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Official Confirms Authenticity of Iranian TV Images of Lost U.S. Drone
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/8/11 | Jennifer Griffin

Posted on 12/08/2011 10:27:28 AM PST by ColdOne

A U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that images aired by Iranian state television do in fact show the secret U.S. drone that went down last week in eastern Iran.

"Yep, that's it," the official told Fox News. "And it's intact."

U.S. officials had been expecting the video to appear. The footage comes after Iran claimed to have shot down the RQ-170 drone after it wandered into its airspace.

SNIP

One official told Fox News on Thursday that the incident is a huge loss and makes the top-secret helicopter tail lost during the Usama bin Laden raid in Pakistan "look like a pittance." The official said there are real fears the Iranians will share this technology with the Russians and the Chinese, in addition to using it themselves.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drone; iran

1 posted on 12/08/2011 10:27:30 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Didn’t any of the incompetents whop developed the thing think to put a demolition in the thing so when it was “out of their control” it would blow itself to pieces?????? I bet the developers made a lot of money developing it.


2 posted on 12/08/2011 10:34:09 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: ColdOne
. . . the senior U.S. official also told Fox News that President Obama was presented with three separate options for retrieving or destroying the drone. The president ultimately decided not to proceed with any of the plans because it could have been seen as an act of war, the official told Fox News.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 10:35:57 AM PST by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: ColdOne

This makes no sense.

this thing auto-landed, gear down, on a smooth surface. ON ITS OWN?????

Something REALLY smells here.

ANY other aircraft would be visibly damaged.


4 posted on 12/08/2011 10:37:05 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: ColdOne

Chinese will be selling knockoffs of this within a year, idrone, buy it now.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 10:38:13 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Genoa
. . the senior U.S. official also told Fox News that President Obama was presented with three separate options for retrieving or destroying the drone. The president ultimately decided not to proceed with any of the plans because it could have been seen as an act of war, the official told Fox News.


Yeah right.

Our president is playing for the other side.

6 posted on 12/08/2011 10:45:36 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: hal ogen

1. “Developers” only design to the requirements in the contract.

2. There are many good reasons NOT to place a destruct charge on a drone.
a) Risk to ground crew during servicing.
b) Better solutions to out of comm connect issues.


7 posted on 12/08/2011 10:47:51 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: ColdOne

There goes 20 years of our technological military advantage.

In 10 years, the world will have caught up. America’s standing in the world economically and now militarilly is in free fall as evil races to catch up without having to spend all the R&D money.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 10:48:07 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Government can only be a consumer of wealth, it can not create wealth.)
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To: Blueflag
It makes sense when you consider that Obama needs to deliver our secrets to the enemy, intact. Didn't Ahmadinnerjacket claim he had a ‘signed contract’ with the Mahdi? Dovetails quite nicely with Obama’s belief he's the 12th Imam.
9 posted on 12/08/2011 10:48:14 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: ColdOne
" The official said there are real fears the Iranians will share this technology with the Russians and the Chinese, in addition to using it themselves.

What about the North Koreans? Can we assume the 'self destruct' software wasn't working? Please - we DO have self destruct software on these babies, right?

10 posted on 12/08/2011 10:51:54 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: ColdOne

I wonder if it was piloted by a Muslim Brotherhood member from our wonderful outreach program? You know, to show how PC we are?

“What happened to your drone, Achmed?”

“Gee, I don’t know. I was flying around and suddenly it landed at Tehran International Airport. En selah.”


11 posted on 12/08/2011 10:52:29 AM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: ColdOne

I wonder if it was piloted by a Muslim Brotherhood member from our wonderful outreach program? You know, to show how PC we are?

“What happened to your drone, Achmed?”

“Gee, I don’t know. I was flying around and suddenly it landed at Tehran International Airport. En selah.”


12 posted on 12/08/2011 10:52:35 AM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: rdcbn

This drone looks like it’s in near mint condition. I assume this drone fell out of the sky either by malfunction or being shot down. How is it in such good condition? It looks like it just came off the assembly line...


13 posted on 12/08/2011 10:53:24 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Blueflag
This makes no sense. this thing auto-landed, gear down, on a smooth surface. ON ITS OWN?????

Something REALLY smells here.

ANY other aircraft would be visibly damaged.

Not really, the entire purpose was to get the drone to China in return for their support of Obama's 2012 reelection. Looking at in that context, it landing in Iran, on it's own, without a scratch, makes perfect sense.

