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Here's Hoping Herman Cain Will Stay In the Race
FOXNEWS.com ^ | December 2, 2011 | Dr. Alveda King

Posted on 12/03/2011 6:16:49 AM PST by NautiNurse

In the 15th Century, “Lady Justice” was introduced wearing a blindfold. Her sightlessness was meant to represent objectivity, in that justice is or should be meted out without fear or favor, regardless of identity, money, power or weakness. Blind justice and impartiality should be the goal.

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Suddenly, while Mr. Cain is soaring at the top of the polls, proposing to scrap our three million word tax code for a simpler, fairer, pro-growth 9-9-9 plan (getting rid of the tax code would arguably be the largest transfer of power from the government to the people since the U.S. Constitution was ratified. No wonder the establishment resists such an agent of change) he is besieged by the media, suffering “death of a thousand cuts,” as described by Cain Senior Adviser, Niger Innis.

For six unrelenting weeks, Mr. Cain has been the target of attacks on his character. His accusers have yet to prove anything, yet the man has been judged guilty in the court of public opinion without even a semblance of a fair trial.

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We the people must demand a more just political process. If someone is going to talk about another person’s character, they must have irrefutable proof and not just their word. The people should demand this and so should the media. A political campaign should address the many troubling issues facing the nation and not have to waste its resources defending meaningless allegations.

We must demand that the media reports on the issues, and let us see the platforms of the candidates. In the face of these attacks, on Mr. Cain and other presidential hopefuls, I’m inclined to find that Tabloid Justice is indeed blind, but far from objective.

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To: 1rudeboy
Paying a woman is giving alms?

When you pay for something, you get something in return. What did Cain receive for alleged 'payment'?

101 posted on 12/03/2011 7:42:41 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Lady Lucky
Innocent until proven guilty.

He has admitted he never told his wife about the money given to Ms. White.

102 posted on 12/03/2011 7:42:41 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Lakeshark
I'm sorry but my husband sends money to campaigns without telling me at times. He has also given money to friends without discussing it with me first.

These are not large amounts of money and I don't care if he does it or not.

If he had done this back when we were a young, struggling married couple, I would definitely have a problem with him giving money when we could ill afford it. I think that's the key here. The wealthy think and live differently than we. what appears to be a huge financial decision to us is but a drop in the bucket to them. Nothing more than tossing change in the Salvation Army kettle. JMO....

103 posted on 12/03/2011 7:42:55 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: loucon
My wife expects me to handle certain aspects of our lives and does not want to hear about the day to day decisions I make, even regarding money. That's my job.

At my house we discuss anything we regard as "big ticket" before we just buy something, but I know many people where the wife leaves that to the husband and a couple of instances where the wife makes those decisions.

We don't know how the Cains chose to do it, but we do know that Mrs. Cain was a homemaker and that Mr. Cain had a very large income. What is the lower level of "big ticket" at my house probably wouldn't even register at the Cain's.

We also don't know the amount of money he gave her (both parties refusing to disclose). If it was a hundred or couple hundred to help her avoid eviction or buy groceries and happened a couple times, no big deal to me. If he gave her 10s of thousands on a regular basis, that's another story--for me at least.

But whatever he gave her, she is a known liar and defamer proven in court and her own apology for having done so and getting caught at it. Her own accusations don't make sense and I don't believe her. Period.

104 posted on 12/03/2011 7:44:34 AM PST by Sal (The Progressive AKA Communist media must be destroyed, discredited, and replaced.)
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To: dirtboy

Better yet, YOU prove why God is wrong.

Matthew 6

1 Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of them: else ye have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

2 When therefore thou doest alms, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have received their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 that thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee.

I don’t have to prove a negative.


105 posted on 12/03/2011 7:45:33 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Bailee
Real Christians Give money WITHOUT looking for Accolades even from their wife or Family.

