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Report: Joe Paterno, leaders had ties (The Second Mile leaders)
ESPN (using some AP sources) ^ | December 5, 2011 | ESPN.com news services

Posted on 12/05/2011 6:14:57 PM PST by Scoutmaster

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno had close business ties with board members of The Second Mile, the charity founded by alleged child molester and former Nittany Lions assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, the online publication The Daily reported.

Paterno and three fellow investors, including longtime Second Mile board chairman Robert Poole, secured financing to build a $125 million luxury retirement community around 2002, according to public records, The Daily reported Monday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; paterno; pederastagenda; pederasty; pedophilering; pedophilia; pennstate; sandusky; thesecondmile
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. . . Paterno was partnered with that team of investors in developing a golf resort and nearby restaurant and inn, The Daily reported. Paterno also partnered with other current and former Second Mile board members on a bottled water company, a coaching website and a chain of convenience stores, according to the report.

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I've said it before. There is no Nitanny Valleny/Penn State family tree. It's a wreath.

1 posted on 12/05/2011 6:15:01 PM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Colofornian; dfwgator

Ping.


2 posted on 12/05/2011 6:20:12 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

I don’t see any wrongdoing here.


3 posted on 12/05/2011 6:20:18 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon
I don’t see any wrongdoing here.

I didn't say there was. What's been striking about this is how everybody is connected to everybody else at every other organization on multiple levels. I noted only that this supports my theory that nothing branches out, everything twists back in on itself like a wreath.

4 posted on 12/05/2011 6:22:46 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Another story about the Sandusky child rape story at Penn State that doesn’t ask the real obvious question.

Why was Sandusky, who admitted to the inappropriate act of showering with a child in 1998, allowed to maintain his tenure status for 13 years at Penn State after Joe Paterno removed him as defensive coordinator?


5 posted on 12/05/2011 6:25:42 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Geeze, JoePa had business dealings with people totally unrelated to the case? How deep does this thing go???!!!!!</s>
6 posted on 12/05/2011 6:26:56 PM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: decimon

I don’t see any wrongdoing here”
That’s exactly why the crap continued to happen in PA.
Too many people, didn’t see any wrongdoing.
I guess you let your 10 year old son take showers with his coach, right?
As far as I am concerned, all the Penn State people are guilty.
Guilty of turning a blind eye to pedophilia.
Old coach Joe is as big a pervert as is Sandusky. Guilt by association and by not shining the light on evil.
When you worship a man, you accept the evils that he does/accepts.
Idolatry is verboten.


7 posted on 12/05/2011 6:29:59 PM PST by 9422WMR
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To: Scoutmaster
Amazing how lucrative "charitable organizations" can be.
8 posted on 12/05/2011 6:31:06 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: decimon
What you see here (sorry it has to be explained to you) is how many powerful people in this area were mandated reporters. That comes with being on the board of a charity for kids.

Any of these people who can be shown to have known of any sexual misconduct between an adult and a kid are potentially in a world of shit with both Pennsylvania and federal law.

And there are evidently enough of them who just stood by that if a bunch of them go down, businesses all over happy valley may be assets on the block to pay the piper.

Do you see now, or are you just not able to comprehend that being on the board of directors for a charity like this comes with the same responsibilities a nurse or a school teacher has?

9 posted on 12/05/2011 6:33:41 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 9422WMR

This is about financial dealings and not sexual abuses.


10 posted on 12/05/2011 6:34:50 PM PST by decimon
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To: MrEdd

Sorry this has to be explained to you but the article is about financial dealings.


11 posted on 12/05/2011 6:36:49 PM PST by decimon
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee

Ping


12 posted on 12/05/2011 6:37:00 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Scoutmaster

I heard from another source today (a man who works in a position auxiliary to the sports department) that it was know 20 years ago that Sandusky was a pedophile. This insider asserts also that the boys were being passed around to Second Mile donors.


13 posted on 12/05/2011 6:42:09 PM PST by Palladin (Santorum/Bachmann 2012.)
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To: rwilson99
Joe Paterno removed him as defensive coordinator

In May 1999, Paterno told Sandusky he wouldn't succeed Paterno as head coach. On July 1, 1999, Paterno announced his surprise early retirement effective at the end of the 1999 season. Paterno never removed Sandusky. Sandusky retired or was allowed to retire after another season. If Paterno's actions in May 1999 were because Paterno knew about the investigation that began in May 1998 and produced a report, then that's where things get nasty.