14 posted on 12/08/2011 10:53:55 AM PST by apillar
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To: bigdirty
This drone looks like it’s in near mint condition. I assume this drone fell out of the sky either by malfunction or being shot down. How is it in such good condition? It looks like it just came off the assembly line...

There has been talk that it was hijacked by Russian Electronic Warfare equipment. If this is true, it would explain why it was not destroyed and that it landed intact. The Iranians were controlling the flight and landing.

15 posted on 12/08/2011 10:57:01 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: ColdOne
Considering the condition of the aircraft, the senior U.S. official also told Fox News that President Obama was presented with three separate options for retrieving or destroying the drone. The president ultimately decided not to proceed with any of the plans because it could have been seen as an act of war, the official told Fox News.

Reagan would have demanded it be returned within 24 hours or the bombs start falling and he would have backed that up with action. Obama does nothing. How many Americans will die in the future because of this?

16 posted on 12/08/2011 10:57:30 AM PST by One_American
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To: bigdirty
I fantasize that this is some sort of covert coup. It has special tracking mechanism and listening devices along with some newly minted viruses that allow us to control and see all of Iran's nuclear plans and progress. Surely they will be trying to plug it in and understand how we control all of our UAVs. This should help them make UAVs completely useless to us if they can take control of them (as they may have done if my fantasy is not true).

If this was some sort of CIA coup, I will happily give Obama credit. The alternative seems just to damaging otherwise.

17 posted on 12/08/2011 10:57:58 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Government can only be a consumer of wealth, it can not create wealth.)
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To: Blueflag

“Something REALLY smells here.”

I’m totally with you. We just let our highest-value asset be programmed to just turn itself over the enemy? It didn’t have self-destruct capability? Did the Iranians crack the crypto link? Did Obama just hand it over? What the hell is going on here? None of this adds up.


18 posted on 12/08/2011 10:58:12 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Blueflag

Michael Savage pegged this on day one!
He questioned whether or not this thing was shot down.
Now we know!
Will there be an investigation???????
Not on Zero’s watch.


19 posted on 12/08/2011 11:00:27 AM PST by mark3681
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To: ColdOne

The Iranians will make a fortune off of this. The thing is huge.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 11:00:55 AM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: G Larry
A lot of armchair engineers out there seem to think all military hardware has some kind of bomb in it. They must watch too much scifi. I guess they also think that all technicians are trained at bomb disarming and disposal.
21 posted on 12/08/2011 11:01:48 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yep something smells. Congressional committee stat. That plane didn’t crash, it landed.


22 posted on 12/08/2011 11:01:55 AM PST by DAC21
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To: Tenacious 1
A "covert coup"? Where'd they get that idea?

More likely, these were "defective" Chinese chips that handed it over.

23 posted on 12/08/2011 11:01:55 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TalonDJ

Not ALL military hardware. Just the multi-billion dollar skunkworks projects that give us a 10 - 20 year advantage over our enemies.

If it didn’t have self-destruct capability, then why didn’t we dispatch aircraft to go destroy it in the air?

We are so screwed now with this Clinton redux.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 11:04:39 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ColdOne

It has got to be a “Trojan Horse”.
Dear God, please let that be the case.


25 posted on 12/08/2011 11:10:21 AM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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Armchair engineer: These things should explode if anyone else gets their hands on it!

Real Engineer: Ok it costs 4 time as much now.
Armchair Engineer: What? Why!!

Real Engineer: We have to train all of our test engineers in bomb disposal and we have to build into the cost of development the five or six that are likely to blow up in the datalink debugging and control station testing.

Armchair Engineer: Oh… but can’t you make it only blow up if someone bad has it?

Real Engineer: Well we have not invented a ‘someone bad’ detector yet. We thought about using an IFF remote system but no one wants to go near it. If that part is faulty it will blow up on the runway. If you want to let us pay our technicians ten times their normal rate we can put that feature in

Armchair Engineer: Oh, maybe not. Well what about crashing itself if anything goes wrong.

Real Engineer: Do you have any idea how much ‘anything’ goes wrong during normal testing?

Armchair Engineer: Well don’t put that feature in until AFTER testing. Duh!

Real Engineer: Right… Well if you don’t want us to test that feature that is fine. Ok, we need ten million more in insurance money in case one decides to hit school later during training. I assume you don’t mind if it crashed into troops when it is in the field.

Armchair Engineer: Oh wait. No that is bad don’t do that.

Real Engineer: Ok how about we make it auto land if it gets low on fuel or loses navigation capability or is damaged.
Armchair Engineer: What? When war robots get damaged they are suppose to go crazy and kill people. Everyone one knows that!

