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Certifigate : Donald Trump now casts even more doubt on Obama
WND ^ | DECEMBER 5, 2011 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/06/2011 12:01:25 AM PST by RobinMasters

The mainstream media are "protecting" Barack Obama's "unconstitutional" tenure in the White House, refusing to investigate allegations that he fails to meet the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen," according to flamboyant billionaire Donald Trump.

In a conference call today with reporters, WND asked Trump why, if he believes defeating Obama is so significant in 2012, doesn't he use his influence to mount a formal investigation into Obama's eligibility.

There have been allegations since long before Obama's election in 2008 that he is not a "natural-born citizen," a requirement imposed on no other official.

Obama's critics believe that at the time the Constitution was written, the Founders understood "natural-born citizen" to mean the offspring of two citizens.

Obama has claimed he was born in Hawaii, but birth documentation he's released has been judged by a number of document, imaging and graphics experts to be fake.

Others believe he would fail to qualify no matter his place of birth, because his father, Barack Obama Sr., was a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Obama Jr.'s birth. They allege the Founders precluded dual citizens by specifically demanding a "natural-born citizen."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bc; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; noaccountability; notransparency; obama; patriottrump; trump; undocumentedobama
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To: A. Patriot

Well she broke her hip - said he must suspend campaign - but doesn’t leave immediately even though he has a 757 - it is gas n go - but he waits a couple days and keeps on campaigning - shows up in Hawaii, she passed away around eight or ten days later, two days before election. Having lived around 84 years .....


51 posted on 12/06/2011 9:07:18 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

I forgot she had broken her hip. Strange if she was at home. Usually several weeks in a hospital, then 2 to 3 months in a swing bed at a nursing home for rehab. Then usually cannot return home to live unassisted. Also, is a broken hip usually fatal? I don’t think so.


52 posted on 12/06/2011 9:16:56 AM PST by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Was Zero’s 757 a 200ER or medium range?


53 posted on 12/06/2011 9:27:44 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: A. Patriot

Dunno but another amazing coincidence - like Jeri Ryan’s divorce which paved the way for him to become a state senator.


54 posted on 12/06/2011 9:30:57 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: RobinMasters; LucyT; circumbendibus; GregNH; Fractal Trader
“In a conference call today with reporters, WND asked Trump why, if he believes defeating Obama is so significant in 2012, doesn't he use his influence to mount a formal investigation into Obama’s eligibility.”

Timing is everything. The legal ground must be prepared to break through the MSM protection that Trump calls out in this interview and the civil legal defenses. My hopes are on the release of Joe Arpaio’s impending posse report to break the logjam leading to criminal indictments for document forgery.

The Obama legal team has been very careful to put layers “fall-guy” sacrificial lambs between Obama and HIS OWN BC so that any forgery cannot be blamed directly on him. But just as Obama’s HI short form defense strategy failed spectacularly forcing his to come up with a forgery, so can the pdf LFBC strategy fail...if Trump, Arpaio and a GOP candidate attack the LFBC at the right moment.

The most likely GOP candidate to go off the reservation and attack Obama’s BC is Perry, who has nothing to lose and was brave enough to invite an endorsement by Arpaio in spite of Arpaio’s public declarations that his posse has found something “shocking” about Obama’s eligibility.

Gingrich has also been surprisingly chummy with Trump, given Trump's public declarations that Obama's BC is likely forged. Gingrich is a notorious bomb-thrower who knows the Constitution. Just being seen in the same room with "birther" Trump has set Rove's hair on fire...and Chris Matthews,' too!

55 posted on 12/06/2011 9:36:52 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: RobinMasters; LucyT; circumbendibus; GregNH; Fractal Trader; WhizCodger
“In a conference call today with reporters, WND asked Trump why, if he believes defeating Obama is so significant in 2012, doesn't he use his influence to mount a formal investigation into Obama’s eligibility.”

Timing is everything. The legal ground must be prepared to break through the MSM protection that Trump calls out in this interview and the civil legal defenses. My hopes are on the release of Joe Arpaio’s impending posse report to break the logjam leading to criminal indictments for document forgery.

