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Gingrich on Obama’s healthcare law: ‘About 300 pages are pretty good’ [300 out of 2,409]
The Hill ^ | 9/30/2011 | James Klatell

Posted on 12/09/2011 7:10:27 PM PST by Hoodat

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Pay close attention. Newt Gingrich wants to replace Obamacare with Gingrichcare.
1 posted on 12/09/2011 7:10:33 PM PST by Hoodat
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To: Hoodat

Oh vomit... The other 90% is RomneyCare.


2 posted on 12/09/2011 7:16:44 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Hoodat

Yeah, I support Gingrich but I don’t like this idea. We don’t need national healthcare...no matter how benign it will eventually be perverted into British style government driven bureaucracy. We need to convince Newt to leave healthcare to the open market. If I had my way I would outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 7:17:55 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Hoodat

Don’t leave us in suspense NOOT!

Which 300 pages isn’t crap?

Is it the part about requiring indiviudals to purchase healthcare?
Is it Death Panels?
What is it?

Like normal, Gingrich wants a big government solution to Healthcare that he thinks he will be able to make work. Good luck trying to convince him otherwise, because, he is after all, the smartest guy in the room.


4 posted on 12/09/2011 7:22:29 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: ez
If I had my way I would outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay.

Right, from each according to their ability to each according to their need. Yep, that should work!

5 posted on 12/09/2011 7:22:36 PM PST by Prokopton (.)
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To: ez
force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay.

My great grandfather accepted what people could pay. ,
Lots of chicken was eaten in the household.

6 posted on 12/09/2011 7:23:19 PM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: Hoodat

Yeah, the blank pages.


7 posted on 12/09/2011 7:23:42 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; if they don't say "Merry Christmas", don't buy.)
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To: Prokopton

No, it’s called the free market.


8 posted on 12/09/2011 7:24:15 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: ez

Polls have been pretty clear that although Americans are very much against Obamacare, they are in favor of reforming the healthcare system.

Medicare is going bankrupt. Insurance costs keep going up. These are problems that a Republican candidate is going to have to answer. And simply saying to repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing is a losing strategy.

And during the whole Obamacare debate, Republicans never argued against some type of reform. House Republicans even offered their own version.


9 posted on 12/09/2011 7:24:58 PM PST by floridarunner01
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To: parksstp

Did he say that in the 300 pages we would have national healthcare? I didn’t see or hear it. There could be anything in that law that is far beyond any healthcare. Could be nothing to do with healthcare. I know I haven’t read it all. Have you? Do you for sure know which 300 pages Newt is talking about? Maybe they are blank.


10 posted on 12/09/2011 7:25:24 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Hoodat

And the EPA with the ESA.


11 posted on 12/09/2011 7:26:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: VicVega

You mistake my post...I mean let the market set the price. IOW what the people, as a whole, can afford to pay. Like the way we set the cost of a loaf of bread. Insurance allows the hospitals and doctors to escalate their fees until ordinary folks could never afford to pay them.


12 posted on 12/09/2011 7:26:36 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Prokopton

Doctor = serf. I want to see a doctor that doesn’t want to see me. Maybe I’ll bring a bottle of vodka and a box of chocolates.


13 posted on 12/09/2011 7:27:15 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: ez
We need to convince Newt to leave healthcare to the open market.

That ain't gonna happen. In Newt's mind, he is way more smarter than you, and he knows what is best for you. Support Newt at your own peril, because government intrusion into individual health insurance will be cemented with a Gingrich Presidency. Why settle? Let's get a candidate who recognizes that government is the problem and cannot possibly be the solution. Gingrich still clings to the progressive fallacy that proper tweaking of government programs will lead to success.

14 posted on 12/09/2011 7:30:31 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

Depends on what we are talking about. If it involves the free market I am all for it. It is to easy to pile on when all the facts are not known.


