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LIVE: House Judiciary Hearing on Operation Fast and Furious
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Posted on 12/08/2011 7:52:17 AM PST by thouworm

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To: thouworm

He was asked how he was able to comment on the new emails if he had never read them before.
He said that based on what Issa had asked, he formed an opinion. He was then asked if he reads what Issa and Grassley send to his office or if someone else reads those letters.
Holder smilingly asserted that he’s read personally read EVERYTHING Issa and Grassley have sent to his office.
The Senator then laughingly said that the emails in question were given to him by Issa and Grassley in a letter they sent him in July.

Holder said he didn’t read the attachments

Har har har


101 posted on 12/08/2011 10:28:02 AM PST by kajingawd
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To: GraceG

WHO IS THE ONE PERSON IN THE US GOVERNMENT THAT MADE THE FAST AND FURIOUS DECISION?

HOLDER:We don’t know...


102 posted on 12/08/2011 10:28:27 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: GraceG

question ...who is the one person who started F&F.....Holder...we do not know

holy Shiite


103 posted on 12/08/2011 10:28:42 AM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: advertising guy

unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


104 posted on 12/08/2011 10:29:44 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: advertising guy

I am watching delayed...Trent Franks (R-AZ)

Good for him! There are a few on the ball in this hearing. I am stunned by the lack of coordination with ALL the Repubs on this committee. They know how the Dems operate, and they should have been better prepared with a COORDINATED effort to use this hearing to maximum F & F benefit.
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Update at 1:06pm EST: Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) questions the motives of those behind Fast and Furious (gun control). Reads emails from top officials that point to such a scenario. Uh, oh. Holder said he didn’t read these emails but said he has read everything sent to him from Grassley or Issa. Franks then pointed out that the emails were attached to letters sent to Holder from Issa and Grassley. Holder then said he didn’t read attachments.

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/live-blogging-todays-fast-and-furious.html


105 posted on 12/08/2011 10:30:31 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

not really...we have a prez who hates America


106 posted on 12/08/2011 10:30:41 AM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

What a lying sack of crap this Holder is!


107 posted on 12/08/2011 10:30:53 AM PST by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: advertising guy

did Lee and Waters go to lunch I don’t hear they’re mouths anymore?


108 posted on 12/08/2011 10:30:53 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Batman11

Holder seems to be blaming PHOENIX ATF and he shares no blame.


109 posted on 12/08/2011 10:32:00 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

they are in the smokey back room eatin each other


110 posted on 12/08/2011 10:32:15 AM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

you go ted poe!


111 posted on 12/08/2011 10:32:22 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: thouworm
Who made the decision to let guns walk? Holder: we don't know yet.

Unbelievable, reported here first, money was put in the stimulus bill to fund it, Obama signed it.

112 posted on 12/08/2011 10:32:33 AM PST by opentalk
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To: advertising guy

LMAO LOL she is being swung by her tiera.


113 posted on 12/08/2011 10:34:03 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: MileHi

chinese dem woman from Ca speaking about voter id laws thanking Holder for them I just ate....


114 posted on 12/08/2011 10:35:40 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

no cranes allowed in the smokey back room...


115 posted on 12/08/2011 10:36:05 AM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: thouworm

Cheffetz calling HOLDER OUT YOU GO CHEFFETZ


116 posted on 12/08/2011 10:38:16 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

more like a straight kick to the balls


117 posted on 12/08/2011 10:40:00 AM PST by advertising guy (dammit)
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To: advertising guy

cheffetz mentioned over 50 people calling for Issa to resign and he went to the Bahamas and HOLDER separates himself and is oblivious to fast and furious


118 posted on 12/08/2011 10:40:13 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: advertising guy

And the hags are silent they must have gone to eat.


119 posted on 12/08/2011 10:41:01 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: advertising guy

he is going for the jugular. can’t wait for Holder’s reply....

We have taken steps I have ordered an examination blah blah blah personell changes and the chaffetz said no one was fired...