Spare me. He doesn't have to seek accolades, he simply needs to be open with her as to what he is doing. The amount of spin to try to defend this is quite telling.

106 posted on 12/03/2011 7:46:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Netizen
What did Cain receive for alleged 'payment'?

Not "alleged," but "documented." And am I to infer from your question that, because Cain received nothing in return, the payments qualify as "alms?"

107 posted on 12/03/2011 7:46:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Happy Rain

how true


108 posted on 12/03/2011 7:46:54 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Cain: 1st Victim of 2012 Obama Camp's Smear Machine's PROOF OF CONCEPT Effort. Did You Assist Them?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Absolutely. I’ve been supporting Cain for about two months now and will still think highly of him even if he leaves the race.


109 posted on 12/03/2011 7:47:06 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: CAluvdubya
If he had done this back when we were a young, struggling married couple, I would definitely have a problem with him giving money when we could ill afford it. I think that's the key here. The wealthy think and live differently than we. what appears to be a huge financial decision to us is but a drop in the bucket to them. Nothing more than tossing change in the Salvation Army kettle. JMO....

Exactly. There are some though that are being deliberately obtuse. Either that or they are tremendous control freaks in their real lives and I pity their spouses.

110 posted on 12/03/2011 7:49:32 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: DTxAg

Reality left a long time ago, back when the small gathering of “bash everyone else” groupies jumped from Palin or Bachmann or Paul to Cain.

Don’t remember 2008 per-primaries being this nutty and nasty.


111 posted on 12/03/2011 7:50:41 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: Netizen
I give up. Apparently you have found rationale in the Bible to give money to another woman and not tell your own wife.

A truly bizzare effort on your part that denies the inherent problems with doing such. It might work for you in your marriage. But I doubt one woman in one hundred would accept such unflinchingly.

And, once again, I am looking at a man who lies by omission to his own wife, and it makes me wonder what he is not telling GOP voters.

112 posted on 12/03/2011 7:50:51 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
I'm sorry, NN, but Herman Cain has admitted he never told his wife about the money he gave to Ms. Rice. A man who can keep something like that from his wife is a man who can keep all kinds of stuff from GOP voters. He no longer has the benefit of a doubt to me.

So who is your candidate? And if you answer "Newt", you know what that makes you.

113 posted on 12/03/2011 7:51:09 AM PST by montag813
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To: 1rudeboy

LOL!

It still escapes many of these blind Cain supporters, that it was just that one certain woman, who he gave money to and frequently visited for 13 years that “charity” was his only reward and motive.

By the way, Bridge for sale!.....


114 posted on 12/03/2011 7:51:13 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Lady Lucky

Innocent until proven guilty is a standard that’s only used in criminal court. In civil court, Cain would be the plaintiff, and he’d have to prove that the defendant (pick one) was guilty of fabricating the allegation against him, which not-so coincidentally would also affirm his innocence.


115 posted on 12/03/2011 7:51:20 AM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Netizen

You forgot one possibiltiy: they slip under-the-counter payments to random women, and fail to tell their wife.


116 posted on 12/03/2011 7:51:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: CAluvdubya
I'm sorry but my husband sends money to campaigns without telling me at times. He has also given money to friends without discussing it with me first.

I'm thinking if he had given money to one woman (not a campaign, not a friend you know) for some thirteen years without you knowing it, that might be different.

I think it was a huge mistake.

I also think he can overcome this, but it will be very difficult. It will take a very persistent and almost perfectly run campaign from here on in (if he actually stays in).

117 posted on 12/03/2011 7:52:15 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Netizen

agree! I see that the real sticking point with them is not telling his wife. They need to step outside of their own financial world and into the world of wealthy. It’s totally different!


118 posted on 12/03/2011 7:53:35 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
It still escapes many of these blind Cain supporters, that it was just that one certain woman, who he gave money to and frequently visited for 13 years that “charity” was his only reward and motive.

