a woman? lol.
But that was the Son of God - the sinless one, who alone is able to love perfectly and purely.
And the Pharisees called Him a friend of prostitutes and tax collectors. “Doesn’t He know what kind of a woman is touching him?”
For some reason the Son of God cared more about helping that woman than about helping Himself and His own reputation. Would He meet the test of what it means to “not even give the appearance of evil”?
Just talking alone with the Samaritan woman at the well would have put Jesus WAY on the bad side of the society He lived in. It didn’t stop Him. Why do you think that is? Didn’t He care that He could be giving somebody a reason to think badly of Him?
Which 2 1/2 years was it that Cain helped White financially? Do we know?
Pretty much what I expect him to try to do. He’s opening a new headquarters tomorrow according to several sources - who opens an HQ on the day that they’re announcing a campaign suspension?
Beyond that, if Cain is to have any hope at all, he’s going to have to spend the entirety of the next month in Iowa and South Carolina. There’s absolutely zero reason for him to be spending any time, especially in FRIGGIN’ DECEMBER, in Ohio or Oklahoma or Alabama. That shows a fundamental lack of understanding for how this whole thing works.
I’m done with this conversation with a brick wall.
Mr. Cain stated that he never texted her at 4:30 am. Perhaps she texted him at 4:30 am because she was in some crisis and needed help.
But it doesn’t matter does it?
The seeds of doubt were sewn, and they grew in your mind.
Any of the women who have been helped by my husband could falsely claim that he was paying them for services rendered. That just goes with the territory. That’s why we have libel laws - to protect against that kind of thing. It would be a he-said-she-said thing.
Most situations go through the Ministerial Association. But sometimes they are out of money, have already given their limit for that person, or aren’t available at the time. In those instances when the crisis doesn’t fall neatly into the schedule, my husband has to make a choice, knowing that whatever he does to the least of these, he does to the Lord.
If the Lord needed gas to get to work in the morning so the family could become self-sustaining, and you were the only person around to help, would you do it? And then who would you go tell all about your act of charity? Again, most of the time my husband tells me but not all the time, depending on how busy we are.
He didn't say he "paid her off". He said he gave her money(and there was no time period mentioned either), there is a world of difference. I guess you are like a dimwit and the truth is just something you use when it suits you.
I have given people, some of them women, money before and didn't tell my wife because it was my spending money and we didn't tell each other how we spent our walking around money and it was of no consequence. Using your criteria, I "paid these people off".
So, this is the vetting process?
Being personally destoryed?
When was Obama personally destroyed?
When are the other GOP candidates going to be personally destroyed?
Do not tell me what I need to do, I’m going to tell you what I’m going to do.
I’m going to make you and those like you stand alone against your enemy like you made Herman do.
Draw and quarter him then.
My husband refers whenever he can. But church resources are very limited. Our church has hardly anything in a social welfare fund, and they will only use it for members. Members don’t come to Pastor for help; non-members do.
The Ministerial Association functions only on donations, and by summer they were full out of funds. They had a fund-raiser (the first they’ve ever had) to help raise funds this fall. But in that between time, my husband knew there weren’t any funds to use so it was pointless to ask. And the Ministerial Association has a limit on how much they will pitch in for any one person/family. I think it’s $50 a year. That doesn’t pay an electric bill, which is what a lot of the people who ask for help need help with. When you see that the economy is doing badly, what that means for a pastor is that there will be weekly requests for help and not many donations to cover those requests. A soft-hearted person has a hard time turning away people in real need, and lots of pastors are soft-hearted guys who want to do for others what they would gladly do for Jesus. That’s just a fact.
My husband is the vice-president of the local Lions Club but they don’t have much money either and their money has to be allocated at their meetings which are about once a month - and mostly go toward the corporate projects and a few local projects. Not to individuals.
Just so long as you know what your values/beliefs are.
There are far too many here that are flitting from candidate to candidate looking for a ‘savior’. Which tells me that they have no idea what their values/beliefs even are... as the candidates actually have differences.
A good example is seeing all the Cain supporters start to flock around Newt. I mean, just how conservative is a person if they can switch over to Newt?
Another thing that factors in here is that Cain considered this gal a friend. A friend he knew from the NRA. I’ve got friends from work that I have pitched in to help. A good friend of mine would die before she would ask a church for help. But I’m her friend, and she would be able to receive help from me just as she would be glad to give help to me if the tables were turned. That’s what friendship is. I have guys I work with where it’s the same way.
Most the time I would tell my husband, but it might depend on how busy we are and how much I pitched in. We know and trust each other’s discretion after 20 years of marriage. We see eye-to-eye on stuff like that. Mostly we do what we can and trust that somehow God will provide for our needs also. And He always has.
It would seem some people have a hard time dealing with that simple fact, it is at the very least, extremely poor judgment on his part.