120 posted on 12/08/2011 10:43:15 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Recalls Issa’s letter: “it is clear that Grindler did one of two things. Either, he altered you to the name and operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case your May 3, 2011 testimony in front of Congress was false; or, he failed to inform you of the name and the operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case Grindler engaged in gross dereliction of his duties as Acting Deputy Attorney General. It is fair to infer from the fact that Grindler remains as your Chief of Staff that he did not engage in gross dereliction of his duties and told you about the program as far back as March of 2010.”


121 posted on 12/08/2011 10:43:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: advertising guy

he is going for the jugular. can’t wait for Holder’s reply....

We have taken steps I have ordered an examination blah blah blah personnel changes and the chaffetz said no one was fired...


122 posted on 12/08/2011 10:43:35 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: thouworm
No writings from Holder... clever weasel.

He never reads anything, he never writes anything. Can we conclude that he's illiterate?

123 posted on 12/08/2011 10:45:12 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: ctdonath2

iecess what are they voting on at 2:30?Firing Holder?Holding HOLDER in contempt? Impeachment hearing?


124 posted on 12/08/2011 10:45:58 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: ctdonath2

Recess what are they voting on at 2:30?Firing Holder?Holding HOLDER in contempt? Impeachment hearing?


125 posted on 12/08/2011 10:46:18 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Wag the Dog: shooter on Virginia Tech campus.


126 posted on 12/08/2011 10:48:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

that was good


127 posted on 12/08/2011 10:48:50 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Nary a clue.

From what we’ve perceived so far, whatever the vote is it will be - or better be - meaningless.


128 posted on 12/08/2011 10:49:27 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: advertising guy

Statement of Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith Full Committee Department of Justice Oversight Hearing

For Immediate Release
December 8, 2011
Contact: Kim Smith Hicks, 202-225-3951

Statement of Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith
Full Committee
Department of Justice Oversight Hearing

Chairman Smith: Attorney General Eric Holder appeared before the House Judiciary Committee last May and we appreciate his willingness to appear today to address many issues, including questions about his previous testimony.

While I am pleased to welcome back Attorney General Holder, I am disappointed in the Department’s repeated refusal to cooperate with this Committee’s oversight requests.

This lack of cooperation is evident in the Department’s handling of inquiries related to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF’s) Operation Fast and Furious, and the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.

Operation Fast and Furious intentionally allowed straw buyers for criminal organizations to purchase hundreds of guns so that the ATF could track them across the U.S.-Mexico border. But Fast and Furious had a fatal flaw. Once purchased, there was no attempt to follow the firearms. Instead, the guns were allowed to cross over into Mexico without any coordination with Mexican authorities or any attempt to track the firearms.

Tragically, two of the guns were found at the scene of the shooting death of Customs and Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. And by the Department’s own admission, hundreds of guns remain unaccounted for.

It’s been a year since the death of Agent Terry. Yet, many questions remain as to how such a reckless and dangerous law enforcement program was allowed to operate under the Justice Department.

And inconsistent statements from Department officials about who knew what and when have only raised more concerns.

I am also disappointed in how the Department has responded to my oversight requests regarding Justice Kagan’s involvement in health care legislation or related litigation while she served as United States Solicitor General.

Despite claims from Obama administration officials that then-Solicitor General Kagan was “walled off” from discussions regarding the President’s health care law, recently released e-mails indicate there may be more to the story.

On March 21, 2010, an e-mail from the Deputy Solicitor General forwarded to Solicitor General Kagan contained information about a meeting at the White House on the health care law and asked: “I think you should go, no? I will regardless but feel this is litigation of singular importance.” Solicitor General Kagan responded by asking him for his phone number.

We also know from the e-mails that she personally supported the legislation’s passage. In a March 21, 2010, exchange with a Justice Department colleague discussing the health care legislation, Ms. Kagan exclaims, “I hear they have the votes, Larry!! Simply amazing.”

These e-mails reveal inconsistencies with the administration’s claims that then-Solicitor General Kagan was walled off from this issue.