You only get into trouble if you itemize it on your Schedule A, Form 1040!

119 posted on 12/03/2011 7:54:35 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: NautiNurse

bump

If he quits the other side wins. I say he needs to stay in and file defamation suits against these gold diggers.

So we’re supposed to believe he was fooling around when he was going through chemo?


120 posted on 12/03/2011 7:55:36 AM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: montag813
I have been highly critical of Newt and he is my last choice for anti-Romney, outside of Paul and Huntsman.

At this point, I am looking around wondering how we got to this point of having such sorry choices for the nomination - I thought 2008 was bad, we are outdoing such this year. The only saving grace is Obama has a horrible record now that he didn't have in 2008 and whoever is nominated for the GOP should be able to beat him by running against Obama's record. That, however, does not make me enthusiastic for what the new GOP presidency would bring, other than a modicum of relief from Obama's insane policies.

To me Cain is showing he either did not understand what he needed to do to run for the GOP nomination or simply did not care that he didn't do such.

121 posted on 12/03/2011 7:56:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Lakeshark
Sorry to remind you, that there is only 3 weeks left before the first primary. And Cain is over 30 points behind Newt.

It will take a much more than perfect campaign. It will take a series of miracles the equivalent of the Resurrection.

122 posted on 12/03/2011 7:56:56 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Lakeshark
I'm thinking if he had given money to one woman (not a campaign, not a friend you know) for some thirteen years without you knowing it, that might be different.

I've never seen anything that said he gave her a steady income for 13 years.

I've seen where he's known her for 13 years and helped her with rent and food money on occasion. We have no idea if he gave her money twice or 50 times during the course of 13 years. To say otherwise is just speculation.

123 posted on 12/03/2011 7:58:18 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: 1rudeboy
And am I to infer from your question that, because Cain received nothing in return, the payments qualify as "alms?"

That's right. What do you think alms are?

Blue Letter Bible

1) mercy, pity
a) esp. as exhibited in giving alms, charity
2) the benefaction itself, a donation to the poor, alms


124 posted on 12/03/2011 7:59:03 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Melas

It is not just in criminal court, it’s a timeless principle of our civilization. If you don’t see that, if you think Cain can somehow prove a negative, then, as you wrote so powerfully elsewhere, “We’re so far apart in our thinking here that it’s not even worth discussing.”


125 posted on 12/03/2011 8:01:13 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: dirtboy

Sometimes we forget what Newt did for our cause in the ‘90’s and also why the GOP threw him under the bus.

Here are a few reminders for you; Let me know what you think after you refresh your memory. I don’t see him as being all that bad then, and I know he will live up to his current promise to us. Newt loves his country!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815463/posts


126 posted on 12/03/2011 8:01:31 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I have serious doubts about Newt. For whatever he did fifteen years ago, ever since he has become a complete creature of the Beltway, and IMO he has absolutely no understanding of the 10th Amendment, nor does he understand that what makes 'sense' inside the Beltway can have horrific impacts in flyover country.

Like I said, I would take him over Romney. But I don't see a consummate Beltway insider as being the best choice to change how DC is run.

127 posted on 12/03/2011 8:04:59 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: CAluvdubya
It may not be true, I have no link, but I remember reading an article that claimed it had been consistent over thirteen years.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

I've always appreciated your posts, I just disagree with your take. I think it was a huge mistake on his part, and unfortunately it gives enough of an edge to the rest of the smears to make it almost impossible for him to climb out of the tar bucket.

128 posted on 12/03/2011 8:05:33 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Netizen

There ya’ go! Cain should just announce a press conference and declare that he took pity on the woman, and saw himself as engaging in an act of charity. Problem solved.


129 posted on 12/03/2011 8:05:50 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: NautiNurse

Everyone should watch this -

VIDEO: Why Herman Cain shoudn’t quit & why his accusers are easily discredited! (1/2)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2815472/posts


130 posted on 12/03/2011 8:06:31 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Netizen

Did not know of that website.

