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Here's Hoping Herman Cain Will Stay In the Race
FOXNEWS.com ^ | December 2, 2011 | Dr. Alveda King

Posted on 12/03/2011 6:16:49 AM PST by NautiNurse

In the 15th Century, “Lady Justice” was introduced wearing a blindfold. Her sightlessness was meant to represent objectivity, in that justice is or should be meted out without fear or favor, regardless of identity, money, power or weakness. Blind justice and impartiality should be the goal.

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Suddenly, while Mr. Cain is soaring at the top of the polls, proposing to scrap our three million word tax code for a simpler, fairer, pro-growth 9-9-9 plan (getting rid of the tax code would arguably be the largest transfer of power from the government to the people since the U.S. Constitution was ratified. No wonder the establishment resists such an agent of change) he is besieged by the media, suffering “death of a thousand cuts,” as described by Cain Senior Adviser, Niger Innis.

For six unrelenting weeks, Mr. Cain has been the target of attacks on his character. His accusers have yet to prove anything, yet the man has been judged guilty in the court of public opinion without even a semblance of a fair trial.

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We the people must demand a more just political process. If someone is going to talk about another person’s character, they must have irrefutable proof and not just their word. The people should demand this and so should the media. A political campaign should address the many troubling issues facing the nation and not have to waste its resources defending meaningless allegations.

We must demand that the media reports on the issues, and let us see the platforms of the candidates. In the face of these attacks, on Mr. Cain and other presidential hopefuls, I’m inclined to find that Tabloid Justice is indeed blind, but far from objective.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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To: dirtboy
I think you're making something out of very little (given what we know right now).

Cain is a wealthy man AND a minister. That's a double whammy for being hit up for money by everybody with a hard luck story.

Last night a FReeper was explaining that, as a minister's wife, she has no idea who her husband is helping from day to day. He exercises the best judgment he can, but sometimes they turn out to be grifters or worse.

I've been tagged myself by con men a couple of times. And a con man will tell any lie if he thinks there's money in it. A con woman might think along the same lines. And really, what can you say? "She's lying" is about it.

But as a purely practical matter, whoever your candidate is, do you think he or she is immune to this sort of low-class attack? And if it takes down Cain they will redouble their efforts to take down YOUR man. It may not be sex (that's a no-brainer here because it ties into Democrat fantasies) but it will be rumor and innuendo and it will be impossible to satisfy the standard YOU have set.

51 posted on 12/03/2011 7:10:53 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Beagle8U

Sorry, that makes no sense at all. If it was only a small amount it would benefit Cain to disclose it. He said his Attorney told to him NOT to answer. Total logic fail on that one.

If his attorney is planning on filing a suit, he would advise his client not to respond. Cain has said that he is gonna clear his name regardless of his choice. That to me means lawsuit.

BTW, why do you capitalize attorney? Heck, I won’t even shake hands with them.


52 posted on 12/03/2011 7:11:13 AM PST by loucon
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To: dirtboy
You have decided that you have enough information to condemn Herman Cain and that he should quit the campaign before a single vote is cast.

I don't have enough information to toss Cain under the bus as you have. I have seen outright lies published by the liberal MSM about Mr. Cain and a host of other conservatives, where the headlines are absolutely false. Stories are not reported. They are editorialized with bias against conservatives.

With the MSM orchestrating the Cain smear campaign like a fine tuned symphony, I'll wait until I have more trustworthy information than is currently available. I say he should remain on the ballot. Let the people speak with our votes.

53 posted on 12/03/2011 7:12:29 AM PST by NautiNurse (Zot! Cut! Slash! --That's the sound of the men workin' on the Cain gang)
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To: Lady Lucky
He should have refused outright to talk about it, and said his lawyers would aggressively pursue the accusers in civil court.

That's presuming that not only is he innocent of any of the allegations, but that he can prove it. The truth is an affirmative defense against both libel and slander, so he'd have to have a lot of ducks in a row before going into civil court. I don't believe that any of us know for sure if he's guilty or not.

54 posted on 12/03/2011 7:13:21 AM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Bailee
Also this:

Ezekiel 16
48 As I live, saith the Lord YHWH, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom: pride, fulness of bread, and careless ease was in her and in her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

55 posted on 12/03/2011 7:13:53 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: NautiNurse

Hope also Mr. Can stays in the GOP race. What has been going on is nothing short than defamation of character.


