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First, they came for our 100-watt bulbs
NEW YORK POST ^ | December 1, 2011 | CLAUDIA ROSETT

Posted on 12/02/2011 11:37:19 PM PST by george76

Include me among those crazed Americans who can’t walk into Home Depot, Target or my local grocery store right now without wanting to grab a king-sized shopping cart and stuff it to the gunwales with 100-watt incandescent light bulbs.

Maybe it’s the sheer thrill of buying bulbs that in just a month, as of Jan. 1, 2012, will be banned for sale in America. What fun, in this incandescent twilight, to acquire legally what the federal government will soon treat as contraband. Or maybe it’s that gut sense that with the dollar teetering, those beloved old 100-watt bulbs will at least provide a decent store of value, even if all I do is use them to read by for the rest of my life.

First the 100-watt incandescents will vanish from the shelves. Then the 75-watt, the 60-watt and 40-watt...

Presumably, federal authorities will now be spending US tax dollars (excuse me — “creating jobs”) to deploy light-bulb cops.

For decades, America has been the world’s beacon of freedom. Yet here we are, wards of the nanny state, with politicians dictating that even that prime symbol of American ingenuity, Thomas Edison’s incandescent light bulb, shall be regulated into oblivion. All this has been ably exposed as an act of crony capitalism, designed to enrich manufacturers who prefer to sell pricier light bulbs that a lot of Americans, if free to choose, prefer not to buy.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: envirowhackos; freedom; incandescent; lightbulbs; nannystate; radicalleft
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1 posted on 12/02/2011 11:37:21 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

About 6 months ago I bought three hundred 100W bulbs online for $0.79 each.
I also stocked up on reflector bulbs for my ceilings and 3 ways for my bedside lamps.


2 posted on 12/02/2011 11:41:41 PM PST by MistrX
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To: LucyT; neverdem

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival.

There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

— Winston Churchill


3 posted on 12/02/2011 11:45:06 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
I've read quite a few diatribes attempting to mitigate the real danger of heavy metal poisoning. I do indeed hate liars.
4 posted on 12/02/2011 11:51:48 PM PST by allmost (?)
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To: george76

There will be a thriving black market from Mexico and Canada.

What else would one expect?


5 posted on 12/02/2011 11:59:19 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: george76

About 10 years ago I went on an energy saving kick, and changed out most of the bulbs in the house to florescents. Now, for every one of the damn things that crap out on us, there’s a mini celebration! What an annoying, off color, awful light comes out of them!


6 posted on 12/03/2011 12:08:31 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: QBFimi
The cfls are blatantly inferior. Color alone should be enough to tell most people with healthy vision. The ‘warm up’ is an added bonus.
7 posted on 12/03/2011 12:14:15 AM PST by allmost
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To: george76

It probably wasn’t causative but many of us in the Fed or the military blamed the mid-1970s energy consciousness for the decline of our vision as they loosened or removed every other fluorescent tube from our overhead lighting. I began wearing glasses in 1976.


8 posted on 12/03/2011 12:16:50 AM PST by jimfree (In Nov 2012 Herman Cain will have more relevant and quality executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: george76
Decorative 400 watt space heater

Replacement elements

9 posted on 12/03/2011 12:19:48 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946...and thankful for it!)
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To: george76

Last weekend I was hunting for the 95 watt bulbs that replaced the 100 watters. I looked at Home Depot and Lowes to no avail. They have some new hybrid bulb using halogen inside an incand. looking bulb with thr pitch that 72watts equal 100. It costs several dollars extra.


10 posted on 12/03/2011 12:23:27 AM PST by catbertz (Easter egg...I wants it.)
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To: catbertz

Halogens are generally hot. FYI.


11 posted on 12/03/2011 12:42:30 AM PST by allmost
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To: george76
Yeah, but what really irks is that it was a "well-meaning" albeit MORON, Republican (Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) who co-authored the Bill and pushed for its passage, never mind, our "Compassionate Conservative" DOLT, President Boosh who like so many other stoooopid, pieces of legislation he signed (rather than veto) makes it that much more painful.

AND what has our Republican-Controlled House done to repeal this do date? Why have they not added a rider to a "Must Pass" piece of Legislation to rescind this onerous law?

They are (almost all) afraid of their own shadows, the wusses!

12 posted on 12/03/2011 3:03:31 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: george76
As for heat and hot water, the energy waste could be cut dramatically by the simple expedient of issuing draconian quotas, taking into account that the need for heating can be greatly reduced by wearing parkas, hats and gloves indoors at all times.

Jimmy Carter's stupid blue cardigan on steroids.

