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Is U.S. Drone Shown on Iran TV Real?
ABC NEWS ^ | December 8, 2011 | MARTHA RADDATZ, LEE FERRAN, LUIS MARTINEZ

Posted on 12/08/2011 3:49:56 PM PST by gandalftb

The aircraft shown on Iranian television today likely was not the American stealth drone that crashed in Iran last week, as the Iranian government claimed, but was likely just a model, U.S. officials told ABC News.

Today U.S. officials said the drone did not land intact.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; rq170; uav
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It is a fake.

By taking measurements from the video, assuming the men were 6 foot tall, the "aircraft" wingspan can be no more than 30 feet. The wingspan of a RQ-170 is no less than 46 feet.

Look at the seam where the wings join the fuselage. Is Lockheed Martin using duct tape or putty to cover the seam? The RQ-170 has no seam there because that's where the wheel wells are underside.

The color is all wrong. The intake grill is wrong.

If it was shot down or crashed, where's the damage?

If it was directed to land, how could they control it without crashing. They would show pictures of it on the ground with wheels down.

We know that the UAV ran out of fuel and crashed.

This isn't just a fake, it's a cheesy fake.

1 posted on 12/08/2011 3:50:14 PM PST by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb

On the news it said the CIA or some government agency said it was ours; also that Obama didn’t want to get it back clandestinely so’s not to upset Iran. Smell test?????


2 posted on 12/08/2011 3:54:06 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: gandalftb

I took one look at the original picture that was published, and thought it was a fake.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 3:54:06 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: gandalftb

Yeah, like the photo shop image of rocket launches they released showing a faked extra rocket.


4 posted on 12/08/2011 3:57:19 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: gandalftb
Here is a confirmed photo of an RQ-170:

It is far larger than the Iranian fake.

5 posted on 12/08/2011 4:00:28 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

fake?...figures, with our overwhelmed above his pay grade President


6 posted on 12/08/2011 4:01:54 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: gandalftb
This isn't just a fake, it's a cheesy fake.

It's positively EdWoodian

7 posted on 12/08/2011 4:02:52 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: gandalftb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-170


8 posted on 12/08/2011 4:05:47 PM PST by Signalman
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To: gandalftb
Here's some pics of what the Iranians showed compared to what we have.

Apparently those on the ground wanted to destroy what was left but were overruled by someone who did not want to enflame the Iranians. What?

My thinking would have put a JDAM on target...whther wrecked or partially intact. And if the Iranian Revolutionary Guard was already there, all the better. It's way past time we paid them back with large interest for killing US soldiers in Iraq in border incursions there.

9 posted on 12/08/2011 4:13:16 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

We’ve already admitted that we are conducting UAV sorties over E Iran and the Iranians have been complaining.

The RQ-170 has an internal electronically armored homing ability to return it to base. This RQ-170 ran out of fuel, loitering over the target area.

We certainly could have cratered it with a JDAM, we would know it’s crash position because the RQ-170 would be pinging its GPS constantly, even after it went to ground. We can target and release JDAMs 35 miles up range from 35K+ altitude from any number of stealth aircraft.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 4:20:00 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

I wondered when I saw the picture how it looked like it had simply landed on an airfield. I think maybe they knew one had gone down and decided to make the most of it. Alternatively they got the thing but the wreckage would not be identifiable in a picture so they made their own. A fellow I work with makes exquisite model planes out of foam dinner plates and such that are near perfect scale models. It doesn’t take him a terribly long to do it. On some he works from pictures and finds out the measurements later but already has them right. He is a not bright person and I wish he could figure out how to sell that talent.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 4:20:22 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: gandalftb
I smell a rodent.

Can this administration ever be honest about...anything?

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12 posted on 12/08/2011 4:20:45 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Jeff Head
Add this photo. No wing seams here.
13 posted on 12/08/2011 4:22:38 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

The hussein dunce nixed the idea of destroying it.


14 posted on 12/08/2011 4:23:15 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: SkyDancer

It could be there is something on that drone we want them to have so they will think they have something real. The Pueblo incident seems to have been something like that. We allowed the Norks and thus the Russians to capture a code machine they needed that included a back door so that we could read their stuff for a long time after.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 4:24:44 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Jeff Head

Well, the color is wrong and the leading edge looks funny.


16 posted on 12/08/2011 4:27:25 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: SkyDancer

OK everybody, what’s cheesier and more laughable, let’s vote:

Iran’s fake RQ-170

or

Obama’s goofball cover story


17 posted on 12/08/2011 4:27:26 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

I’m trying to remember the last propaganda picture the Iranians used showing a new ‘weapon’ that they were going to use. It had the flags draped in the background (same set-up) and ,I swear, the thing they showed looked like it had been spray painted with gold. Wish I could remember that picture. It was pretty laughable and cheesy. All that was needed was the ‘wheel spinners’ and it would have been complete.


18 posted on 12/08/2011 4:33:15 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: arthurus

There was no time to make a model after the crash.

The putty/tape is VERY easy to explain.

They cut the wings off to quickly transport it by truck and whisk it away from the landing site before we got smart and tried to locate and destroy it.

