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Drones Cleared For Domestic Use Across The US
Autonomous Nonprofit Organization “TV-Novosti” ^ | 11/29/2011

Posted on 12/07/2011 6:36:40 AM PST by Just4Him

What do you know about drones? You know drones — those robotic, unmanned planes that fire missiles for the American military across Afghanistan, Pakistan and anywhere else the United States needs to get away with murder. Well if you don’t know too much, don’t worry, that’ll change soon. The Federal Aviation Administration is looking into rules that will bring the controversial aircraft into the country, creating an United States airspace buzzing with tiny, robot planes to look over every inch of American soil — and maybe more. An article published Tuesday in the Los Angeles Times reveals that new drone planes could be coming domestically quite soon, as both law enforcement and the agricultural sector are seeing benefits in keeping an arsenal of unmanned planes ready to patrol the skies. For farmers, drones could bring a new method of pumping pesticides into fields of crops from above; for the cops, the aircraft could conduct surveillance over suspected criminals (think police chopper but remote controlled). The Times reports that utility companies see a benefit in drones as well, giving them a new set of eyes to monitor oil, gas and water pipelines.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: domesticdrones; drone; drones; dronesfaa; dronesinus; dronesus; usdrones
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To: Paladin2
Just ask the cops who don't want to be videoed in public.

This hasn't come up in my area. Wondering how local gov rationalizes such an edict?

41 posted on 12/07/2011 7:28:26 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: redgolum
It's gotta be true, it's on TV-Novosti!

Besides the dubious sourcing for this thread there is a lot of background here that is missing.

The FAA and DHS have been battling UAV regulations for a while. It seems the military has stopped trying to get use of their UAVs in dual use airspace and does most of their training in exclusively military restricted air space.

DHS jumped the gun and started buying Predator B for border security, but has been locked into narrow tracks, at prescribed altitudes and are escorting them back and forth with manned aircraft. They have crashed a couple of them already including one where the contractor paid to operate the thing inadvertently shut the engine off. For the same amount of money and arguably fewer people they could have bought 3 Cessna Caravans per Predator with cameras and gotten a lot more flexibility.

Predator B will be great for patrolling deep into the Caribbean and East Pacific, but it will be a while before it can do anything helpful in the U.S. Unfortunately, the former Air Force general running that agency in DHS loves his fleet of UAVs so a comparatively large portion of his budget goes to the Predator.

The other issue barely mentioned in the article was Ag spraying. I don't see this as an issue. These are large remote controlled helicopters with spraying equipment. You plug in the coordinates of your field and it sprays your crop. You take the thing to the field on the back of a truck.

42 posted on 12/07/2011 7:51:55 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Just4Him

Sounds like they’d make great practice targets!


43 posted on 12/07/2011 7:58:39 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: redgolum
Looks like we are heading for an interesting time. How long till Hellfire strikes on US soil?

To be quickly followed by the LEO rationalization/justification somewhere containing the word "scumbag."

44 posted on 12/07/2011 8:15:05 AM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: NativeSon

Watch for the restriction of sales for .50 cal BMG weapons to REALLY kick into high gear.


45 posted on 12/07/2011 8:20:56 AM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: papertyger

I need to get one, any suggestions?


46 posted on 12/07/2011 8:28:12 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: Just4Him

EVERY drone that patriots see flying outside military airspace should be SHOT DOWN with deer rifles, AR’s, 22 rifles, whatever you have (some can’t be seen from the ground when at altitude). The federal government has NO BUSINESS doing this.


47 posted on 12/07/2011 8:30:18 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: NativeSon
I need to get one, any suggestions?

Hurry?

48 posted on 12/07/2011 8:34:41 AM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: GreenAccord
It’s JUST a camera. If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Sheesh.

It's attitudes like yours that have led to loss of freedom in this country. "Not doing anything wrong" is defined by this tyrannical federal government. Am I "doing anything wrong" if I am growing a certain plant that happens to look like hemp (there are many)? With a drone looking at my garden, that very well may earn me a visit from a DEA SWAT team.

Was Randy Weaver "doing anything wrong" when his rifle stock was 1/4" too short? Had they had drones then, they might have just dropped a Hellfire on his house instead of having the FBI sniper murder his pregnant wife and his son.

Saying "if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" and just letting this government do whatever it wants will lead to people being murdered. It always has, and always will. Government will take every power they can get, and want more.

49 posted on 12/07/2011 8:37:44 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: GreenAccord

Contradict yourself much? Lol


50 posted on 12/07/2011 8:41:20 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: servantboy777
What a complete waste of $300k
It'll cost well more then that when it falls (or crashes) on someone.


51 posted on 12/07/2011 8:44:45 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Travis McGee

Well, you saw that one coming, didn’t you?

0bamas Rural Pacification Program just moved up a notch.


52 posted on 12/07/2011 8:46:22 AM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: MNGal

IIRC the border patrol acknowledges one on the northern border, and a couple on the southern.


53 posted on 12/07/2011 8:48:30 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Travis McGee
Boone Vikersun, pick up the DHS courtesy phone, Boone Vikersun...

(Another Matthew Bracken prediction comes to life.)

54 posted on 12/07/2011 8:55:52 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: backwoods-engineer

I’ve read that the Mudj in Afghanistan had some limited success bending the rotor heads on Soviet helicopters with .303 Enfields back in the Eighties.


55 posted on 12/07/2011 9:00:57 AM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: papertyger
Watch for the restriction of sales for .50 cal BMG weapons to REALLY kick into high gear.

You may be right, although .30 caliber is plenty powerful enough to take out these drones, especially the rotor type, if they drop enough altitude.

56 posted on 12/07/2011 9:01:01 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Thermalseeker

My long-term observation is taht the people tha tmake the rules never actually expect to be held to those rules. Congress, FAA, the genius that designed the building I work in.... But I digress. FAA and the airlines operate IFR, and wish that we VFR types would just go away. We don’t fit their “controlled skies” model. Too much freedom, you know.


57 posted on 12/07/2011 9:07:35 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: papertyger
I’ve read that the Mudj in Afghanistan had some limited success bending the rotor heads on Soviet helicopters with .303 Enfields back in the Eighties.

Yep. And I have it on good authority from those who were there that MANY US choppers were brought down in Vietnam with Mosin-Nagant (7.62x54R, .30 caliber) rifles, many in the hands of young girls.

58 posted on 12/07/2011 9:07:56 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Pecos
The FAA has actually been arguing against allowing UAS operations. What should concern RC fliers is that the FAA wants to get their nose into their business too.
59 posted on 12/07/2011 9:13:21 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: DrewsMum; backwoods-engineer

Ladies, that was sarcasm.

Yeah, I’m outraged that our government would send up spy planes over our country too.


60 posted on 12/07/2011 9:21:10 AM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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