Skip to comments.Results of Oklahoma Straw Poll - Paul (46%), Cain (25%), Gingrich (17%)
Posted on 12/06/2011 12:35:05 AM PST by BagCamAddict
Ron Paul - 46%
Herman Cain - 25%
Newt Gingrich - 17%
Mitt Romney - 6%
Rick Perry - 3%
Michele Bachmann - 2%
Rick Santorum - 1%
Gary Johnson - less than 1%
Poll was conducted online at www.OklahomaStrawPoll.com from November 21st to December 5th.
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I can't find any more details, such as the total number of votes.
Spam monkeys at work.
Several people close to him have told me he dropped out because of his wife. She supported him 100% but he could see the allegations were tearing her up and putting too much stress on her. She has a pacemaker as well.
It is not that he thought this was going to be easy, but I think the fact that these were sexual in nature and his reputation was called into question was particularly painful for him and Gloria.
It certainly could not have been easy that despite the fact these were just allegations,that having both the GOP and the tea party turn on him was probably too much too. That part was our failure.
He is continuing to fight these allegations with his attorney - I believe he will be vindicated on that front at least. He plans to stay very involved in the process and despite all the rumors there is NO indication he plans to endorse Newt.
I posted this yesterday but it was pulled off the sidebar.
Wasn’t there a similar straw poll event where Ron Paul bussed in hundreds of people, they sat
and listened until Paul spoke, then they voted and walked out en-mass, before the remainder had spoken?
Has it occurred to you that Cain just might be guilty of fooling around with some of these women and that’s why he quit?
Sorry, but that doesn’t cut it.
Being President is much harder than these “allegations”. If his wife wasn’t up to this she wasn’t up to being first lady when the going gets tough.
It all smells of an out for him.
I'm not voting for anyone else, so it doesn't look like I'm voting this election. I'm not voting for people who can't take every damn issue that our nations survival depends on serious like illegal immigration. Mexico is a much bigger threat to the breakup of the United States than is Iran, but you would never hear that from our politicians, and it would be laughed at by most of them. That shows just how ignorant, unprincipled, and how their lust for power is stronger than the future of our nation.
I just think that if this is true Cain should have talked about his run for the Presidency with his family, and made a clear decision to not run, or to fight as hard as possible to win the nomination regardless of the vicious racist attacks that were obviously coming. You have that talk before you run, not several months into your campaign. You know being a black Republican you're going to get it literally as bad as is possible, considering you're not only seen as a threat in one race, but to an entire demographic that democrats depend on to win elections. Cain said he was ready for the expected “high-tech” lynching that was to come.
It's also at the point that while Cain may delay the investigations, it's going to come out if he did anything which I am doubting based on the fact it hasn't already come out. All this would do is delay things a little. He's not even going back to live a more private life, but is going to be very vocal, and in the public eye. I don't know what's going on, but I honestly couldn't care less about his personal life, because it's political issues he would be affecting my life with if President.
Furthermore, since the ballots cost money, it was "regressive", and the results are slanted toward wealthy corporations.
Gary Johnson was ROBBED!
In the end people do have a right to be upset with Cain. It's no secret how a black Conservative Republican is going to be attacked when in contention for the Presidency. He wasn't just threatening to defeat democrats in one election, but was threatening an entire demographic that depend on to get elected. Herman Cain knew this which is why he had said he was prepared for the “high-tech” lynching democrats are known for.
And a persons run for President should always be discussed in depth with your family before getting into the race. It's going to be brutal for just about anyone, and if you're a black Republican it's going to be as brutal, and vicious as is literally possible. I think Cain had the responsibility to make the decision with his family to not enter the race, or to enter and go for victory at all cost. A lot of us donated significant amount of money compared to our income, and volunteered for the campaign literally up until the day he dropped out.
Now he can stay active in politics, but he can't do any of the things he could have done if President. He doesn't have the power, to get economic issues into law, to take a serious approach to illegal immigration, or any of the other things he said. He should have went into that mode if he had lost the primary after giving it all he had, not now.
I wish he would come back, and get aggressive with the media who slander him, and make it clear letting us know he's not your conventional candidate. When he surged, and was leading in the polls was at the same time he was talking like a normal person. All of the supposed gaffes he made then were what made him more popular, and increased his poll numbers. They weren't gaffes. They were just not political correct BS which is what is expected by some these days. He just stated what most of us believe in a way a lot of us would have said it. Those gaffes helped him. When they started trying to make him more like a professional politician that's when he started to lose steam.
I think he owes it to us to get back in the game, or apologize for why he dropped out of a race he gave us who supported him constant reassurances, and confidence that he was going away no matter what lies the liberals through at him. Then he drops out when he still had good poll numbers in many states, and seemed to be gaining support gain. It wasn't like he went from the leas to 1% everywhere which would have justified dropping out. Now I keep hearing idiots who think he dropped out because all of his past affairs, as if that fact. That's usually the time you would see someone drop out in his position, so many people without knowing any details just see is as fact that he did these things, and that's why he dropped out. To them they probably think he gave a speech and admitted it first, and have no idea their has been no actual proof which seems impossible not to have come out by this time if it were true.
The GOP establishment was never going to support a guy who hadn't served his time inside the party as an elected official destroying the nation, allowing him to jump ahead of those liberal Republicans who have done their time, and showed loyalty to the party over Conservatism.