During the entire 1999 season, Sandusky brought a fourteen year-old boy with him to every home game overnight at Toftree's. Sandusky and the boy sat at the coaches' table for the pregame banquet and Sandusky sexually molested the boy in the shower and room while the surrounding rooms were filled with Penn State coaches and players.

If Paterno know (as your 'removed' suggests), then Paterno sat with the boy and Sandusky at the coaches' table and watched them spend the night for an entire season.

Sandusky was also allowed to bring the boy to the Alamo bowl - where he sexually molested him.

14 posted on 12/05/2011 6:44:38 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: 9422WMR
all the Penn State people are guilty....Old coach Joe is as big a pervert as is Sandusky. Guilt by association and by not shining the light on evil.

Why have the trial. This innocent until proven guilty thing is overrated. Oh that's right. We are talking about the "court of public opinion" which I guess means facts be damned. Let's argue from our own conclusions and don't let those pesky facts that might come out in an investigation gum things up.

15 posted on 12/05/2011 6:44:38 PM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: decimon

Sorry this has to be explained to you, but the mandated reporting thing is known, but what has not been delved into is who the board members of The Second Mile are, and what is the potential impact of a thourough clean up.

Some people actually have the capacity to see implications not stated without help.

And it is those implications that make this news.


16 posted on 12/05/2011 6:45:02 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
people totally unrelated to the case?

Totally unrelated? Guys who would be embarrassed if Sandusky were exposed, given his ties and their ties to The Second Mile? Guys whose organization was covering up Sandusky's behavior just like Penn State was? How are they totally unrelated?

17 posted on 12/05/2011 6:46:34 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
Second Mile Officials at a party:

Sandusky's lawyer and his wife are in this photo.

18 posted on 12/05/2011 6:47:51 PM PST by Palladin (Santorum/Bachmann 2012.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Is it too much to ask to have a trial/investigation and let people defend themselves? You have no idea what the real facts are- you are just going by press reports and a summary of the GJ testimony. If what you claim is true then by all means throw the book at all of them but shouldn't there be a fair trial. I dunno but I think that the concept of a fair trial is what makes America peachy keen.
19 posted on 12/05/2011 6:51:07 PM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Excuse me, you have a phone pole sticking out of your eye.

Who said people didn't want those involved to get a fair trial before punishment?

Oh yes, nobody said that. But you claimed that was the position of people on this thread who (on the basis of the evidence that is known) want serious punishment for all in this sordid affair who can be proven guilty.

20 posted on 12/05/2011 6:51:50 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Absolutely Nobama; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
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Please read MrEdd's comment, explains why this is all relevant. At this point, along with the other article I just pinged about child molesting in Hollyfreakingweird, I wonder the real extent of the well connected and wealthy destroying the innocence and lives of children.

21 posted on 12/05/2011 6:55:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: decimon

I think the point is that the pedo and the board of the “charity” had a lot of close ties beyond any charity.


22 posted on 12/05/2011 6:56:57 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Scoutmaster

I am waiting for the proof that all the guys on the board knew. Until that is established, this is a real stretch. But then again we are talking the ‘court of public opionion” where you don’t really needs facts


23 posted on 12/05/2011 6:58:03 PM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: Sir_Humphrey; Scoutmaster

Sir H, your comment would be apropos if those of us discussing this legally were able to pronounce sentences on all concerned right now.

But no, we cannot, all we can do is discuss the issue. Apparently you think that we should not be able to do just that.


24 posted on 12/05/2011 6:58:32 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Palladin; All
Needs repeating:

I heard from another source today (a man who works in a position auxiliary to the sports department) that it was know 20 years ago that Sandusky was a pedophile. This insider asserts also that the boys were being passed around to Second Mile donors.

25 posted on 12/05/2011 7:01:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Palladin

My Gaydar is pegged on 4/5 guys in that photo.


26 posted on 12/05/2011 7:03:12 PM PST by Tailback
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To: MrEdd
The key phrase you mentioned was on the basis of the evidence that is known to which I would add at this point. The truth is we don't have all the facts yet. My point about a fair trial is that it seems to be secondary to what many of the people here want. They are letting fly with ridiculous accusations about JoePa and the board before any of the facts are known.
27 posted on 12/05/2011 7:06:20 PM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: rwilson99

That is a problem no amount spinning can erase. The other problem is the failure of the grad student—and a future PSU coach—to stop the rape. His, and everyone else’s, first instinct was to protect the school and the football program.