56 posted on 12/03/2011 7:14:38 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NautiNurse
You have decided that you have enough information to condemn Herman Cain and that he should quit the campaign before a single vote is cast.

Uh, yes, I see it is VERY problematic that he did not tell his wife about giving money to another woman. Omission is the most powerful form of lie, to quote Orwell. Your opinion may vary as to the significance of Cain's admission, and it apparently does. But this is Cain's own admission, it is not inneundo like the past attacks. And if he can hide something like this from his own wife, what can he hide from the voters? It opens up a big ol' can of worms AFAIC.

57 posted on 12/03/2011 7:16:25 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: KarlInOhio
The recipient of a gift has no responsibility to report the gift ...

However, if the woman is receiving ANY form of assistance from the government,(as I suspect she must if she is in such financial need) then she must report any and all gifts as income. Even gifts of clothing, presents at holiays, etc. Many don't...but the requirements for this are there, just not always enforced. In this woman's case, they should investigate and if she has any government assistance, she is in violation...should be fined, and the IRS should go to work on her.

58 posted on 12/03/2011 7:17:23 AM PST by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of the decline of the USA)
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To: Lady Lucky
He should have refused outright to talk about it, and said his lawyers would aggressively pursue the accusers in civil court. End of story. Don’t feed the animals.

That's correct...but he doesn't stop talking...and if he remains in this race I have no reason to believe his pattern will change...he doesn't know how to get out of the rut of loose lips and for that digs himself in deeper.

59 posted on 12/03/2011 7:17:30 AM PST by caww
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To: dirtboy

>> To paraphrase Clarence Thomas, Cain gave them the hammer to hit him with at this point. This all could have been dealt with before he entered the race. >>

You are absolutely right about that, but the other ‘hammers” were all made up accusations as part of a smear campaign - and at this point - the ginger whatshername story is all the bigger because it is hitting him at a time when he is staggered from the other false claims.

That’s what is irritating to me. But on your particular point, you have no argument from me.


60 posted on 12/03/2011 7:17:47 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: loucon
“why do you capitalize attorney?”

Because I know many personally and respect them. Also any Attorney is an ‘officer of the court’ everywhere they are licensed to practice law.

I seriously doubt Mr Cain is planning to sue anyone, discovery works both ways.

61 posted on 12/03/2011 7:18:05 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: dirtboy

“A man who can lie to his wife (and as Orwell noted, omission is the most powerful form of lie”

That’s why I want to hear from Gloria Cain. What Herman did would be wrong for me in my relationship w/my wife; however, we still don’t know if this was just the way Herman normally does things; (He is a known and documented philanthropist who has given huge sums of money to worthy causes; and this may have been “small change: to him.) or whether his motive was to hide the fact he was giving funds to Ms White. I have said before, I am disappointed in Mr Cain (for how this issue has been handled by his campaign) ...but I am still w/him.


62 posted on 12/03/2011 7:18:33 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: NautiNurse

I hope Mr. Cain will stay in the race through the GOP primaries. Let the voters decide who our candidate will be, rather than the liberal MSM.

We can all disagree, but I hope he is gone (along with the other hanger’s on). H seems like a nice and accomplished man but my yorkshire terror has more common sense and may understand our national issues better.


63 posted on 12/03/2011 7:18:33 AM PST by Oystir
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To: Netizen
You kidding? On this board, at this time?

Nowadays,people tweet and text, it is easier than learning the trumpet, and more people are informed of the 'giving' prior to the deed.

Gots to be collecting the accolades, or who would know?

65 posted on 12/03/2011 7:19:12 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: NautiNurse

Hang in there Cain. There is a lot at stake & the biggest IMHO is the need to not let OUR candidates be controlled by half truths, media hype and outright lies

HYPOCRISY cannot win this one. If Cain drops out for whatever reason the lying media, RATS have won a big battle & maybe the wr


66 posted on 12/03/2011 7:19:34 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: NautiNurse

I’d rather see the media drop out!


67 posted on 12/03/2011 7:20:13 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Beagle8U

The woman wouldn’t answer that question either. She was asked directly by Lawrence O’Donnell on TV.

