Posted on 12/08/2011 2:41:37 PM PST by George Varnum
...3 companies of infantry were polled by questionnaire about the drill and it’s purpose. One of the questions was, will you as a member of the Nat. Guard use lethal force against the American public if ordered to do so? One of the men stepped forward and refused to take the poll and explained that it was a moral judgement on his part and that he could not do so. He then placed his weapon on the ground and fell in behind the formation. Devon said it was like a waterfall, Every member layed their weapons on the deck and fell in beside the one lone specialist. ...
(Excerpt) Read more at oathkeepers.org ...
Over the course of years, that could change I suppose.
It could change more quickly than you think, if the USG is threatened by a rebellion. I know this is going to sound a little odd coming from me, but we're too young to know what the USG is capable of. It would take a member of the Greatest Generation, who lived through World War 2 and its propaganda, to tell us.
Were there a rebellion, the rebels would be labelled "the New Confederacy" faster than you can sing "Hang Jeff Davis On A Sour Apple Tree." Which would be sung quite a lot by the troops in such an eventuality. And, rubbed in through as many ways as drill sergeants can think of.
If the USG wanted to set an example, all they'd have to do is Danny Deever a few rebel aid'ers in faux-Confederate uniforms, vidcam it, and show the clip to all the troops. With the official propganda thrown in.
As I said, we have no idea what the USG is capable of in the propaganda department. Especially when the Left is full-throatedly behind the war effort, as they were in WWII and would be if a bunch of 'right wing traitors' rebelled.
One handgun could do nothing against such an onslaught.
The trouble with rebelling against a domestic government, as opposed to a foreign power, is the the latter can save face somewhat by recalling the troops back to home. The former can't.
No true. Go down the thread. There were others who posted about them being fired on. The never fired indescriminatly. That is a shame you think that. Don’t ever say you support the military.
I know what the Guard’s mission and Oath is because I was in after being on active duty.
I call BS on this story.
Whatever your politics, you break ranks in a battalion formation and lay your weapon on the ground, you are going to be doing rifle PT until the Sarn Maj, First Shirt, and ALL the Plat Daddies get tired.
And there is no way everyone thought this was was a good idea.
Thanks for the link and taking the time to look it up. The Guard wouldn’t just fire on people. It’s surprising that some on this great site think they would.
My wife’s brother, who lives in Germany, read in some newspaper from one of those eastern European countries that this story was confirmed by a Russian tree trimmer who overheard the house owner on a phone call to his cousin’s neighbor in Latvia who swears she knows someone who was in touch with a friend in California who witnessed the whole thing. It must be true.
*Whew* Lot’s to read there.
Well said
Yeah; I hear ya; If I listed any more of my character defects people might start falling asleep. There is hardly ever a lack of others enthusiastically willing to fill in the blanks though, so I rarely have to.
I hope everyone noticed in my commentary that this was reported as “Unconfirmed” and I’m passing it along as such hoping that someone with some personal knowledge of this particular unit (if it even exists) might be able to offer some insight.
If it is indeed “BS” as well it might be, I would hope that someone could credibly confirm it as such so we could move on.
A lot has been happening the past few days, not the least of which was the Senate passing the very controversial Senate Bill 1867 :
http://www.naturalnews.com/034291_SB_1867_war_on_terror.html
Which you have to admit might tend to make some of us a little sensitive to this sort of thing.
Apparently there is some precedent for similar situations, such as (from the Oath Keeper’s site):
“If accurate, this is reminiscent of the stand-down during Katrina by SSGT Joshua May’s Utah National Guard Unit, where the whole unit let their commander know, in a peremptory refusal, that they would not participate in any gun confiscation”.
See the video of his testimony at their site.
Regardless of the authenticity of this report (and the jury seems to be still very much out) our currently ruling regime, IMHO, bears watching... closely.
Re: “My wife’s brother, who lives in Germany,...”
Well, that corks it then! Thanks ever so much!
I can’t help but wonder if this has made the SNOPES “Urban Myth” status yet?
Thank you!
Aren’t you surprised at the number of people here who railing against the military, yet claim to be pro-military? No waiting til they have all the facts. It’s just jump on the “must be true” bandwagon.
You asked :)
2/3rds, pinging for your consideration.
This unit will be in my prayers.
Amazing how none of the investigations found that to be true.
That is a shame you think that. Don’t ever say you support the military.
I supported it for the almost 30 years I spent in it.
Apparently Oath Keepers is now saying that the two Guardsmen allegedly involved are now repenting of ever having mentioned it, and want nothing more to do with the whole affair, which is being handled “in house”. Those of us who have been in the military know what that’s like.
A General in California is insisting that no such thing ever happened, even though it allegedly went down in Ill..
Nothing to see here folks; just move along, now.
I get the impression that something potentially embarrassing to the NG probably happened, the details of which we may never know for sure, as those involved seem to have been served a big steaming hot canteen cup of STFU.
Something might eventually leak out, but I’m not holding my breath.
I’m inclined to believe it, personally - but those of you who don’t are well within your rights of course and I won’t blame you one iota for it.
I live 20 miles from there every year they have something in the paper there was a well written recap a couple years back that stated there were shots most likely fired by instigators who were known to be around and not the average picket types. I’ll see if I can dig up a copy. Of course the MSM stopped reporting any new facts by the time the final investigation was completed and the ‘movement’ was quick to exploit it throughout the rest of the US. In any case I think the pensioner army is a better example of what could happen.
“Very highest military” is a minuscule handful of people! I supposed you missed this.
“Is **this** how they watch the backs of the ***brave and honorable troops*** serving under them. “ I guess you missed this part too. This “brave and honorable” applies to ALL but the above handful.
I'd say, you are deliberately being very selective in your reading or willfully defending the impossible.
Our BRAVE and HONORABLE troops deserve a natural born American citizen as president who does not issue insane rules of engagement or supports murderous political factions dedicated to the destruction of our troops and the American people. I think the handful of very highest military should care about it, too. OBVIOUSLY, they don't!
I don’t know what to believe. I’m well away from anyone involved. What this is telling me, though, is that our country is moved farther and farther apart. We need to be aware of the different ideologies current in the US and we need to be prepared to take a stand. I read a rumor on FR today that Cain was going to stay in the race until, on the way to the announcement Saturday, he was made aware of new death threats against his grandchildren. We need to decide what stand we’re going to take against this evil which will wage its war by even taking victims from our extended family. Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor are possibly being laid on the table of sacrifice.
“If this is true,...”
I guess you missed this, too.
>grin<
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