It should not be surprising that so many of the people who actually live in State College and surrounding area are connected. Once you strip out the students this is a very small community. Heck, some of the names on the PSU Board of Trustees are the same as when I attended Penn State from ‘61 to’65. Everybody who is anybody knows everyone else that is anybody.

The entire community—perhaps incuding the Alumni Assn.— circled the wagons to protect the school.


28 posted on 12/05/2011 7:09:53 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Scoutmaster
What's been striking about this is how everybody is connected to everybody else at every other organization on multiple levels.

Yeah wow. This kind of thing rarely happens. It's striking.

29 posted on 12/05/2011 7:11:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: little jeremiah
But no, we cannot, all we can do is discuss the issue. Apparently you think that we should not be able to do just that.

Absolutely not. Let's discuss the matter. Free and open expression is another one of those neat things I love so much about America. I am just offering an alternative point of view that says "let's have a real investigation and let's not jump to conclusions until we have that investigation." Again, if they are guilty, throw the book at them. But in Paterno's case, he at least deserves a chance to defend himself.

30 posted on 12/05/2011 7:13:21 PM PST by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: Scoutmaster

Most people do not realize how small a community Centre County Pennsylvania really is.

Penn State is Centre County....in most ways. The only other major employer is the state prison where we execute criminals.

The fact remains that we know everybody at Penn State is connected in some way to everybody at Second Mile. That is not illegal or indicative of improper activity.

However, the fact that everybody at Penn State is connected in some way to everybody at Second Mile creates an atmosphere where illegal and improper actions can take place.

Let the investigation take its course. Centre County is not leading this, the state is leading this, so it should be handled well.


31 posted on 12/05/2011 7:14:55 PM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Tailback

Yup!

Do you think their wives know?


32 posted on 12/05/2011 7:21:16 PM PST by Palladin (Santorum/Bachmann 2012.)
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To: Palladin

I suppose if we didn’t know about the scandal they would on a quick passing glance look normal but now a certain creepiness is definitely there with this group.


33 posted on 12/05/2011 7:23:51 PM PST by xp38
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To: GeronL

Here is a great article that shows why the incestuous financial deals are relevant:

http://deadspin.com/robert-poole/

A lawyer for one of Sandusky’s alleged victims has already jumped all over the financial connections.

“It’s no coincidence that they failed to act at the same time that they were working on this project,” said victims’ attorney Jeff Anderson, who filed a civil lawsuit against Sandusky, The Second Mile and Penn State on Wednesday.

Anderson called the $125 million project “another layer of motivation, individual financial stakes, in making sure that the stature of The Second Mile and Penn State remained intact.”


34 posted on 12/05/2011 7:27:28 PM PST by Palladin (Santorum/Bachmann 2012.)
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To: Scoutmaster

It’s a small town, for crying out loud. You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting someone connected to Second Mile, the football team, or even Sandusky himself.

Anyway, ESPN has a lot of damn gall reporting anything on this after the way they covered up the same problem at Syracuse!


35 posted on 12/05/2011 7:29:13 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Scoutmaster

the more I hear Sandusky talk, and knowing how they rode that female BB coach out on a rail for NOT wanting lesbians on her team, the more I think that Paterno was forced to NOT say anything....


36 posted on 12/05/2011 7:37:41 PM PST by cherry
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To: Lancey Howard

Kind of is reminiscent of all the other child sex rings-—like the Franklin-Cover-up and this one which is NOT uncovered and STILL ACTIVE:

It is time to TELL who these homosexual producers are Corey Feldman so the whole homosexual network can be EXPOSED and CLOSED DOWN! They are still raping boys. (Isn’t it interesting how the “press” vilifies the Catholic Church—one of the few institutions that still condemn homosexuality and pederasty???????? and they cover up these pedophiles who form perceptions of good and evil in our children through their propoganda in media????) These very pedophiles are trying to normalize homosexuality-—pederasty is the main part of homosexuality. Keynes—the worshipped economist, was also a sodomite and used boys in orgies and all the elites allowed him full access to little boys with no condemnation-—they glorify and worship him—University professors of the Bill Ayers type—Marxists, socialists.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-children-in-hollywood-just-tip-iceberg-experts-say/

A little note: These pedophile “producers” are the same ones who are promoting Glee type Brokeback dysfunction to children 24/7-—to make them easy targets, immoral, addicts, etc.