Cain’s lawyer may be trying to get that info from HER, and then get that info from Cain, and if their numbers are dramatically off, then that’s one more place she is lying.

However, she told O’Donnell that the money was always paid in CASH. So there will be no record, one way or the other. So once again, she can claim he was giving her $10,000 a month, and she can’t prove it.

Or maybe the reality is he was giving her $40 a month, in which case, BIG DEAL. But we can’t prove that either.

She has ZERO proof that we have been provided. No photos, no receipts, no airline tickets, no cards/letters, etc. She hasn’t even named one single “gift” even though the media keeps reporting that Cain “lavished her with gifts.”


68 posted on 12/03/2011 7:21:17 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If we let them run Cain out of town, they will do it to EVERY GOP candidate from now on.)
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To: Netizen
I give lots of money to lots of charities and or people that I know and don’t know, without telling my spouse. Over 40 years I’m sure it would add up to a considerable amount. There is nothing nefarious about it.

Well, that is your own marriage. You also are not running for president.

IMO a guy who hides money given to a woman from his spouse is lying through omission. And if he'd lie like that to his own wife, what lies would he tell voters?

Cain's main selling point is that he represents something better than the average politician. This admission to me shows he isn't in the department of being forthcoming. And the fact that he didn't take care of this before he entered the race calls into question how well he understands the gauntlet that he chose to enter of his own accord.

And I don't have a preferred candidate at this point. I was leaning Cain, but this admission to me is a real bucket of cold water to the face.

69 posted on 12/03/2011 7:21:55 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: NautiNurse

Alveda is the smartest member of the King family. She is also the nicest.


70 posted on 12/03/2011 7:22:30 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Beagle8U
I just don't believe this man thought he had anything to hide. He would have disclosed it when he ran for the Senate as he did the sexual harassment case against him.

I think this woman is what doesn't add up.

Cain's lawyer has incorrectly advised him before so why wouldn't this just be another one?

None of this is logical. There have been so many illogical things happen during the course of Obama's run up to the Presidency that this just adds to it. (tin foil hat time....) For example: How does one get court sealed documents on your opponents divorce unsealed and made public so said opponent has to drop out? How was it logical that the dems actually took votes cast for Hillary and gave them to Obama which gave him the primary win? Look at what was done to Sarah Palin!

I say again, this is a set up. Something innocent is being made to look sinister and we are falling for it.....again!

If we let this happen, we are done. Obama wins another term and our country will have lost the freedoms it was founded on.

71 posted on 12/03/2011 7:22:55 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: bigdirty

The institutionalized corruption in DC runs so deep that neither party can afford to let an outsider win. In this case, the GOP leadership lets the MSM and the Dems do the dirty work, but they stand silently by cheering under their breath. It’s sickening.


72 posted on 12/03/2011 7:23:01 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: dirtboy
Uh, yes, I see it is VERY problematic that he did not tell his wife about giving money to another woman. Omission is the most powerful form of lie, to quote Orwell.

So you are saying that he should have told his wife that he was giving charitable money to any woman, any man, any charity, or just this woman in particular? My wife expects me to handle certain aspects of our lives and does not want to hear about the day to day decisions I make, even regarding money. That's my job. She would probably get suspicious if I did start informing her of everything. She would figure I must be covering my tracks or something.

Just a question. Are you married?

73 posted on 12/03/2011 7:26:04 AM PST by loucon
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To: dirtboy; NautiNurse
I'm a Cain fan, but I'm guessing he's going to throw in the towel today. I hate how this smear campaign has done him in, it's possible for him to overcome it, but what dirtboy said is correct. The one true fact is that he sent money to this woman without his own wife knowing it.

Colossal mistake.

I'm still going to defend him, because the smear campaign was obvious. We can't continue to let the MSM destroy every one of our candidates. Romney is the only one I won't support if he wins, we may have to rally around someone who will not be our perfect candidate to beat Romney, then rally around them to beat Obama.

I'm still hoping that one will be Cain, but I am right now doubting that's possible.