The TEA Party is a very loose group of “so-called” Conservatives. I supported Cain for the the beginning, and since I have been to TEA party events I am a part of them. I thought one of the biggest issues was getting rid of the establishment GOP who put party before principle, and aren't doing what's best for the nation. When it came down to it we found out that a lot of those voters are just as much a part of the establishment. They have a hard time leaving the career politicians they have supported their entire lives when it comes down to it. A lot of people did reject Cain who was the only candidate with anything new that we have see in decades, but a lot of us didn't either.
Cain will be vindicated if there is never any proof he did anything. He doesn't have to do anything. He sounds like he is just going to keep campaigning in the background in a smaller way than he was when he was actively running. He may be put on the back burner, but they will go after him again with this stuff.
And he can stay involved, but he will not have near the power he could have had if he had won the Republican nomination, and became President. Sarah Palin even seems to be losing a lot of what she had, and even seems hesitant to endorse candidates she supports bases on hurting herself with others. Instead of taking a strong lead she seems to have wanted a strong Conservative that was pretty much accepted by all for a safe endorsement.
I don't think a third party would do anything this time around, but a good Conservative party could be successful if it was given enough time to organize, and had enough prominent Conservatives behind it who would be able to raise a lot of money. We always have third party candidates sat up at the last minute, with little organization, support from prominent and respected Conservatives, and siphoning money away from the GOP. It seems no one thinks of a third party though unless it's at the last minute before an election, and won't work. I would like to see a third party start being formed now for 2016, but I don't you can get Conservatives to support it even though the GOP is crap who I will never vote for only as a vote against the liberal democrat.
Everyone knows how disgusting, and vicious liberals are when they have a high level office being threatened by a person who is not only a threat in one election, but is a threat to a demographic they depend on for survival. As sickening as the attacks against Cain was, it didn't surprise most of us, including Cain who said he was ready for a high-tech lynching. He should have come out guns blazing, and let these idiots who were questioning his "authentic blackness", have it, including that white foreign guy who's name I forget who is one of the most ignorant liberals on TV. He had the time to get aggressive, and go at these people taking it to them like Conservatives wanted to see. He could have gotten his message out there on the issues he's closer to the people than any other candidate, such as illegal immigration among others. I think he was told to play it safe when surged in the polls which was a bad idea considering his unconventional comments are what gave him that surge. It just seems he was still in the race, and it just made little since for him to drop out right now. I had a friend, who was a hardcore Cain supporter tell me he saw the way Cain dropped out as an admission of guilt to some of the accusations against him, or that he say more coming out again him, or that he just completely, and cowardly caved to the stress of liberal attacks. That doesn't sound like Cain to me, but I didn't have any argument against it either. This friend was also one of a couple of people I know who were ready to donate to Cain's campaign after he announced he was staying in it for the long haul, or dropping out. I think it's pretty clear that when you hint that you may be dropping out it's going to cause your campaign contributions to drop dramatically. They didn't want to donate a lot of cast only to have him drop out the next day, which is exactly what would have happened.
Why all the discussion about Herman Cain?
FYI: the poll closed before Cain dropped out.
Ron Paul won a poll? Must be rigged!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Paul will peel more away from Democrats and Indys than anyone else. I’m far from a “Paul-bot”, but I am certain that he is the only remaining candidate with any possible chance in hell of saving our economy and turning around the onslaught from the Washington elite. Currently, I’m hanging out in Gingrich’s corner, but I would not hesitate one moment to pull the lever for Paul. It may be exactly what we need.
Well, that and his funding dried up as fast as it came in.
Cain seems to still be campaigning and speaking out, which I don't see the point of dropping out of the race, and then still doing what seems to be campaigning. People have suggested he's guilty of the liberal accusations which is why he dropped out, but I don't see him staying in the public eye if that was the case. They will still come after him, it's just that they lowered their priority for destroying him.
They don't want him to become more popular doing it this way than he was as a candidate. His supporters are very loyal. The democrats still don't want him to start being able to raise money, and have an endorsement that counts for something which I could see in the future. The more success he has the more he will be attacked. They will just focus on Romney and Gingrich at the moment though.
And while he had dropped in the polls, he still wasn't doing so bad that most would have dropped out when he did. It's just a little weird he's still out there campaigning pretty much. I wouldn't doubt he gets the VP spot on a ticket, but considering that's not the most powerful job it's not all that exciting for me.
Ron Paul has held elective office for 35 years. What exactly has he accomplished during those years?
Any persuasive/powerful alliances within congress?
Which bills has he introduced or improved or stopped?
Has he influenced any movement beyond his fanatic poll spammers?
I am curious where the money comes from to fund his campaign.
I am too lazy to look into it, because I don’t care THAT much. ;-)
But how much of his funding is from people who want to split the Republican and Independent vote, to ensure Democrat victories?
Good question. I’m reading his bio on Wiki - not the best lace for facts but it is what it is;)
He has advocated policies and principles which conservatives can and do embrace - but he just goes to the dark side on International issues. The US does have foreign interests that must be protected....Paul doesn’t think it does.
It’s not a big leap for me to make, with no facts one way or the other, to think that someone like Soros could quietly fund a third-party candidate to ensure that the Conservative, Republican, and Independent vote always stays fractured, thereby ensuring a Democrat victory.
The fact that members of both parties have not supported his smaller-government initiatives is not a reflection on Paul's inadequacy, but rather an indictment on the vast majorities in both parties who have no interest in limited government.
I guess Ron Paul could "accomplish" a lot more if he capitulated to the majorities of both parties who seem to want ever-expanding government power and influence over every nuance of our lives.