Real Engineer: Go watch some more scifi and leave the engineering up to the professionals.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 11:17:04 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

We’re leaving all our best equipment behind when we leave Iraq. Now we give them our top secret drone in operational condition and they likely took over and landed it. Perhaps 0 should get in his well as time draws near. He sure isn’t working for the US.


27 posted on 12/08/2011 11:22:26 AM PST by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: mcshot

The thing was programed to fly itself and land at the first place it can if something goes wrong.
The autopilot was set to land, not self destruct and that is the problem.


28 posted on 12/08/2011 11:25:05 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Yep, that’s what I was thinking too.


29 posted on 12/08/2011 11:33:52 AM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: ColdOne

Probably a dummy. Great way to deliver a virus and tech that is now obsolete. Enemies start to copy the tech, we know exactly what they have. Meanwhile we deploy more advanced drones.


30 posted on 12/08/2011 11:40:21 AM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: TalonDJ

Pyrotechnic fasteners (aka “explosive bolts”) are used to ensure separation between rocket stages. Probably all booster stages are equipped with explosive charges so that the boosters can be destroyed if they go out of control on launch. Scuttle charges have been used widely on subs and ships. Gas generators are close cousins of pyrotechnic fasteners and are used to power turbopumps, inflate balloons, eject parachutes, and inflate automobile airbags. You are sitting in front of a pyro charge every time you drive your car.

People have been trained to safely work with all these devices.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 11:48:18 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TalonDJ
NASA Standard Detonator ("NSD") commonly used on frangible nuts. People in spaceflight operations are trained to work safely with NSDs.


32 posted on 12/08/2011 11:54:44 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ColdOne

I’d like to think it’s crammed full of Stuxnet-type viruses just waiting for the Iranians to download.


33 posted on 12/08/2011 12:03:54 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Where's he getting these ideas? He's not smart enough to be that stupid all by himself.)
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To: TalonDJ

“Armchair Engineer”

Rockets and missles have self-destruct systems in case they go out of control. And, come to think of it, every time a fighter aircraft lands with a live AIM-120 AAMRAM or a Sidewinder, they are landing with a live “self-destruct” charge in the missile, right? You can handle the drone like you handle a missile.
A small warhead could have been installed during these type of high risk missions and removed for CONUS flights. Would this require more logisitics and training — yes, it would have. However, it could have safeguarded US technology.


34 posted on 12/08/2011 1:01:10 PM PST by Londo Molari
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To: ColdOne

Our Marxist, ‘Quisling in Chief’, pulls another boner.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 1:06:49 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Prokopton
There has been talk that it was hijacked by Russian Electronic Warfare equipment. If this is true, it would explain why it was not destroyed and that it landed intact. The Iranians were controlling the flight and landing.

If the Iranians did anything, it was probably to jam the drone's communication link to its pilot. To actually take over control, they would have had to break the encryption to start with, and that seems highly unlikely.

The question is, assuming the drone lost its pilot, what was it programmed to do? Ideally, it would be to return to base and self-destruct or dive into the ground if unable.

36 posted on 12/08/2011 2:41:18 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
There is a large difference between a nut that can go *bang* and a bomb large enough to destroy an entire aircraft. Not just shoot it down, but obliterate the technology. That is a pretty big bomb. The problem is not working with the bomb safely. The problem is that when you connect it to sensors specifically designed to make it blow if someone is working on it. If there is an easy (and safe) way to disarm it then there is no point in having it there in the first place because it will be easily defeated. NASA bolts and air bags are designed to NOT explode if you work on them. The same is true for air to air missiles, which someone else mentioned. Missiles and bolts cage be ‘safed’ by a technician because they are not designed specifically to blow technicians up.

Airbags are dangerous to work on and they are not even designed to explode if you work on them.

But even all that would have an engineering solution if there was a need for it. There isn't. The ‘self destruct’ on sensitive crashed planes is a 2 thousand pound bomb under an F-16. You lose a drone and you send the F-16 to bomb it. It is simple and saves a lot of development effort. The only weak spot of that system is the will of the president who has to order bombs dropped on another country.

There is no point in lugging around all the weight (drones already have a tiny payload) and risking maintainer's lives when you have a simple solution. The whole POINT of a drone is that they are less complex, cheaper, have long range, and don't risk anyone's life. If you put a big touchy bomb on each one you reduce every one of those benefits.

37 posted on 12/13/2011 7:28:37 AM PST by TalonDJ
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