The Obama legal team has been very careful to put layers “fall-guy” sacrificial lambs between Obama and HIS OWN BC so that any forgery cannot be blamed directly on him. But just as Obama’s HI short form defense strategy failed spectacularly forcing his to come up with a forgery, so can the pdf LFBC strategy fail...if Trump, Arpaio and a GOP candidate attack the LFBC at the right moment.

The most likely GOP candidate to go off the reservation and attack Obama’s BC is Perry, who has nothing to lose and was brave enough to invite an endorsement by Arpaio in spite of Arpaio’s public declarations that his posse has found something “shocking” about Obama’s eligibility.

Gingrich has also been surprisingly chummy with Trump, given Trump's public declarations that Obama's BC is likely forged. Gingrich is a notorious bomb-thrower who knows the Constitution. Just being seen in the same room with "birther" Trump has set Rove's hair on fire...and Chris Matthews,' too!

56 posted on 12/06/2011 9:36:52 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: A. Patriot

Another site with a Malcolm X connection:

http://www.myspace.com/exposingobama2009/blog/544727626


57 posted on 12/06/2011 9:42:55 AM PST by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: A. Patriot

It gets even better:

http://www.colony14.net/id583.html

This scenario makes more sense than anything I have read.


58 posted on 12/06/2011 10:13:15 AM PST by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: A. Patriot
is a broken hip usually fatal?

It is if the Chicago Thugocracy says it is.

59 posted on 12/06/2011 10:33:00 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Notary Sojac

“So the issue is about the definition of a “natural born citizen”.”

We know what the definition of “natural Born Citizen” is. We don’t know what it is not.


60 posted on 12/06/2011 10:33:28 AM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: F15Eagle
Change the subject, I see. The citizenship only won't work for you, so now your argument is that it is a useless path.

OOOOkay!

I'd say it is time for you to check in with the DNC for new talking points.

61 posted on 12/06/2011 10:57:30 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: BagCamAddict

I don’t know. The link to them was forwarded to me in an e-mail a couple of weeks ago.


62 posted on 12/06/2011 12:19:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: F15Eagle
As much as I wanted to see his LFBC, children do not lose their citizenship even if the parents change. If he was born a citizen he would have to officially renounce at age 18 or after to lose it. One wonders if he enrolled as a “foreign aid” student though.

Not necessarily. Consider this case.

Perez v. Brownell

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0356_0044_ZD1.html

Sometimes a parent can put a child into a situation where they lose their citizenship. Perez lost his.

63 posted on 12/06/2011 12:23:37 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus sequitur Patrem)
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To: F15Eagle
Was Zero’s 757 a 200ER or medium range?

There was never a 200ER. Some VIP 757's were fitted with additional tanks that could be loaded into the cargo bays. Boeing tried to interest airlines in a 200ER based on the beefed up parts for the 300, but no one was interested.

64 posted on 12/06/2011 12:24:17 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: hosepipe

BHO became an American citizen when he was born in Hawaii.


65 posted on 12/06/2011 12:32:56 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: SatinDoll

Saving this post for the next time a Birther asks me “Who is claiming that there’s a conspiracy?”


66 posted on 12/06/2011 12:35:43 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Yaelle

Detailed facts?

Sven Magnussen made it all up.


67 posted on 12/06/2011 12:42:25 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: freebird5850

I think you will be impressed. IMO it will be worth eight minutes to view the first one. Thanks for the bump.


68 posted on 12/06/2011 12:44:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: El Sordo

[ BHO became an American citizen when he was born in Hawaii. ]

You mean allegedly born in Hawaii.. There no record of his mother ever being in that hospital..
There seems to to be many many things missing in Obamas “records”.. JUST MISSING!!.

Not to speak of ALL the things Obama will not allowed to be released about himself.. i.e. college records..

Obama is the first Affirmative Action President...
Not elected “but appointed” by guilt ridden racist Americans..

Assuming there was not massive voter fraud.. both in the general election..
AND the republican primary electing Juan McLaim..


69 posted on 12/06/2011 1:05:12 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: El Sordo

Oh, you better believe there’s a conspiracy!


70 posted on 12/06/2011 1:12:06 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll

As long as we’re clear.


71 posted on 12/06/2011 1:34:11 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: hosepipe

Shrug.