13 posted on 12/03/2011 3:12:13 AM PST by livius
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To: catbertz
looked at Home Depot and Lowes to no avail

I've been stocking up on 100-watt bulbs at Walmart in Salem, NH -- pack of 4 (no name that I can see) for 94 cents. They work fine and seem to last longer than the old GE that seemed to go every other day or so.

Are 150-watt not included in the ban? I prefer them for reading, especially in the winter months. Just in case, I stocked up on them from bulbs.com (I never knew there were so many kinds of light bulbs!).

14 posted on 12/03/2011 3:18:38 AM PST by maryz
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I don’t see a black market springing up. Even if one did, it won’t last very long because light bulb manufacturers have already stopped making the incandescent bulbs that would be outlawed at the first of the year across North America.


15 posted on 12/03/2011 3:25:55 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: maryz

Been stocking up too. I stay away from Sylvania bulbs because they don’t have a very long lifespan and pop on a brownout.


16 posted on 12/03/2011 3:27:16 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: george76

“Yet here we are, wards of the nanny state, with politicians dictating that even that prime symbol of American ingenuity”

The author is a coward and conveniently refrains from mentioning that this light bulb issue was due to the GOP and Dumbo Dubya.


17 posted on 12/03/2011 3:27:16 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: george76

I have been studying the different lights... Incandescences are cheap and give good warm and cool lights but 85% of the cost of running them is from the heat they produce. The “squiggly” ones are also going to be phased out; which is fine with me ‘cause I hate them and they contain mercury. There is a light on the horizon coming into production that will be great when it finally gets here...it is the LEDs. They are expensive right now, but will cut your electric bill in half because they do not produce any heat at all. Also, they are suppose to last at least 10 years. Can you imagine not changing a light bulb for 10 years? Companies that have installed them are saying that they are saving from 50 to 85% cost on their lighting bills.

Finally, the LEDs are being produced in cool and warm white, and are also being made in the tube (fluorescent). I expect the cost of these lights will come down in the next couple of years....I am looking forward to that. I actually tested three bulbs...a 60w, a 60W squiggly, and a 20 Lumens LED (the equivalent); within 30 seconds the 60W was too hot to touch, the squiggly was also hot, but the LED was as cool as it was before I screwed it in. This is a wonderful thing, as it won’t rot your lampshades any more!


18 posted on 12/03/2011 3:39:59 AM PST by native texan (Hard work, faith, thrift and one more word..."honesty")
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To: george76
In order to honor the wishes of the greens, I'm going to eliminate all my electric lamps and return to more time-honored methods of lighting my house...


19 posted on 12/03/2011 3:41:08 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: george76

Great quote!


20 posted on 12/03/2011 3:50:28 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: george76

Is it only the 100 W?


21 posted on 12/03/2011 4:14:16 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: native texan

The bad thing about the “squigglies” is that I can’t throw them away. I have to make a trip to Lowes, put them in a plastic bag they provide, put it in a special bin they provide which I presume will be picked up by a special truck to dispose of. Don’t see much green savings here!

I hate these things.


22 posted on 12/03/2011 4:25:38 AM PST by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
HAHAHA! Nice one!

I have some ambergris around here somewhere, Ishmael.

Now this ambergris is a very curious substance, and so important as an article of commerce, that in 1791 a certain Nantucket-born Captain Coffin was examined at the bar of the English House of Commons on that subject. For at that time, and indeed until a comparatively late day, the precise origin of ambergris remained, like amber itself, a problem to the learned. Though the word ambergris is but the French compound for grey amber, yet the two substances are quite distinct. For amber, though at times found on the sea-coast, is also dug up in some far inland soils, whereas ambergris is never found except upon the sea. Besides, amber is a hard, transparent, brittle, odorless substance, used for mouth-pieces to pipes, for beads and ornaments; but ambergris is soft, waxy, and so highly fragrant and spicy, that it is largely used in perfumery, in pastiles, precious candles, hair-powders, and pomatum. The Turks use it in cooking, and also carry it to Mecca, for the same purpose that frankincense is carried to St. Peter’s in Rome. Some wine merchants drop a few grains into claret, to flavor it.

Who would think, then, that such fine ladies and gentlemen should regale themselves with an essence found in the inglorious bowels of a sick whale! Yet so it is. By some, ambergris is supposed to be the cause, and by others the effect, of the dyspepsia in the whale. How to cure such a dyspepsia it were hard to say, unless by administering three or four boat loads of Brandreth’s pills, and then running out of harm’s way, as laborers do in blasting rocks.