Thanks


131 posted on 12/03/2011 8:07:14 AM PST by Bailee
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To: dirtboy
Dirtboy, I often stuff a couple bucks and once in a while a twenty into the Salvation Army bucket and I don't tell anybody. Does that mean I'm keeping secrets from my spouse?

Yes, I know there's a difference between the red bucket and a person and also the amounts involved. The thing is that Cain is wealthy enough that the amounts may correlate and he helps enough people (of both sexes) that he didn't feel compelled to "confess" to charity.

I think I've read enough of your posts over the many years I've been here to think you're not a jerk or a dope. And you may be right that Mrs. Cain will see it your way. I just think there's a very good likelihood that this was innocent charity on a level he can afford and I can't. Also, we don't know what the level was.

132 posted on 12/03/2011 8:08:15 AM PST by Sal (The Progressive AKA Communist media must be destroyed, discredited, and replaced.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Not "alleged," but "documented."

Not "documented" but "acknowledged."

133 posted on 12/03/2011 8:09:00 AM PST by loucon
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Just a reminder: Two weeks is a lifetime in this campaign. Newt has only been ascendant for two weeks now. Polutico and the MSM will now start to take him down since he is the front runner. If you don't think that will happen to every front runner, you should buy that bridge you are trying to sell........

Nothing is a done deal at this point.

134 posted on 12/03/2011 8:09:19 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: NautiNurse
Let the voters decide who our candidate will be, rather than the liberal MSM.

It is time CONSERVATIVES rally to Hermain Cain's side - and tell the RINOs in the Republican Party and the State run media to get the HELL OUT!!

135 posted on 12/03/2011 8:10:18 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Sal
Dirtboy, I often stuff a couple bucks and once in a while a twenty into the Salvation Army bucket and I don't tell anybody. Does that mean I'm keeping secrets from my spouse?

I cannot believe the level of silliness I am seeing on this thread. You are HONESTLY trying to compare dropping a twenty into a red bucket at Christmas to giving money to a woman over the course of many years and not telling your wife?

136 posted on 12/03/2011 8:10:40 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Not "alleged," but "documented."

At this point, allegedly documented.
137 posted on 12/03/2011 8:10:46 AM PST by aruanan
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To: dirtboy
he simply needs to be open with her as to what he is doing

Didn't see your reply, so I'll assume you are married. So, you tell your wife every time you give money to someone or some organization with charitable intentions? Do you also tell her when you stop to have a beer with your friends?

Hey brother, spare a dime for a cup of coffee?

Sorry, I have to check with my wife.

138 posted on 12/03/2011 8:14:27 AM PST by loucon
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To: loucon

Fantastic, I love word games. If one “acknowledges” an “allegation” of payments it is no longer permissible to refer to them as “alleged” payments. (And you are permitted to infer that some form of “documentation” exists).


139 posted on 12/03/2011 8:16:14 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: loucon

Which leads to the next question. How many cups of coffee did Cain buy for this woman?


140 posted on 12/03/2011 8:20:09 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Lakeshark
I will say this....if Cain had an extramarital affair, then I have no sympathy for him. I just don't believe that based soley on giving this woman money to help her out proves that on its own.

I hate to see what was done to Palin, being done to Cain and then to anyone else until we have only Romney. We are almost to that point now. I had such high hopes for this election. Now, I'm not even sure our country will survive...

141 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:13 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Pray for Herman and Gloria Cain. MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: loucon
Didn't see your reply, so I'll assume you are married. So, you tell your wife every time you give money to someone or some organization with charitable intentions? Do you also tell her when you stop to have a beer with your friends?

The silliness continues. You are comparing that to someone giving money to another woman over the course of years and not telling his wife?

142 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:18 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: NautiNurse
I hope Mr. Cain will stay in the race through the GOP primaries. Let the voters decide who our candidate will be, rather than the liberal MSM.

