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Pearl Harbor Still a Day for the Ages, but a Memory Almost Gone
NYT ^ | 12/7/11 | ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 12/07/2011 6:17:39 AM PST by Borges

HONOLULU — For more than half a century, members of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association gathered here every Dec. 7 to commemorate the attack by the Japanese that drew the United States into World War II. Others stayed closer to home for more intimate regional chapter ceremonies, sharing memories of a day they still remember in searing detail.

But no more. The 70th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack will be the last one marked by the survivors’ association. With a concession to the reality of time — of age, of deteriorating health and death — the association will disband on Dec. 31.

“We had no choice,” said William H. Eckel, 89, who was once the director of the Fourth Division of the survivors’ association, interviewed by telephone from Texas. “Wives and family members have been trying to keep it operating, but they just can’t do it. People are winding up in nursing homes and intensive care places.”

Harry R. Kerr, the director of the Southeast chapter, said there weren’t enough survivors left to keep the organization running. “We just ran out of gas, that’s what it amounted to,” he said from his home in Atlanta, after deciding not to come this year. “We felt we ran a good course for 70 years. Fought a good fight. We have no place to recruit people anymore: Dec. 7 only happened on one day in 1941.”

The fact that this moment was inevitable has made this no less a difficult year for the survivors, some of whom are concerned that the event that defined their lives will soon be just another chapter in a history book, with no one left to go to schools and Rotary Club luncheons to offer a firsthand testimony of that day.

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1 posted on 12/07/2011 6:17:41 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

My niece who is the Navy and stationed in Hawaii has the honor of being an official escort to one of the few survivors of Pear Harbor for today’s events.
I am not sure warriors should be called stunning, but she does look stunning in her dress uniform.


2 posted on 12/07/2011 6:22:26 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Borges

Pearl Harbor? Who is she? According to Google the important thing today is Diego Rivera’s 125th birthday.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 6:23:23 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Borges

With todays liberal unionized teachers not teaching American history it won’t be remembered much longer.


4 posted on 12/07/2011 6:29:27 AM PST by taillightchaser (The last hope for America--2012)
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To: Borges
We should NEVER forget NEVER.
We were defeated that day. Out entire Navy was destroyed with that raid.
Without the help of Almighty God we would all be speaking Japanese right now.
Everybody in this country pitched in and got to work building ships & planes and with GODS help were able to beat them.
I get so damn mad every time I hear somebody say we were wrong to drop the Atomic Bombs. Excuse ME? Hit me first for no reason, and I then have free reign to beat the living tar out of you, and I will do whatever I need to to make sure you never do it again. If it means I have to bring in ole Betsy, my trusted 12 GA then so be it ole Betsy comes out.
5 posted on 12/07/2011 6:29:39 AM PST by DeaconRed (I am VERY disgusted with the field we have to choose from. Another hold my nose general election.)
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To: taillightchaser

Unionized teachers current instruction of American history:

1) 9/11 was an inside job

2) ALL American Indians were noble people who NEVER had slaves or killed other Indian tribes

3) Che,JFK,RFK and MLK were the FAB four of the 60’s and were more popular than Jesus Christ!!

4) FDR saved the US from economic catastrophe

5) Ronald Reagan is the root of all US deficits/debt

6) Founding fathers were slave holding,wife beating, greedy, white males sociopaths who ‘rebelled’ from England because they did not want to pay their FAIR share of taxes.

7) Woodrow Wilson desegregated the federal government.

8) Without the federal government financial backing and expertise, the Wright Brothers would have NEVER succeeded in Kitty Hawk.

9) Slave Reparations are a moral duty.

10) The CIA caused aids in homo’s,crack in the hood and Bernie Goetz shooting in the subway.


6 posted on 12/07/2011 6:44:56 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Borges
Sad, but inevitable.

But there's nothing the current crop of leftist educators & dimwitted media types can do to change history & how admirably this generation acquitted itself.

7 posted on 12/07/2011 6:46:09 AM PST by skeeter
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To: svcw

Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Infamy Speech
December 8, 1941

Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its Government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday the Japanese Government also launched an attack against Malaya. Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong. Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam. Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands. Last night the Japanese attacked Wake Island. This morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December seventh, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire.”


8 posted on 12/07/2011 6:58:09 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Borges
some of whom are concerned that the event that defined their lives will soon be just another chapter in a history book

Not for some of us.

http://sportairrace.org/

9 posted on 12/07/2011 6:58:31 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
According to Google the important thing today is Diego Rivera’s 125th birthday.

Which is why I prefer Bing

10 posted on 12/07/2011 7:00:07 AM PST by SoJoCo
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To: Borges

11 posted on 12/07/2011 7:01:01 AM PST by TonyInOhio (Ohio's four seasons: Rain, Snow, Rain & Snow, and Humid)
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To: Borges

As a 7 year old, born March 25, 1934, I still remember us getting the news that Pearl Harbor was bombed.