I have forgotten to say that there were found in this ambergris, certain hard, round, bony plates, which at first Stubb thought might be sailors’ trowsers buttons; but it afterwards turned out that they were nothing, more than pieces of small squid bones embalmed in that manner.

Now that the incorruption of this most fragrant ambergris should be found in the heart of such decay; is this nothing? Bethink thee of that saying of St. Paul in Corinthians, about corruption and incorruption; how that we are sown in dishonor, but raised in glory. And likewise call to mind that saying of Paracelsus about what it is that maketh the best musk. Also forget not the strange fact that of all things of ill-savor, Cologne-water, in its rudimental manufacturing stages, is the worst.

I should like to conclude the chapter with the above appeal, but cannot, owing to my anxiety to repel a charge often made against whalemen, and which, in the estimation of some already biased minds, might be considered as indirectly substantiated by what has been said of the Frenchman’s two whales. Elsewhere in this volume the slanderous aspersion has been disproved, that the vocation of whaling is throughout a slatternly, untidy business. But there is another thing to rebut. They hint that all whales always smell bad. Now how did this odious stigma originate?

I opine, that it is plainly traceable to the first arrival of the Greenland whaling ships in London, more than two centuries ago. Because those whalemen did not then, and do not now, try out their oil at sea as the Southern ships have always done; but cutting up the fresh blubber in small bits, thrust it through the bung holes of large casks, and carry it home in that manner; the shortness of the season in those Icy Seas, and the sudden and violent storms to which they are exposed, forbidding any other course. The consequence is, that upon breaking into the hold, and unloading one of these whale cemeteries, in the Greenland dock, a savor is given forth somewhat similar to that arising from excavating an old city graveyard, for the foundations of a Lying-in Hospital.

I partly surmise also, that this wicked charge against whalers may be likewise imputed to the existence on the coast of Greenland, in former times, of a Dutch village called Schmerenburgh or Smeerenberg, which latter name is the one used by the learned Fogo Von Slack, in his great work on Smells, a text-book on that subject. As its name imports (smeer, fat; berg, to put up), this village was founded in order to afford a place for the blubber of the Dutch whale fleet to be tried out, without being taken home to Holland for that purpose. It was a collection of furnaces, fat-kettles, and oil sheds; and when the works were in full operation certainly gave forth no very pleasant savor. But all this is quite different with a South Sea Sperm Whaler; which in a voyage of four years perhaps, after completely filling her hold with oil, does not, perhaps, consume fifty days in the business of boding out; and in the state that it is casked, the oil is nearly scentless. The truth is, that living or dead, if but decently treated, whales as a species are by no means creatures of ill odor; nor can whalemen be recognised, as the people of the middle ages affected to detect a Jew in the company, by the nose. Nor indeed can the whale possibly be otherwise than fragrant, when, as a general thing, he enjoys such high health; taking abundance of exercise; always out of doors; though, it is true, seldom in the open air. I say, that the motion of a Sperm Whale’s flukes above water dispenses a perfume, as when a musk-scented lady rustles her dress in a warm parlor. What then shall I liken the Sperm Whale to for fragrance, considering his magnitude? Must it not be to that famous elephant, with jeweled tusks, and redolent with myrrh, which was led out of an Indian town to do honor to Alexander the Great?


23 posted on 12/03/2011 4:27:56 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: native texan

... the LED was as cool as it was before I screwed it in. This is a wonderful thing, as it won’t rot your lampshades any more!

Heat is not the cause of the lampshade rot or the yellowing of the plastic diffusers. UV causes this, not heat.


24 posted on 12/03/2011 4:30:24 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: george76

I soon expect shady characters in back alleys to be hawking 100 watt bulbs as well as high flow toilets and cigarettes out of unmarked trucks. This ban on incandescent bulbs is the green equivalent of the prohibition on alcohol under the 18th Amendment and will produce the same reaction from a public that does not agree with this prohibition.


25 posted on 12/03/2011 5:15:36 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: MistrX

Yep, got my “lifetime supply” up in the attic near the MRE boxes.


26 posted on 12/03/2011 5:18:02 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: george76
First, they came for our 100-watt bulbs

Not true, they came for our toilets first and nobody did anything........

27 posted on 12/03/2011 5:20:37 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: george76
I predict forays into Mexico for 100 Watt bulbs...

They'll probably search vehicles more thoroughly for them than for drugs.

28 posted on 12/03/2011 5:29:47 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: BuffaloJack

Hummm....I never knew that about UV...so I guess my lampshades are at risk anyway!