The fact is that Cain hid this from his wife for 13 years and destroyed his own credibility.
So I guess I was clear enough this time?
Libel laws can't undue the damage done to one's reputation.
Giving gas money to an individual is one thing, giving money to a woman for 13 years is something else.
You clearly have a hard time with context.
If Cain is out, I am writing in Palin.
The rest don’t even deserve to be in the same paragraph as the word conservative.
Anyone who doesn’t like my opinion, you can’t change my my, so don’t bother trying.
I know how you feel... The biggest detractors are the Perry cheerleaders infecting every thread, no matter who the candidate. I despise that candidate so much now for all of the trash(talk) and hypocrisy they throw into almost any and every non-perry thread.
At least the romney-bots are leashed and purged when needed.. the paul-tards are much more tame...
Well, sorry for the rant.. (this has been building up for a couple of months).. :/
This guy has a history....period...
And remember, he couldn't even win an election in his home state.
Palin folks jumped over to Cain...just because
And the National Restaurant Association is nothing more than a biggy lobby group.
Congrats on the kids, I’m envious. Glad to know you’ll vote and I have the same fears, but I don’t worry about a RINO in the WH. For the vast majority of time they’ve been Dems or RINOs.
I just know we have to get rid of Obama. Toward that end we should work hard to elect the most conservative candidate we can during the primaries and I’d vote for Romney v. Obama any day. FReepers who pretend there’s no difference are foolish.
That said, the real check on power is a strong, knowledgeable base like us coupled with control of the House and Senate. We didn’t get here in one fell swoop. This is the culmination of generations of bad policy and I don’t expect to get out of it in one move.
Use gun control or abortion as our model - slow, steady, factual change. We need to recapture education from the Left. We’re making a dent in the media, big time. The word is getting out and there’s no conservative like an ex-liberal. They know all the lies and all the moves and won’t tolerate it.
According to what I read, Cain admitted his wife didn’t know about this woman.
>>What kind of an arrogant, “honorable” Husband gives “family income” away to strangers (even for good intentions) and DOESN’T TELL HIS WIFE ?
I do, and I probably don’t make 1/10th of Herman Cain’s salary. Did Cain’s family do without anything because of his generosity? She may even have a career and money of her own. Quite a few two-income families keep personal finances separate and then maintain a “family” account for paying bills.
Cain is the victim of an attack dog media who will use every little piece of history they can dig up, to destroy anyone that could derail America’s rush to Marxism. He’s also the victim of the American People, who think everything is a reality show and when a person is portrayed as a villain on TV, we boo them without any thought.
The only mistake Cain made was to think he could get between the US and it’s inevitable socialist/communist/third-world fate.
If he waits till 2012, he can get federal matching funds. Not sure what kind of shape his campaign is in, but there was a period where I heard several of his ads a week on the radio here in Pgh, PA.
Wow, you really have your facts messed up pall.
You must have missed the NRA’s statement that supported Cain’s version of things.
There was a complaint (Kraushaar), it was investigated internally and found without merit and this woman was let go with an agreement and no where did they say it was a harrassment settlement agreement - but FReeprs like you ran with that meme. Cain was never even party to that agreement.
Apparently L. Lin Wood’s investigation has turned up more, because he is confirming it was a termination agreement, not “hush money”.
Second, and I hate to burst your bubble here too, there is no proof there even WAS a second agreement. The NRA did not confirm that. All we have on that is Politico had a 3rd party source on another woman but she (if she even exists) never came forward. So until we have confirmation on the NRA that there was a 2nd complaint, then I’m not buying it, sorry.
Because that is another case of: but so and so heard so and so made a complaint! And it sounds like you fell for that too.
I wrote about how, as an attorney, I can call the settlement anything that the two attorneys agree to call it. If I'm the woman and I'm settling without going public, I don't care what it's called. If I'm leaving the company, I don't care if it's called severance or a termination without cause. That's only an issue with respect to unemployment benefits.
If I'm the company, of course I don't want to call the agreement a settlement of a sexual harassment claim - because then I can say in attorney weasel words that the company didn't pay to settle sexual harassment. My clients have settled many of claim of different kinds without calling them what they actually were. Haven't yours?
And do you really think the company is going to admit sexual harassment? Of course its internal investigations on paper showed no merit. That's why they paid a full year's salary (yeah, right; that's *always* done when there's no merit). If you have a paper trail where you *found* merit to sexual harassment claims, do you realize how much more money other claims that result in a lawsuit and go to discovery are worth?
Sounds like you fell for it and don't understand how the game is played. You ran with the meme.
Certainly, you make a reasoned argument, unlike the vast swathes of ad-hominem so casually tossed about in here.
My oldest son and I were going around on this. Are we voting for the lesser evil, or for the greater good?
Rhetorical, I know. Depends on your perspective. It’s hard not to get cynical, though.