At the Universities-—that is why they promote homosexuality and orgies on campus....it is their perverted Marxist worldview which denies god and Nature’s design of mankind.

These people have got to be removed from POWER over ideology and making laws—like “homosexual” marriage. They are corrupting and destroying our children and future.


37 posted on 12/05/2011 7:44:38 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Palladin
Do you think their wives know?

Of course they know. Just like Sandusky's wife knew. All they care about is their husband making buttloads of money to support their lifestyle. Ooh, maybe "buttloads of money" was a bit insensitive to the victims?
38 posted on 12/05/2011 7:55:06 PM PST by Tailback
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To: dools0007world

Why should a 27 year old grad student be put in a position to correct a situation that should have been addressed by a the State of Pennsylvania, the President of the University and the Board of Regents 4 years prior?

Every story that attacks McQueary’s and Paterno’s credibility is only going to help Sandusky walk.

The focus should be on the tenure system and how it protects people like Sandusky.


39 posted on 12/05/2011 8:22:45 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: cherry

That’s another great question...

Paterno hired her in 1980.
Paterno removed Sandusky in 1999 as Def. Coordinator

Somewhere in the middle, the state board of regents hired a President who studied the mating behavior of couples who engaged in swinging and wife-swapping.


40 posted on 12/05/2011 8:25:56 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: MrEdd
Mr. Edd,

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you: but you seem to have knowledge of some facts that don't seem to have been widely reported, and I'm hoping that you can shed some light on the matter. Really.

You say: "...people in this area were mandated reporters. That comes with being on the board of a charity for kids."

The relevant Pennsylvania law states "(b)...Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge ... or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d)."

Any halfway decent criminal defense attorney should be able to show that simply serving on a charitable board, absent any operational responsibilities does not make one a mandated reporter in Pennsylvania. If you have information to the contrary, please, share it. If you're right, it's a big deal: that it's been buried in the media, because these people were willing to take a large risk (one has to ask why), and because the DA isn't making a peep about prosecution. Again, if you're right, one really does want to know why all we hear in the press about this is silence.

And one more question. You also reference federal law in the matter. But, the closest federal statute I can find is TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 132 > SUBCHAPTER IV > § 13031, but that only references "All individuals in the occupations listed in subsection (b)(1) of this section who work on Federal lands, or are employed in federally operated (or contracted) facilities,". So, was Second mile operated on Federal land, or under Federal contract? How does this statute apply? Or is there a different one?

It's clear that you are passionate about this issue, and I hope that you're willing to share your knowledge.

41 posted on 12/05/2011 8:32:21 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: savagesusie
Is it any wonder that a predatory homosexual pedophile like Jerry Sandusky could fit right in at Penn State and use it as a base of operations for his boy-farm charity for well over a decade? Disgraced former University President Graham Spanier himself claimed he wanted to make Penn State the most gay-friendly campus in the nation. Congratulations, Graham.

Homosexuals and little boys go together like spaghetti and meatballs.

Penn State is a typical homo-run campus where normal people walk around pretending homosexuality doesn’t creep them out the way it instinctively creeped them out when they were children. The next logical step for the "progressive" pervert elite is to incrementally worm pedophilia into that same kind of protected class that homosexuality enjoys so maybe otherwise normal people can finally be induced to shrug it off and pretend it doesn’t creep them out. (“Hey, -shrug-, who am I to judge?”)

You are, of course, correct that this sickness is by no means confined to Penn State. The homosexual predators and their Democrat enablers are relentless in their sick, obscene agenda

This has been the direction of American culture for years now. We are living in the modern day version of the Roman Caligula era. It is all downhill from here, and we are picking up speed.

Thanks, liberals. Thanks, Democrats. Way to be.

42 posted on 12/05/2011 10:49:22 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Scoutmaster

I grew up in a little college town, everybody knows everybody, the web of community leaders is surprisingly small in such places, and the college the epicenter of the community. Paterno, was a man of incomparable stature, and Sandusky was his heir apparent until 1999, when something happened that caused Paterno to tell Sandusky to take a hike. Something the old man is hoping never sees the light of day now, I imagine.