To help clear up any confusion, I wrote the Justice Department to get additional documents and conduct staff interviews. It took nearly four months before the Department sent a one page response that denied my request.

The Department did not assert any legal privilege over the requested information but simply refused to comply with the request. That is not a sufficient answer.

Health care legislation was passed by the Senate on December 24, 2009. On January 8, 2010, Ms. Kagan told the Deputy Solicitor General that she “definitely would like the Office of the Solicitor General to be involved in” preparations to defend against challenges to the pending health care proposals.

Ms. Kagan found out she was being considered for a potential Supreme Court vacancy on March 5, 2010. So the issue is how involved was she in health care discussions between January 8 and March 5. Just as President Nixon had an eighteen and a half minute gap, does Ms. Kagan have a two month gap?

The Office of the Solicitor General is responsible for defending the positions of the federal government in litigation before the Supreme Court. So it was the duty of then Solicitor General Kagan to participate in meetings and discussions regarding the legal defense strategy for the President’s health care proposal.

It would have been a surprising departure from her responsibilities for Solicitor General Kagan not to advise the Administration on the health care bill.

But if the Department continues to assert that she was “walled off from day one” from discussions, then they should be willing to provide Congress and the public with documentation to prove that statement.

The law clearly states that Justices must recuse themselves if they “participated as counsel, advisor or material witness concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case” while they worked in a government capacity.

The public has a right to know the extent of Justice Kagan’s involvement with this legislation as well as any previously stated legal opinions about the legislation while she served as Solicitor General.

The NFL would not allow a team to officiate its own game. If Justice Kagan was part of the Administration’s team that put the health care mandate into play, she should not officiate when it comes before the Supreme Court.

If the Department has nothing to hide, why not provide Congress with the requested information? The continued refusal to cooperate with legitimate oversight inquiries only heightens concerns that she might have a conflict of interest.

President Obama has promised an “open and transparent government.” Unfortunately, we often see a closed and secretive Justice Department.

http://judiciary.house.gov/news/Statement%20at%20DOJ%20Oversight%20Hearing.html


129 posted on 12/08/2011 10:50:19 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: ctdonath2

I am wondering if the vote is regarding the DOJ stonewalling of Kagan or F&F?


130 posted on 12/08/2011 10:53:45 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: kajingawd; advertising guy; maggief; MestaMachine; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

excellent summary. thanks,

If not anything, Holder is quick on his feet. Hard to nail down jello. Trent has done the best.
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Trent: So the answer to his question would have been NO, that you haven’t given him all of the pertinent emails...

It is very simple in my mind. If there are no emails from you that have been given to Mr. Issa, if there are none regarding this committee, we are left with three options here:
1) that this is not that big a deal to you, and I know that it is,
2)Or somehow for some particular reasons, you don’t write emails so that there can’t be any record
3) OR, that you haven’t given us those emails...

Holder: blah, blah, blah
...I made an exception to the way in which the Justice Dept has always conducted itself with the provision of these materials around that Feb 4th letter and acted in a way with regard to all OTHER email material in the way that all other Attys General before me have, and, on that basis, there are email materials that we HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PRODUCE.

Trent: that is one of the first clear answers that I have gotten today...Is that you have agreed that you have not given the chairman all of the pertinent emails and you are saying that you are NOT going to. At least, that is a clear answer for all of us.


131 posted on 12/08/2011 10:54:23 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

Holder will be thrown under the bus as soon as Obama finds someone to replace and cover for him as well as Holder.


132 posted on 12/08/2011 10:56:13 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: thouworm

news out on this hearing

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lying-holder-says-has-do-your-state-mind_611731.html


133 posted on 12/08/2011 11:06:43 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: thouworm
and, on that basis, there are email materials that we HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PRODUCE.

Oops!

I believe Mr. Eric just purchased the rural agricultural endeavor...