74 posted on 12/03/2011 7:26:59 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: NautiNurse
Herman was on his way—what the hell was he thinking—being a commonsense man with a commonsense plan to save America—the plan being that the country is sick both morally and fiscally and desperately in need of a successful God fearing liberty loving capitalist—much like our founding daddies—to do the nick of time Calvary whatever.
Too bad he was black.
The GOP elite establishment allied with the Left mendaciously exploited the most evil racist stereotype of the uncontrollable horny black man to take him out so as to insure big government RINOs like Newt and Mitt win.
If I could barf online I would.
75 posted on 12/03/2011 7:27:13 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Where's the BLUE DRESS? you liberal and RINO scum!")
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To: dirtboy
Cain's main selling point is that he represents something better than the average politician.

Yeah, a man of God that seems to take the bible literally regarding alms giving, which you conveniently avoided addressing. :)

This admission to me shows he isn't in the department of being forthcoming.

Or that he doesn't feel a need to blab about his alms giving or blab about things that may have been told to him as a confidante. That happens a lot to Ministers.

Hopefully today we will know more.

76 posted on 12/03/2011 7:27:13 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: DTxAg

I never said anything about the IRS going after White about the gifts from Cain. We know that she had financial troubles but that won’t stop the Einsatzgroupen of the IRS from making things up. I have dealt with them in the past and I can attest to the fact that IRS employees are much less than human and fully capable of doing whatever they want in destroying anyone. And the very fact that you appear to be unwilling to even entertain the idea of government agencies abusing their power and targeting someone they perceive as a threat tells me you are either naive, a fool or a troll


77 posted on 12/03/2011 7:27:45 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
That’s what is irritating to me. But on your particular point, you have no argument from me.

And I have no argument on your point either. I have no desire to see the MSM gloat about their role in driving Cain out of the race. And to the other candidates, look up the definition of Pyrrhic victory in the dictionary, because this line of attack will be used on you next.

But at the end of the day, recall that Bush the Younger hired private detectives to dig up whatever dirt they could on him, so he was prepared for whatever Dem attacks could be sprung on him.

Cain apparently couldn't even be bothered to come clean with his own wife about a secret like this.

If anything, it shows he did not understand or did not care about what he was getting into in running for the GOP nomination.

78 posted on 12/03/2011 7:27:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: BagCamAddict

Cain himself in other interviews was talking about giving money for rent, car payments, things like that.


79 posted on 12/03/2011 7:28:04 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: org.whodat; All

I listened to Hannity for the first time in a long while yesterday and almost threw up at his “There is NO PERFECT CANDIDATE” mantra when someone would fire off about Newt.

Hannity is a moron.

We should dismiss Cain for his (ALLEGED) imperfections and dismiss Newt’s REAL and MANY ones?

Whatever.


80 posted on 12/03/2011 7:28:04 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: org.whodat; All

I listened to Hannity for the first time in a long while yesterday and almost threw up at his “There is NO PERFECT CANDIDATE” mantra when someone would fire off about Newt.

Hannity is a moron.

We should dismiss Cain for his (ALLEGED) imperfections and dismiss Newt’s REAL and MANY ones?

Whatever.


81 posted on 12/03/2011 7:28:06 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Netizen
Yeah, a man of God that seems to take the bible literally regarding alms giving, which you conveniently avoided addressing. :)

I must have missed the section in the Bible about not telling your wife about such. One can give alms while still making sure your wife will not get surprised by later revelations - especially when you plan to run for president and know you will be scrutinized to the nth degree.

82 posted on 12/03/2011 7:29:54 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: loucon
why do you capitalize attorney? Heck, I won’t even shake hands with them.

You might want to rethink that....I have two children and both are lawyers....very conservative lawyers.

One of them is working behind the scenes in republican campaigns, pro bono. Plus, there is a very real need for our side to have a bank of lawyers to counter the dems dirty tricks come election day.

83 posted on 12/03/2011 7:30:06 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Melas

Innocent until proven guilty. He doesn’t have to prove innocence, and he can’t prove a negative no matter how extraordinary he is.


84 posted on 12/03/2011 7:30:15 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: dirtboy

I’m sorry, I thought you knew the meaning of SECRET!


85 posted on 12/03/2011 7:31:15 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Cowman

And the fact that you are willing to concoct any conceivable thing without any proof to make Cain a victim makes you a true believer. The irony of making up stories without evidence, while complaining about accusations without evidence, is just too funny.


86 posted on 12/03/2011 7:32:34 AM PST by DTxAg
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
(He is a known and documented philanthropist who has given huge sums of money to worthy causes; and this may have been “small change: to him.)