That’s HOW you move an aircraft fast, you take the wings off by any means necessary. It has no rivets or aluminum weld lines which means it is made of a modern composite. It’s easy to just saw through it. I have a lot of experience with fiberglass and carbon fiber aircraft.


19 posted on 12/08/2011 4:34:39 PM PST by Advil000
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To: gandalftb
You're a day late and a dollar short.
 
It's the REAL drone we lost.
 
All the Obama/Islamic  controlled MSM outlets are crapping out the "fake" story because they know how damaging this is to Obama's reelection chances, and you gullible dupes are falling for it..
 
Officials Confirm Authenticity of Iranian TV Images Showing Lost US Drone

20 posted on 12/08/2011 4:35:19 PM PST by wolficatZ ("You might think yer a comedian, but yer not funny.")
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To: gandalftb
It is far larger than the Iranian fake.

Oh my...

Is this a smaller scaled proof of prototype that was fitted with false electronics or "other" intel gathering data equipment to get a leg up on the Iranians?

Could this even be the Mossad?

If they punking Wackmadinajob and all his minions it would laugh for days...

21 posted on 12/08/2011 4:41:20 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: gandalftb

Don’t change the title of articles.


22 posted on 12/08/2011 4:41:42 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: gandalftb

All stories I’ve read say they do have one. But then, the fat lady hasn’t sung yet.


23 posted on 12/08/2011 4:42:26 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: gandalftb
Add this photo. No wing seams here.

Then you're not looking hard enough.

What is the black line extending from the outboard opening of the wheel-well that extends from the forward corner of the wheel well along the bottom surface of the wing, around the leading edge of the wing and over the upper surface of the wing if not a seam?


24 posted on 12/08/2011 4:43:15 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Paladin2
Without a tail, flying wings need significant wing flight control surfaces on the trailing edge to control the pitch. Look at the puny ailerons on the Iranian fake. Look at the ailerons on der Luftwaffe Ho V, verstehen?
25 posted on 12/08/2011 4:43:22 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

The fact that they are masking the landing gear from view is a tip off that theirs is a fake. The landing gear would give away a fake.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 4:50:11 PM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Oops! The title to this article was:

“Is U.S. Drone Shown on Iran TV Real?”

The original article I started to post had the following headline:

“Iranian Drone ‘Looks Like A Fake,’” With the following link:

http://defense.aol.com/2011/12/08/iranian-drone-looks-like-a-fake-not-an-rq-170-former-dod-off/

ABC has more credibility and I forgot to change the title. Thanks for catching that.


27 posted on 12/08/2011 4:50:11 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

Ja, aber das is b4 Das Komputer flugzeug Kontrol, nicht wahr?


28 posted on 12/08/2011 4:50:21 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: gandalftb
OK everybody, what’s cheesier and more laughable, let’s vote:

I know it was probably a rhetorical question, but....

Iran’s fake RQ-170: While certainly laughable, it's the typical, expected cheesy move of a third-rate despotic, whack job regime.

Obama’s goofball cover story: It's the typical, expected cheesy move of a third-ra.....ummmm.....I'm not laughing, how about you?

29 posted on 12/08/2011 4:51:27 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (Disgusted with it all.)
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To: gandalftb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs


30 posted on 12/08/2011 4:55:35 PM PST by caldera599
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To: Paladin2

Ja, natürlich, aber die Aerodynamik kann nicht betrogen werden.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 4:55:45 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: Jeff Head

at .47 in the video you can see damage on front of the wing ,looks like cardboard or paper


32 posted on 12/08/2011 4:56:24 PM PST by molson209
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To: Jeff Head
My thinking would have put a JDAM on target...

My thinking would have equipped it with a self-destruct device to be activated after a known interval since the last contact. IOW, if it's real, we meant for them to find it.

33 posted on 12/08/2011 4:57:23 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Democrats are and always have been the Party of the Extremely Rich and the Party of Slavery.)
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To: Jeff Head
Perhaps folks should ask the question of why it appears to be a similar color to "butter Jesus", as opposed to an actual military paint color. Could it be that the Iranians forgot that the color of epoxy and fiberglass over foam isn't an official USAF camo color? Just a thought.
34 posted on 12/08/2011 5:00:05 PM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Kommodor

Oh, sorry for the poor formatting there, guess I need to use paragraph tags too (sigh).


35 posted on 12/08/2011 5:01:10 PM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: gandalftb

Even if this drone is real, it’s not going be flight-worthy because they don’t have the software and hardware to start it up and get it in to the air. Once it’s rolled out of the hangar, it might be able to become tracked by satellite back here.


36 posted on 12/08/2011 5:01:17 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: gandalftb
In a way, this has the stink of the Bernie Schwarz/Clinton/Loral deal, albeit perhaps with a deliberate twist of physical disinformation. After all, if you are the like of Loral or Raytheon, think of the contracts to replace your now obsolete existing technology should the "enemy" suddenly catch up.

Your creditors are happy (China), your contractors are happy, your Taxechusetts/Calipornia congressthugs are happy to spread the pork...

What's not to like?