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134 posted on 12/08/2011 11:07:26 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

POE questions Holder:

Update at 1:15pm EST: Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) focuses on the hundreds of Mexican nationals that were killed as a result of this operation. Says willing suspension of disbelief is needed to accept Holder’s claim that he didn’t know about Fast and Furious. Poe demands to know what person was responsible for authorizing the operation. Holder says he doesn’t know. Poe asks Holder if it’s a violation of international law for one nation to allow guns to be smuggled into another country. Holder equivocates and says if both countries agree - like in Wide Receiver - it may be legal. Poe then asks Holder if Mexico knew about Fast and Furious. Holder had no coherent response. Ostensibly, because Mexico, in fact, did not know.

http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2011/12/live-blogging-todays-fast-and-furious.html
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POE: Did the Mexican govt agree to Operation Fast & Furious?

Holder: Not the way in which it was actively carried out.

POE: Would you agree that this operation was reckless?

DUHHHHH! Poe’s next question should have been:

What exactly DID the Mexican government agree to?

When did you first inform the Mexican govt that this operation had run amok?


135 posted on 12/08/2011 11:08:05 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
From your link:

"Update at 1:15pm EST: Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) focuses on the hundreds of Mexican nationals that were killed as a result of this operation. Says willing suspension of disbelief is needed to accept Holder's claim that he didn't know about Fast and Furious...

Random thought as I ignore the ponderous musings of Judy Chu... Isn't it noteworthy that none of these Democrats seem to be overly concerned abou a black Attorney General's culpability in the deaths of hundreds of Mexican nationals? Interesting way for Democrats to court the hispanic vote."

Great observation.

136 posted on 12/08/2011 11:17:18 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: thouworm

bump


137 posted on 12/08/2011 11:35:22 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: thouworm

They are running late returning from recess.Santorum is on.Why don’t people like him he sounds very conservative

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Atty-Gen-Holder-on-Operation-Fast-and-Furious/10737426112-1/


138 posted on 12/08/2011 11:51:54 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: thouworm

Is this a replay or is it starting again on CSPAN?

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Atty-Gen-Holder-on-Operation-Fast-and-Furious/10737426112-1/


139 posted on 12/08/2011 11:56:22 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: TLI

thanks. The Chaffetz interrogation was so blistering, I couldn’t transcribe. Will have to wait for official transcription.

Meanwhile, on Drudge:

HOLDER: ‘Nobody at DOJ lied’...
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/holder-nobody-doj-has-lied/244706

Lying ‘has to do with your state of mind’...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lying-holder-says-has-do-your-state-mind_611731.html

Smuggled ATF Guns Will Be Used in Crimes for ‘Years to Come’...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/08/holder-suggests-fast-and-furious-guns-will-be-used-in-crimes-for-years-to-come/#ixzz1fxckX8d6


140 posted on 12/08/2011 12:01:06 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: NFHale

Huh?

That’s why I wrote, “Follow through and do it.”


141 posted on 12/08/2011 12:02:43 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

hearing resuming now


142 posted on 12/08/2011 12:04:46 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
hearing resuming now

The lying will resume now.
143 posted on 12/08/2011 12:08:59 PM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: thouworm

okay I see now I was watching an older video a few minutes ago.

Why are they talking about pot?


144 posted on 12/08/2011 12:13:18 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: thouworm

Holder junping all over in BS and look at Holder’s assistant behind him to the left.


145 posted on 12/08/2011 12:18:08 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jacquerie

Yeah, I was pretty much emphatically agreeing with you...


146 posted on 12/08/2011 12:25:43 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Roger that.


147 posted on 12/08/2011 12:32:49 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: thouworm

Who’s the @ss jisser from Puerto Rico? Smarmy b-tard.


148 posted on 12/08/2011 12:37:07 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: ZX12R

Dem from Puerto Rico praising Holder as a martyr for answering repetitive equipment and now is concerned about non regulation of gun shows.Talk about towing the party line.His nose is brown.


149 posted on 12/08/2011 12:38:05 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: ZX12R

repetitive questions...poor poor Holder.what a toll dem from PR is.


150 posted on 12/08/2011 12:40:06 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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