29 posted on 12/03/2011 5:34:51 AM PST by native texan (Hard work, faith, thrift and one more word..."honesty")
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To: george76

If they have no 100 watters, buy 150 or 200 watters


30 posted on 12/03/2011 5:36:16 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: george76

Yesterday, a 100 watt bulb popped in my office and I replaced from my stash, man. Don’t tell the narcs.


31 posted on 12/03/2011 5:38:39 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: native texan

Thanks for posting this. We replaced 40 60-90 watt Halogens in our museum with 26 LED 17 watt LED’s. The best thing in the beginning was that the air conditioning stopped constantly running and we were astounded when we got the bill. We are saving 250-300 per month. At this rate they will be quickly paid for. We paid about $40 each.

We sought the proper soft light. The ones we found are very even with no “hot” spots. This lighting is superb. Now we will see if the 50,000 hour guarantee is true. I’ll probably die first.


32 posted on 12/03/2011 5:52:58 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: native texan

> Hummm....I never knew that about UV...so I guess my lampshades are at risk anyway!

The reason UV does this is that the distance between carbon atoms in most organic compounds (plastics, cotton, etc.) is the same as the wavelength of the UV. This causes the carbon-to-carbon bond to vibrate and sometimes break. This degrades the material on a molecular level. UV is tough on stuff.


33 posted on 12/03/2011 6:07:45 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: george76; Genesis defender; golux; proud_yank; Bockscar; grey_whiskers; WL-law; IrishCatholic; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

34 posted on 12/03/2011 6:21:25 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: george76

“Include me among those crazed Americans who can’t walk into Home Depot, Target or my local grocery store right now without wanting to grab a king-sized shopping cart and stuff it to the gunwales with 100-watt incandescent light bulbs”

Last summer I did just that - Home Depot had 16-packs of 60W and 100W bulbs on sale for $1.99. I bought ten packs of each. That ought to keep me nicely incandescent for quite a few years.

Later that day, and all 4 skids of bulbs were gone.


35 posted on 12/03/2011 6:23:23 AM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: george76

I realize this is not for everyone, however we are saving $250-300 monthly in our museum using this dimmable par 38 replacement. Soon the prices will plummet on all types of LED's including soft white for 100 watt replacements. And they last forever we are told. They are expensive now but I guarantee the market will take care of that.

If I was 25 again I would be going door to door selling these products. And if some bright American actually started manufacturing the product in America......well that's a topic foe another time.

36 posted on 12/03/2011 6:33:49 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: george76

If you are buying 100W bulbs right now, you absolutely must check on the “Lumens” (brightness) rating on the front of the box. The *minimum* Lumens for a 100W bulb should be no less than 1500, and typically can be found as high as 1650 or more.

But some manufacturers are selling 100W bulbs with as little as 950 Lumens, which is about as bright as a 60W bulb. In other words, a rip off.

Those who have already laid up a store of 100W bulbs would be well advised to look at their boxes. If they are rated less than 1500, you might as well throw them out and get new ones, because they are just taking up space.

Oddly enough, some of the big, name brand manufacturers are the worst abusers in this, and “no name” Mexican bulbs are often a lot better. Yes, they may not last as long as well made American bulbs, but if they don’t do what they are supposed to, it doesn’t matter how well they are made.


37 posted on 12/03/2011 6:39:52 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: george76

Next years’ story: In a brilliant move to combat rampant bulb-crime AND increase employment, Obama’s new BEA (Bulb Enforcement Agency, headed by “Aunt Bea” Otoomi) will spend half its multi-billion dollar budget on Operation Dark & Dubious, paying out-of-work drug smugglers to steal American incandescents and walk them back to Mexico. The other half of the budget will go to loan guarantees to boost the DNC’s production of dim bulbs.


38 posted on 12/03/2011 7:10:49 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: native texan
I have been studying the different lights... Incandescences are cheap and give good warm and cool lights but 85% of the cost of running them is from the heat they produce.
3200 degrees kelvin - I used to be a photographer. Using 3200K balanced film in daylight yeilds interesting effects. Can't duplicate it with a digital camera AFAIK

The “squiggly” ones are also going to be phased out; which is fine with me ‘cause I hate them and they contain mercury.
In my expreience (see below) they don't last nearly as long as old-fashioned incandescent bulbs.
There is a light on the horizon coming into production that will be great when it finally gets here...it is the LEDs. They are expensive right now, but will cut your electric bill in half because they do not produce any heat at all.
Yep, as with all things give it time.
Also, they are suppose to last at least 10 years. Can you imagine not changing a light bulb for 10 years?
I do not have to imagine! My house was finished ten years ago this month and all but two of the original incandescent bulbs are still in service indoors[1]. One of the blown bulbs was in a fixture that arced and flickered badly, the replacement bulb in the repaired fixture is still in service. The second was whacked with a piece of furniture while moving said furniture.