The State of Hawaii says BHO was born in Hawaii. If you don’t accept that, there’s not much I can do for you.


72 posted on 12/06/2011 1:34:15 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo

[ The State of Hawaii says BHO was born in Hawaii. If you don’t accept that, there’s not much I can do for you. ]

Heck the State of Massachusetts says Myth Romney is not a democrat..
So much for that logic..

Its obvious that birth document is a forgery..
It easy for all that want to know, to see..

For those that don’t want to know.. its well,, not evidence..
Evidence that some hanky panky is going on..
Its a Vince Foster kind of thing..


73 posted on 12/06/2011 2:17:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: El Sordo
The State of Hawaii says BHO was born in Hawaii. If you don’t accept that, there’s not much I can do for you.

My state says I was born to people I was not born to, and that my parent's lived at a place they didn't live, and worked at jobs they didn't work, in other words, pretty much everything on the document is false, except the birth date. :)

You cannot seem to grasp that a state will "certify" false information on a birth certificate.

74 posted on 12/06/2011 2:40:34 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus sequitur Patrem)
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To: wintertime; Admin Moderator

Your silliness is so idiotic one wonders if you can read. I am one of the original birthers here. I told you to go make the NBC thing happen. And that is how you respond.


75 posted on 12/06/2011 2:48:29 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
Still trying to change the subject to “go try to make it happen”...

Sorry...The issue is that citizenship is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT the issue with Obama. It is NATURAL BORN citizenship that is needed for eligibility to be president.

And...I seriously question the motives of those who mixed up this not so fine point at this late date in the game.

76 posted on 12/06/2011 2:53:12 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Did they change your place of birth?


77 posted on 12/06/2011 2:53:45 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: hosepipe

If that’s how you want to think, there’s not much anyone can do for you.


78 posted on 12/06/2011 2:55:50 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thanks. Did his have range to go from CONUS to Hawaii? I don’t remember what he flew there but there was a claim it had some sort of extended range.


79 posted on 12/06/2011 2:57:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I read it quickly but it closes with (paraphrased) “he remains a citizen for better or worse unless he voluntarily relinquishes” - I did not click on the sublinks but saw no immediate reference to children - but I skimmed it quickly - the vote overturned this argument? It sounded like they disagreed - thanks


80 posted on 12/06/2011 3:14:39 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: El Sordo

[ If that’s how you want to think, there’s not much anyone can do for you. ]

You’re so kind to me.. Well God bless Me..


81 posted on 12/06/2011 3:20:31 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: wintertime

Seriously get a grip. I will be more than happy if you can remove him in any legal method. NBC? Great. Make it happen.


82 posted on 12/06/2011 3:20:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: El Sordo
Did they change your place of birth?

No, but I didn't leave the town I was born in. Also, My state doesn't have a law such as Hawaii does, which will issue a birth certificate to people not born here.

How many states would have such a law?

83 posted on 12/06/2011 3:28:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus sequitur Patrem)
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To: F15Eagle
I read it quickly but it closes with (paraphrased) “he remains a citizen for better or worse unless he voluntarily relinquishes” - I did not click on the sublinks but saw no immediate reference to children - but I skimmed it quickly - the vote overturned this argument? It sounded like they disagreed - thanks

As with many legal cases, the examples do not always fit exactly the current circumstances being discussed, but are merely indicative.

Perez was born in Texas to two Mexican Nationals. As a child he was taken back to Mexico where he lived pretty much his whole life. He would occasionally come into the United States for work, but for the most part he lived in Mexico as a Mexican, and even voted in Mexican elections.

He did not formally renounce his citizenship, but he admitted that he stayed in Mexico to avoid being drafted into the US Army and that he had voted in Elections.

The point is, his parents put him into a situation where he lost his US citizenship, and he didn't do anything overtly himself to cause it's loss. (except perhaps talking too much. :) )

84 posted on 12/06/2011 3:33:58 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Will birth certificates issued by the State of Hawaii to Hawaiian state citizens show anything other than their actual place of birth?


85 posted on 12/06/2011 3:37:19 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thanks for the info. So what is the deal with that line I quoted? Was that part of their decision because it sounded as if he remained a citizen despite his expat activities. It is in the last few paragraphs.