The whole town is rotten, and the whole region is rife with pedophiles. Look at that other coach in Syracuse who just got exposed, these guys all know each other, and they network with each other and trade favors, and also trade victims. There are many secrets, and no doubt bodies, to be uncovered in State College. And I do mean bodies, pedophiles inevitably leave a corpse or two behind. The dominoes are starting to fall, and it will be interesting to see where they land.

The world is full of many evils, and we can only hope that there is a special place in Hell for Sandusky with all sorts of tortures designed specially for his sort of monstrosty.


43 posted on 12/05/2011 11:06:51 PM PST by NMCicero
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To: cherry
knowing how they rode that female BB coach out on a rail for NOT wanting lesbians on her team

Respectfully, Graham Spanier was at Penn State for a decade before Rene Portland retired. Spanier only acted after Penn State had a bad season and was the school was sued by a lesbian who was kicked off the team. Yet Portlan's "no lesbians" policy was known after a national newspaper story in 1991 quoting current Penn State players.

For about 30 years (again, a decade under Spanier), Penn State women's basketball coach Rene Portland had a known policy of not recruiting lesbians and of forcing lesbians off the Penn State team. Perhaps Portland was allowed by Spanier to do it because she was so successful (over 600 career wins). He certainly knew. National media? Faculty senate vote?

It started earlier than that - a large national media story quoting Penn State players about Portland's "no lesbians" recruiting policy resulting in the Penn State Faculty Senate adding a sexual-orientation clause to its anti-discrimination policy in 1991.

It was only in 2005, when Jennifer Harris, Lisa Etienne and Amber Bland were dismissed by Portland from the team immediately after Penn State lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament that things went awry. Portland was weeding out the lesbians again. This time, however, Harris sued (and later settled out of court). Spanier finally acted.

So Spanier had no problem with discriminating against lesbians at the same time he's accused of welcoming GLBTEIEIO, as long as the school was winning basketball games and nobody sued.

I have a much longer post on the situation that I can find for you if you're interested. I think it contains links. If you have different facts, I'm always interested in learning.

44 posted on 12/06/2011 2:37:54 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Erik Latranyi
the state is leading this, so it should be handled well.

One would hope so. The current governor was the State Attorney General when the current investigation started. Remember that the November 3 (3?) Grand Jury Presentment was the result of a State Attorney General action, not a local one.

That's the Presentment which carefully spells out in detail what McQueary said he told everyone - except Joe Paterno. If you have experience reading presentments, and you read between the lines, that information is left out because it would either be embarrassing to Paterno, who says he was only told that it was fondling or something of a sexual nature. Or else it will embarrass the state prosecutors for not pursuing a perjury indictment against JoePa as she did against Curley and Schultz for saying they weren't told about anal sodomy.

So, as an attorney who's read the presentment (more than) twice, once for what it contains and once for what it glaringly does not contain, I hop the state will handle it well and not try to make Pennsylvania and Penn State look well.

45 posted on 12/06/2011 2:47:30 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Of note.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/penn_state_university_shows_no.html
Penn State University shows no sign of lifting veil of secrecy


46 posted on 12/06/2011 3:49:25 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb
Penn State University shows no sign of lifting veil of secrecy

Wow. The pledged transparency and brought in outside investigators who pledged transparency, then (among everything else), they won't even disclose what the investigators are being paid or what they've going to investigate? Unbelievable.

47 posted on 12/06/2011 11:00:10 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Lawyers acting like lawyers.


48 posted on 12/06/2011 11:01:36 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Palladin
I heard from another source today (a man who works in a position auxiliary to the sports department) that it was know 20 years ago that Sandusky was a pedophile. This insider asserts also that the boys were being passed around to Second Mile donors.

I hope you reported this person to authorities.

49 posted on 12/06/2011 11:51:52 AM PST by Neverforget01 (Beating Romney is so easy McCain did it.)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Is it too much to ask to have a trial/investigation and let people defend themselves? You have no idea what the real facts are- you are just going by press reports and a summary of the GJ testimony. If what you claim is true then by all means throw the book at all of them but shouldn't there be a fair trial. I dunno but I think that the concept of a fair trial is what makes America peachy keen.

Some of the posters to these threads lost credibility as they remain silent in the Syracuse/ESPN coverup.

Seems to be an anti Penn State thing. No idea why.

50 posted on 12/06/2011 11:56:51 AM PST by Neverforget01 (Beating Romney is so easy McCain did it.)
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