In that time I have had at least half a dozen CFLs fail, some quietly and some with dramatic sound effects and burnt circuitry. Besides the CFLs, every florescent fixture in the house has failed at least once including the Circline® kitchen fixture and the 4'-tube laundry-room fixture.

All my bulbs were labelled "commercial service" and "130V" so they're not what one gets at Home Depot. I got more by finding out where the electricians stock up on supplies and buying them there.

Companies that have installed them are saying that they are saving from 50 to 85% cost on their lighting bills.
I'll garan-damn-tee you that people will quickly be complaining about the cold blue-white light LEDs produce.

Peet

[1] I have lost a bulb in a drop-cord, but lights slammed around under trucks don't count, do they? Also lost a couple OUTDOOR flood lights on the motion detector -- that stopped when I replaced the cheapo motion detector with a quality unit.
39 posted on 12/03/2011 7:12:54 AM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: native texan

I looked up the brightness of leds comparatively. Looks like 20 lumens led is equivalent to a 4 watt night light?

•A 100 watt Bulb is rated at approximately 1700 lumens
•A 60 watt incandescent bulb is rated at approximately 800 lumens
•A 40 watt bulb is rated at 400 lumens
•A 4 watt night light bulb is rated at 20 lumens


40 posted on 12/03/2011 7:19:26 AM PST by sheana
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To: native texan
they do not produce any heat at all

LEDs DO give off heat. One of the reasons they have not quickly come to the market is that to make them brighter, they need a larger current, which produces more heat. If it is high enough, the LED lifetime is cut drastically. Additionally, the electronics needed to drive some LEDs also gives off heat. Do a web search for "LED heatsink" or see this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_management_of_high-power_LEDs

The solution to this is metal heat sinks to absorb the heat and fins to radiate it. The fins aren't there for style.

Of course, LEDs ARE much more efficient than incandescent and CFLs and as production costs decline, they will be all over the place.

41 posted on 12/03/2011 7:37:08 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: george76
If you need some light bulbs, look at this site: https://www.nathosp.com/product/25k19_c/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs

When you look at the life span they are a great value and think of the space you'll save, because they last over ten times as long a "double life" bulb. We are using them in my home and give off the same light that our old General Electrics give. After shipping they are about $1.25 a piece but with a 25,000 hour life span, you'll be throwing away the lamp before the bulb goes bad.

I like saving money and I like seeing, so we use a mix of bulbs in our house. For general lighting we use CFLs. For reading and detail work (shaving), we use incandescent bulbs

42 posted on 12/03/2011 7:37:49 AM PST by fini
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To: Right Wing Assault

I don’t know about the science of LEDs...but as for touching them, I have hands on experience and the LED did not burn my fingers.


43 posted on 12/03/2011 7:57:03 AM PST by native texan (Hard work, faith, thrift and one more word..."honesty")
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To: george76

Repackage them as 100 Watt heating elements with this warning:

WARNING: It is a violation of Federal law to use this 100 Watt heating element, formerly known as a 100 watt light bulb, as a light bulb!


44 posted on 12/03/2011 8:06:26 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: sheana
A 4 watt night light bulb is rated at 20 lumens

This low efficiency device puts out 5 lumens per watt. There are LED bulbs (equivalent to 100 W incandescents) available that put out 50 to 100 lumens per watt, much more than incandescents and similar to CFLs. Of course, they cost a lot right now but they are rated at 40,000 hours lifetime. That's about 15 years of 8-hour days.

45 posted on 12/03/2011 8:08:37 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: george76

Congress is the problem and Congress needs cleaning.


46 posted on 12/03/2011 8:12:20 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: fini

The 10-year 100-W bulbs last that long because they run cooler, which means they put out only 1060 lumens (about the same as a 75-W bulb). Regular 100-W bulbs put out about 1600 lumens. They are double-life, but 2/3 light.

But they do same money if you are OK with dimmer bulbs.


47 posted on 12/03/2011 8:31:49 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: bmwcyle

Thank you.


48 posted on 12/03/2011 8:44:37 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Peet

I bought some warm-white LEDs for my ceiling light. They work fine. As stated...they are expensive, but I hope I don’t have to climb a ladder for 10 years to replace them.


49 posted on 12/03/2011 8:45:50 AM PST by native texan (Hard work, faith, thrift and one more word..."honesty")
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To: george76

Will Obamacare cover mercury poisoning?.


50 posted on 12/03/2011 9:35:40 AM PST by Vaduz
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