37 posted on 12/08/2011 5:03:40 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Democrats are and always have been the Party of the Extremely Rich, the Party of Slavery.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Good eyes, that appears to be an assembly seam, outboard of the wheel wells. The Iranians copied that seam but covering it with putty or duct tape, per the video, is just comical.

If they had the real deal the seam would be flawless like the photo.

BTW, look at the width of the aileron on the trailing edge of the wing. Compare that with the size and location of the ailerons on the video fake.


38 posted on 12/08/2011 5:05:28 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb
Without a tail, flying wings need significant wing flight control surfaces on the trailing edge to control the pitch. Look at the puny ailerons on the Iranian fake. Look at the ailerons on der Luftwaffe Ho V, verstehen?

Careful...

The RQ170 might have; Elevons, Flaps for Landings and Drag / Split Ailerons some for role control but more for drag on landing. Just like the B-2 and F117, But the Iranians pulled up some spoilers too....

39 posted on 12/08/2011 5:08:23 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: gandalftb
Check out the (fuzzy pic to be sure) control surface size on the alleged pic of the real thing flying.

I was thinking that there could be a moveable mass (with an additional real function) in the drone to change the cog (and attitude) without external surface changes. Or they could fool with the power. Who knows?

40 posted on 12/08/2011 5:08:26 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: arthurus
We allowed the Norks and thus the Russians to capture a code machine they needed that included a back door so that we could read their stuff for a long time after.

So, we gave them the Pueblo and the code machine knowing full well they would start using the code machine for their own purposes without knowing that we were following their every transmission via the "back door".......

Right.....makes sense to me.

41 posted on 12/08/2011 5:12:16 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Carry_Okie
our contractors are happy, your Taxechusetts

Ouch, a satire hit @ Rayethon if my memory is correct, any others?

42 posted on 12/08/2011 5:19:27 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Paladin2

Our UAVs have gimballed thrust nozzle on their engines and obtain attitude control from that too.

However, at low speed such as landing and takeoff you need wing surface control.


43 posted on 12/08/2011 5:24:35 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

Is that a giant reading a newspaper at the planes 1:00o’clock position?


44 posted on 12/08/2011 5:41:59 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Coffee for your TEA party (www.dougsmugs.com))
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To: Jeff Head
The color looks like the type of resin used in model kits.Here is a photo of a 1/144 RQ-170 Sentinel from HobbyLink Japan

The model can be purchased on line for about $30.78. It would be a simple matter to scale it up from there.

45 posted on 12/08/2011 5:55:34 PM PST by jmcenanly (Things will be better in 2013)
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To: jmcenanly

Maybe they downloaded the paper version you can build and upscaled it!
http://myhobbycraft.blogspot.com/search/label/aircraft?updated-max=2011-11-18T17:58:00-08:00&max-results=20


46 posted on 12/08/2011 6:06:22 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: gandalftb

"If it was shot down or crashed, where's the damage?"

What do you make of this?:

"John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a consulting firm, said he would have expected far more damage if the aircraft had hit the ground in an uncontrolled crash. But Richard F. Healing, an aviation consultant and former member of the National Transportation Safety Board, said many unmanned vehicles were “basically gliders,” with large wings relative to their weight. If it ran out of fuel, he said, a drone “might come down gently” and be damaged only lightly if it did not hit a tree or building."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/world/middleeast/iran-shows-us-drone-on-tv-and-lodges-a-protest.html

47 posted on 12/08/2011 6:09:33 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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Ouch, a satire hit @ Rayethon if my memory is correct, any others?

Between Taxechusetts and California, you've got Raytheon, Loral, General Death, Northrop, Turkeys Running Wild, Teledyne, Huge Air Crash... Yeah, I know, a lot of those companies are gone but a lot of the operations are still intact. It's been a while, and I'm glad of it. :-)

I don't miss military electronic components manufacturing one bit. Gad what a wasteful cesspool of corruption that was! It's absolutely amazing anything we made actually worked in the field. Every one of those companies makes more money in selling paperwork than they do in selling hardware. Not a page of it does more than assure that the part meets spec. It does NOT mean that it will work when installed. Hell, I knew one guy who reportedly shipped empty components with fraudulent data knowing that they would fail incoming inspection at the customer end. He did it because the penalties for being late were worse than the warranty replacement plus the cost of making fakes! I almost got fired for explaining to a customer why we he was having problems with one of our parts because of the last lead bending operation. Our sales guys were trying to get them to do it and lying through their teeth in the process. One cracked lead was $3,600 bucks down the tubes and they'd do so unless you babied them. So then the customer puts them in a missile?

I hated those people. Whether the stuff works is a life and death matter and they treated it like a meaningless game. I've worked in MIL-Spec houses that weren't like that, but it seemed that the bigger they got the worse it was.

48 posted on 12/08/2011 6:10:48 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Democrats are and always have been the Party of the Extremely Rich, the Party of Slavery.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

My AF job 40+ years ago was the AF version(C-47s, C-135s) of what those sailors were doing on Pueblo. One of the older guys in the unit made some suggestions.


49 posted on 12/08/2011 6:18:33 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: gandalftb
We can believe everything the Iranians say.


50 posted on 12/08/2011 6:49:41 PM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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