We lived way out in the country, had no phones, newspapers,
only by word of mouth until we were back in school.

Before the attack, we had no idea what or where Pearl Harbor was located.

Then Uncles, cousins,neighbors, teachers, and our principal, and our mail man started leaving for war. Many were gone for 3 to 4 years or more. Sadly, some never returned.


12 posted on 12/07/2011 7:20:46 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Oztrich Boy
According to Google the important thing today is Diego Rivera’s 125th birthday.

Bing remembered. Heck, they remembered before I did.

I really hate that dates that used to be forefront in my mind have started to slip. The bigger issue is that there are no more reminders. When I was a kid it was still fresh enough in everyone's mind (I'm 42). Sixty years from now, I doubt anyone will want to commemmorate 9/11. We'll be too old or gone, and those who came after us just won't have the connection.

13 posted on 12/07/2011 7:21:21 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Borges
The President's schedule for December 7, 2011---

2:15 pm

The President holds a bilateral meeting with Prime
Minister Harper of Canada
Oval Office
Closed Press

3:00 pm

The President and Prime Minister Harper of Canada deliver statements
South Court Auditorium
Open Press
(Pre-Set 1:15PM, Final Gather 2:25PM – North Doors of the Palm Room)

4:35 pm

The President attends a campaign event
DC, The Jefferson Hotel, Washington
Closed Press
(In-Town Travel Pool Final Gather 3:55PM – North Doors of the Palm Room)

NOT ONE MENTION OF PEARL HARBOR.

14 posted on 12/07/2011 7:24:34 AM PST by red-dawg
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To: Voter#537
Out (sic) entire Navy was destroyed with that raid.

Hardly. None of our aircraft carriers were even present, and they would inflict irreversible damage to the Japanese Navy a scant 6 months later at Midway.

I agree that we should never forget.

15 posted on 12/07/2011 7:27:43 AM PST by Gee Wally
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To: red-dawg

nobama feels America deserves whatever it gets because we have exploited the “less fortunate” historically. “God damn the United States” is his rally cry. He sat for 20+ years in rev wright’s church with his family and absorbed this anti-American crap with less than a whimper.


16 posted on 12/07/2011 7:30:37 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Le Chien Rouge; taillightchaser
Most teachers - unionized or not - have zero control over what they teach. They are given a curriculum guide and an approved textbook at the beginning of the school year. The guide and the textbook must be followed exactly.

Two examples for you. I have two friends who are teachers, one in history, the other in chemistry.

The history teacher is appalled that American history in his school is being de-emphasized in favor of world history. But other than speaking up at meetings - which he has done - he is powerless to stop this.

The chemistry teacher has been told not to use any math in her chemistry class! Yes, you read that right. Her supervisors feel that math will intimidate some students. So math must be eliminated from chemistry.

My chemistry teacher friend feels that teaching her class without using math is a form of malpractice, so she is using math where appropriate. She has been written up for this twice, and expects to be fired at the semester break in February. She will certainly be replaced by someone who will follow the no-math rule better than she did.

So who is at fault here? it's not the teachers. It's the idiotic - and very liberal - school administrators. And the school board members who are too lazy to watch over their district.

17 posted on 12/07/2011 7:35:00 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: svcw

I’m sure the company of your stunning daughter will make his day. He may be old, but he’s still a sailor! A few years ago I took my family to Pearl. My drop dead beautiful step daughter struck up a conversation with three old vets headed for a tin can reunion. They were still grinning two hours later when we boarded the plane!


18 posted on 12/07/2011 7:37:16 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger. With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

FDR was a communist, but he was alive in an era when you could be a US Nationalist and a believer in socialism.

He didn't back down from the challenge from the evil that attacked the USA.

His job was easier because the presstitutes were happy to pump FDR and his aid for uncle joe the red stalin.

If Hitler had not attacked russia, the US press would have been fighting FDR tooth and nail to prevent us from fighting against a russian/german pact {both socialist countries} and for England and their allies.

19 posted on 12/07/2011 7:41:46 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Voter#537
We were defeated that day. Out entire Navy was destroyed with that raid.

Not even close. And the key part, the carriers, was not touched.

Without the help of Almighty God we would all be speaking Japanese right now.

Impossible. Even the guy that planned the attack on Pearl insisted that invading the US was impossible.

Everybody in this country pitched in and got to work building ships & planes and with GODS help were able to beat them.

Yeah but this was not all AFTER the attack. We started work on enough new ships to replace the whole fleet in the two years before the attack.

? Hit me first for no reason,?

It was not exactly 'no reason'. We knew war was coming from a long way off. If you follow the '70 years ago real time' thread you will see that everyone that was paying any attention at the time KNEW an attack was coming and war with Japan was imminent. They only did not know where the attack would come and how bad it would be. We knew it would be soon and somewhere. Our sanctions were crippling them. They were not going to give up their aggression in the south so they had to attack to gain resources. Don't take my word for it. Read the thread: World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
20 posted on 12/07/2011 7:43:22 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Borges

I WILL NEVER FORGET OR LET THOSE AROUND ME FORGET... EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LLS


21 posted on 12/07/2011 8:00:48 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: CrazyIvan

Thanks. (not my daughter but my niece) They are both stunning, however. If she sends pictures I’ll post them.