86 posted on 12/06/2011 3:42:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: El Sordo; syc1959

Syc can probably answer that if he is still here anymore


87 posted on 12/06/2011 3:47:06 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
Thanks. Did his have range to go from CONUS to Hawaii? I don’t remember what he flew there but there was a claim it had some sort of extended range.

Regular ETOPS 757's fly west coast to Hawaii and east coast to western Europe with a full passenger load all the time. It's quite possible that the chartered campaign 757 was equipped with auxiliary tanks. It's also possible that they flew to Hawaii with less than a full load of passengers and luggage.

88 posted on 12/06/2011 4:20:34 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

It was reported as -28a if that provides useful add’l info


89 posted on 12/06/2011 4:33:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
It was reported as -28a if that provides useful add’l info

That just means it was a 757-200 configured for and originally sold to First Choice Airways. The two characters after the 2 are customer codes. Pan Am's code was 21, so a 707-300 delivered to Pan Am would have been a 707-321. American Airlines is 23, United is 22, Continental was 24, Braniff was 27, British Airways is 36, etc.

Boeing Customer Codes.

90 posted on 12/06/2011 4:47:03 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thanks - knew you would know what it meant


91 posted on 12/06/2011 5:03:48 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SatinDoll
I remember early on in the lead up to the 2008 Democrat primary, Bill Richardson referred to Obama as an "immigrant."

Come to think of it, Richardson should not have been running because he was not a natural born citizen. He is a citizen by birthright, but his Mother was a Mexican. His father was mixed parentage New England Yankee and Mexican.

92 posted on 12/06/2011 8:16:21 PM PST by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2011)
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To: circumbendibus

Correct.

Richardson was speaking Spanish to an audience, and ssid that Obama is an immigrant. The Democrats knew what they had in Obama, and have lied, deceived, and committed treason in order to get him into the White House.


93 posted on 12/06/2011 8:21:14 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: El Sordo
BHO became an American citizen when he was born in Hawaii.

The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

94 posted on 12/06/2011 9:18:17 PM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Sonny M

He won’t release it because he probably barely passed. If records are released they will be scrubbed clean and show a straight A student. I’m willing to bet on it.


95 posted on 12/06/2011 9:21:05 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl
He won’t release it because he probably barely passed. If records are released they will be scrubbed clean and show a straight A student. I’m willing to bet on it.

I'm more surprised he hasn't done it already, that said, in his autobiography, he does state that he wasn't a good student.

Yet, that never stops the media (and sadly, even many conservatives) from professing or believing that he is somehow "book smart" or think that he was some kind of good student or high achieving academic ....

96 posted on 12/06/2011 11:23:19 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: RobinMasters; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

ping to trump making waves again..


97 posted on 12/07/2011 8:28:51 PM PST by bitt ( Obama is so unpopular now that the Kenyans say he was definitely born in Hawaii)
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To: bitt

It might seem quite a few people at this site only bad mouth Trump. They don’t seem to understand he can have his place in this current scheme of things. If it would turn out by his efforts he sponsors successfully those that can expose the Kenyan for what he really is as far as being UN-eligible for the office of the POTUS. Then he has served his nation well.
In that capacity I give Trump a thumbs up.


98 posted on 12/07/2011 10:10:46 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Sven you are being summoned.

While you’re here, (or on one of the other nbc threads today)
maybe you could fill in the blanks a little more of what is going on,
for example with what Sheriff Joe is hinting he is uncovering

(like Obama being himself an illegal alien)


99 posted on 12/07/2011 10:15:49 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: Seizethecarp
The most likely GOP candidate to go off the reservation and attack Obama’s BC is Perry, who has nothing to lose and was brave enough to invite an endorsement by Arpaio in spite of Arpaio’s public declarations that his posse has found something “shocking” about Obama’s eligibility.

That's what I was thinking too. Does anyone know if Trump's favorite candidate (other than himself) is Perry? Because Perry is now in good with Arpaio, and Perry must know what Arpaio is close to announcing.

And if Perry is close to Trump, then maybe THATS why Trump is finally choosing to NOW make waves again.

100 posted on 12/07/2011 10:20:24 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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