BINGO!

87 posted on 12/03/2011 7:32:58 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: autumnraine
We should dismiss Cain for his (ALLEGED) imperfections and dismiss Newt’s REAL and MANY ones?

Well, tell me again how this was unavoidable by Cain. He could have sat down with his wife when he decided to run for president and put this on the table at that time.

He didn't. What was he thinking? Was he the least bit cognizant of the fact that this could and probably would come out later?

It was an unforced error on his part, and one that calls into question his sense that he needs to be forthcoming to present himself as an alternative to someone like Newt.

88 posted on 12/03/2011 7:33:05 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Netizen
I’m sorry, I thought you knew the meaning of SECRET!

I'm sorry, I thought you might understand that secrets such as this usually cause problems when they are brought out into the light.

89 posted on 12/03/2011 7:34:38 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: CAluvdubya
You might want to rethink that....I have two children and both are lawyers....very conservative lawyers.

Kind of making a joke, I thought. I know some good attorneys as well, and I know that there are many others out there, but still, there are whose hand I will not shake.

No offense meant on a personal level though.

90 posted on 12/03/2011 7:34:53 AM PST by loucon
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To: Melas
A great big coup for the liberal MSM if Cain drops out of the race.

Never forget how the MSM fought hard to keep Breck Boy's love child under the radar while Mrs. Edwards was battling terminal cancer. The MSM is working overtime these days to paint Mr. Cain as a womanizer and misogynist.

91 posted on 12/03/2011 7:35:02 AM PST by NautiNurse (Zot! Cut! Slash! --That's the sound of the men workin' on the Cain gang)
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To: Netizen

Paying a woman is giving alms? If a take more than a couple to dinner, can I set up a 501(c)3?


92 posted on 12/03/2011 7:35:28 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: autumnraine

Dear clueless,

That is a prime example of why you should never become emotionally involved with a political candidate.

Don’t fall until you see the whites of their lies.


93 posted on 12/03/2011 7:35:37 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: NautiNurse

Usually, I am way too wordy in my posts!!! So....here’s a shorty!!! Herman Cain should stay in the POTUS race for these compelling reasons. Blacks, Hispanics, All Minorities, Whites, The Country, Freedom, Liberty, Education, Opportunity, Equality, Individual Effort, Security at home & abroad....and....making the USA, once again, the number one & greatest nation in the world, just the opposite of what the traitor, POTUS, “Dirt Bag” Barack Hussein Obama has done!!!


94 posted on 12/03/2011 7:35:42 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Lakeshark
The one true fact is that he sent money to this woman without his own wife knowing it. Colossal mistake.

And then he doubled down on that mistake by not coming clean with his wife when he decided to run for the GOP nomination.

I hate the idea that the MSM will feel they have another trophy on their wall to put up next to Palin and Quayle and others against which they have waged their campaigns of slime.

But IMO this latest revelation by Cain himself was entirely avoidable, yet he did not understand or did not care that he needed to address it in advance because of the doubt it would sow if it came out during the campaign.

95 posted on 12/03/2011 7:38:53 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I see, you’re one of those more into the ways of man than the ways of God.

From the Blue Letter Bible - secret

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2927&t=KJV


96 posted on 12/03/2011 7:39:32 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
I see, you’re one of those more into the ways of man than the ways of God.

Uh, please point out in the Bible where it proclaims the wisdom of keeping such a secret from your wife.

97 posted on 12/03/2011 7:41:17 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: NautiNurse

We will soon know. After Sarah’s decision, this could be crushing.


98 posted on 12/03/2011 7:41:57 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Lakeshark

Thank you. If he stays in today, do you promise to publicly support him here on FreeRepublic?


99 posted on 12/03/2011 7:42:23 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Cain: 1st Victim of 2012 Obama Camp's Smear Machine's PROOF OF CONCEPT Effort. Did You Assist Them?)
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To: dirtboy

Real Christians Give money WITHOUT looking for Accolades even from their wife or Family.

He is a Babtist Preacher I bet if someone checked he does it ALL the time. Also I bet he is not the only Atlanta Preacher that she has sponged off.


100 posted on 12/03/2011 7:42:23 AM PST by Bailee
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