22 posted on 12/07/2011 8:07:27 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Leaning Right

I agree with what you said so well. However, I don’t care whose fault it is, the fact remains that the kids are not learning the history of our country. That is tragic if not criminal. And by the way, most if not all school administrators are ex teachers.
I would also blame the parents for allowing this, but they are also products of this same lack of education.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 8:24:39 AM PST by taillightchaser (The last hope for America--2012)
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To: Leaning Right

Your story would fit well in this discussion, thank you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2817138/posts?page=15

Thanking God for our brave heroes!
spank


24 posted on 12/07/2011 8:38:37 AM PST by spankalib (The Marx-in-the-Parks crowd is a basement skunkworks operation of the AFL-CIO)
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To: Borges
Sad but true.....

I was born right after the end of WWII so I have no first hand memories of that fateful day, but I have heard stories many, many times from my in-laws - who learned of the attack as they exited a movie theater in Denver, Colorado. Within just a short time, my father-in-law had enlisted and went on to spend the next few years in the European Theater. Today, at 94 years old, he still revels in the tales of those years. Blessing to all that served. We shall NEVER forget.

25 posted on 12/07/2011 9:06:05 AM PST by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Borges
Sad but true.....

I was born right after the end of WWII so I have no first hand memories of that fateful day, but I have heard stories many, many times from my in-laws - who learned of the attack as they exited a movie theater in Denver, Colorado. Within just a short time, my father-in-law had enlisted and went on to spend the next few years in the European Theater. Today, at 94 years old, he still revels in the tales of those years. Blessing to all that served. We shall NEVER forget.

26 posted on 12/07/2011 9:06:05 AM PST by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Donkey Odious

Apologies for the double post.....Bush’s fault.


27 posted on 12/07/2011 9:12:04 AM PST by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Borges; flaglady47; mickie
"The survivors....concerned that the event that defined their lives will soon be just another chapter in a history book......"

Rest easy, old timers. Those of us in Freeperdom will never let December 7, 1941 pass without marking the historical event on our forum.....and we will faithfully honor each of you with loving testimonial for your heroic service.

Leni

28 posted on 12/07/2011 10:13:37 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Gee Wally

They also ignored our subs. They did not consider them a threat. Not wise they lost their first ship to a sub, and a lot after that despite some rough starts.


29 posted on 12/07/2011 10:48:14 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CrazyIvan
They also ignored our subs. They did not consider them a threat. Not wise they lost their first ship to a sub, and a lot after that despite some rough starts.

They made a major error in having their subs concentrate on U.S. warships. Like the Germans, we concentrated on their Maritime fleet, the lifeblood of an island nation.

I served on a WWII boat in the '50s (USS Cobia (SS245)). At that time she still had a dent in her hull from where a sampan rammed her and on the forward 40MM, a bullet hole in the chute that ejected the empty shell casing. The log said a quartermaster was killed in these surface actions. That was about all that was left by 1945 - fishing boats and armed junks trying to stave us off.

30 posted on 12/07/2011 11:32:12 AM PST by Oatka (This is the USA, assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka
They made a major error in having their subs concentrate on U.S. warships. Like the Germans, we concentrated on their Maritime fleet, the lifeblood of an island nation.

I served on a WWII boat in the ‘50s (USS Cobia (SS245)). At that time she still had a dent in her hull from where a sampan rammed her and on the forward 40MM, a bullet hole in the chute that ejected the empty shell casing. The log said a quartermaster was killed in these surface actions. That was about all that was left by 1945 - fishing boats and armed junks trying to stave us off.

I have been trying to get up to see the Cobia for some time. It must be nice to know that your boat is still around, not many guys can say that. I attend the reunions for the SSN 583 Sargo. One member of SS 188 Sargo came last time. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to fight one of those old boats. You guys have my utmost admiration.

31 posted on 12/08/2011 6:14:05 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CrazyIvan
I have been trying to get up to see the Cobia for some time. It must be nice to know that your boat is still around, not many guys can say that.

They have a pretty nice setup there. Other Great Lakes maritime stuff as well inside the museum.

I tripped out when I went on board - same old diesel smell brought back TONS of memories. If you get to visit, check out the JT sonar "room" in the forward torpedo room. A large hand-cranked wheel to turn the "T" head topside and just enough room to slide in sideways.

My bunk was the highest on the port side in the forward room, just behind the bowplane motor. Sometimes the guys depressed the planes until they hit the stops, which resulted in a bright blue flash. It didn't happen often but it sure got your attention.

32 posted on 12/09/2011 9:35:25 AM PST by Oatka (This is the USA, assimilate or evaporate.)
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