Amen, NautiNurse! Excellent article by Dr. Alveda King... thanks for posting it.

143 posted on 12/03/2011 8:21:37 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
LOL!

It still escapes many of these blind Cain supporters, that it was just that one certain woman, who he gave money to and frequently visited for 13 years that “charity” was his only reward and motive.

By the way, Bridge for sale!.....

I'm so glad that there are so many here who automatically think the worst of people. (/sarc)

I'm of the opinion that Herman Cain, in many moments of Christian charity, gave money to lots of people in need, this woman being one. This act, being so frequent and ordinary to him, occupies a place in his memory that is not associated with guilt, so does not register as something to “admit” to when running for public office.

He now is in the position of having to remember the names, places, and dates of all of the people he may have helped out in the past. It is truly a sad comment on our society that true acts of charity can be twisted into veiled accusations of wrongdoing. Think of the Gary Cooper character in “Mr. Deeds Goes to Town”.

144 posted on 12/03/2011 8:22:09 AM PST by Conservative_Rob
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To: Conservative_Rob

I agree with completely!


145 posted on 12/03/2011 8:25:49 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Pray for Herman and Gloria Cain. MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: dirtboy
It would be most helpful--I suppose I could go to your posting history to find out but it would make it more easy for me--if you would kindly tell me which Presidential candidate you are truly suppporting.

I want to make a specific point of NOT voting for this person when the primaries roll around to my state--just on the meritis of the way you have shoddily treated my and others' candidate here, Herman Cain, on this thread incessantly and elsewhere on Free Republic, under the ruse of "objectivity". The bottom line is that his candidacy offends some personal interest of yours in some way and I assume that is your support of another person and that perhaps your candidate cannot win on issues alone, but needs supporters like you to stoke the RINO fire of controversy and character asassination against candidate Cain. Please hurry and indicate your supported candidate so I can make note of that. Thanks again for your cooperation.

146 posted on 12/03/2011 8:26:41 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Cain: 1st Victim of 2012 Obama Camp's Smear Machine's PROOF OF CONCEPT Effort. Did You Assist Them?)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Thank you for that quick reply.

By the way, this bridge was only used on Sundays by little old ladies on the way to Church, was freshly painted and inspected every month and kept out of the rain. There is not even one speck of rust anywhere on it either.....Take my word for it......NOT ONE SPECK! (You can have it for the low, low price of $9,900,900.99!)


147 posted on 12/03/2011 8:28:37 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I’ll freely admit that I would vote for Cain in a heartbeat, and it doesn’t make what he did any less of a bonehead maneuver . . . and watching folks here dancing on the head of a pin is just plain amusing.


148 posted on 12/03/2011 8:29:48 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I want to make a specific point of NOT voting for this person when the primaries roll around to my state--just on the meritis of the way you have shoddily treated my and others' candidate here, Herman Cain, on this thread incessantly and elsewhere on Free Republic, under the ruse of "objectivity".

News flash, bucko - I was leaning towards Cain. Not sure who I lean towards now, I am in serious wait and see mode now.

And I am not quite sure how forming an opinion over an admission by Cain is treating him shoddily.

But go ahead, persist in your denial that this does not speak well of Cain and starts to allow doubt to creep in about his veracity.

149 posted on 12/03/2011 8:30:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Fantastic, I love word games. If one “acknowledges” an “allegation” of payments it is no longer permissible to refer to them as “alleged” payments.

Agreed.

(And you are permitted to infer that some form of “documentation” exists).

Most certainly an acknowledgement of an allegation can exist without any documentation of said allegation, so no, you cannot infer that documentation exists based solely on its acknowledgement, unless you are, in this case, considering the reporting of that acknowledgement by the media as the documentation, but I do not believe that is what you were trying to say.

150 posted on 12/03/2011 8:31:57 AM PST by loucon
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