15 posted on 12/09/2011 7:30:59 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Hoodat
Love Newt's Healthcare Solutions. With these Patient Power reforms, healthcare can be transformed from an anchor on our economy to an engine. From a broken, fragmented system to a coordinated, innovative system that delivers more choices at lower cost for all Americans. This comprehensive approach—cost, quality, competition, and coverage—can solve the problem of the uninsured with no individual mandate and no employer mandate. Everyone would be able to obtain essential health care and coverage when needed. For those who are too poor to buy health insurance, states will have more flexibility to provide them with the assistance they need to buy it. For those who nevertheless choose not to purchase coverage and then become too sick to do so, high risk pools will provide access to coverage. Once you have health insurance, you are assured you can keep it. By contrast, even Obamacare for all its trillions in taxes, spending, new entitlements, and new bureaucracy still does not achieve universal coverage http://www.newt.org/solutions/healthcare
16 posted on 12/09/2011 7:31:15 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: rwilson99

Wrong..Newt’s Healthcare solutions is a FAR cry from ObamaRoma care


17 posted on 12/09/2011 7:32:10 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: ez
If I had my way I would outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay.

And who determines that
18 posted on 12/09/2011 7:32:10 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Hoodat

Yeah, apparently you think you are “way more smarter” than me too, and should tell me who Newt Ginrich is and what he thinks. No, thanks.


19 posted on 12/09/2011 7:34:22 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: GrandmaPatriot

I don’t care how many times you try to polish a turd, at the end of the day, its still a turd.

Newt’s history suggests he wants a some kind of Government run Healthcare program. No matter how they try to spin it, it’s still socialized medicine.

The best thing the Government should do is to reserve money and send to the states for the purposes of Healthcare and let the states decide how to spend it to meet their needs, within the laws of the Constitution (i.e. no Individual mandates, etc).


20 posted on 12/09/2011 7:34:24 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: uncbob

The free market...why is this so hard?


21 posted on 12/09/2011 7:35:06 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: floridarunner01
Insurance costs keep going up.

And yet they donated to Obama's campaign.

Something stinks.

22 posted on 12/09/2011 7:36:10 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Hoodat

There is absolutely nothing good in ObamaCare. Newt is an unprincipled gadfly.


23 posted on 12/09/2011 7:36:19 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: uncbob

Look I had an MRI the other day..I was in the office 30 minutes, and the bill was $1400. If the free market was allowed to work and the insurance company wasn’t controlling the cost structure, that procedure would probably be around $250.


24 posted on 12/09/2011 7:37:42 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Hoodat

And you want to replace it with hoodatcare. Me, I prefer solsoncare.


25 posted on 12/09/2011 7:46:29 PM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Hoodat

The bottom line is that none of these candidates are worthy of your vote.


26 posted on 12/09/2011 7:46:57 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: katiedidit1

Cost, Quality, Competition, Coverage. Hmm. Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!!! LOL!

This program is flawed from the get-go because like Obamacare and Romneycare, requires some type of centralized-government management. And anything government-managed that states it can produces upgrades in cost and quality is a joke. Government-management is synonymous with inefficiency.

Healthcare Management is not an inherent function of the Government. And because any Government Program usually starts out “inefficient”, the way most politicians try to fix that is by adding on additional amendments and provisions. Remember when you were griping about 9-9-9 becoming 12-12-12 or 20-20-20? Just like the liberals griped about No Child Left Behind, they would be griping about the inefficiencies of a Government-Run Healthcare System. Once ANY system was enacted, the desire to tack on would be there, ultimately resulting in an indivudal mandate or some other greater kind of government control.

The Federal Government needs to stay out of the business of Healthcare Management and let the private sector do it’s job.


27 posted on 12/09/2011 7:48:38 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: ez
Yeah, apparently you think you are “way more smarter” than me too, and should tell me who Newt Ginrich is and what he thinks.

If you pay close attention, you will recognize that it is Newt Gingrich in the video - not me. Listen for yourself. In Newt's own words: "Now there are about 300 pages that are pretty good, a little over 10 percent, but they should be part of the replace document"

28 posted on 12/09/2011 7:52:09 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: parksstp

Why don’t you just listen to Newt’s ideas instead of inventing what you think his ideas would be based on what you think you know about him? His ideas are well documented, and he discussed them in great detail in the Cain/Gingrich “debate”:

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Cain-Gingrich-Debate-Lincoln-Douglas-Style/10737425199/

Cain loved it!


29 posted on 12/09/2011 7:54:23 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: uncbob
And who determines that

Two things. Supply, and Demand.

30 posted on 12/09/2011 7:54:53 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: katiedidit1

Newts plan is common sense reforms. We know that costs are high because insurance creates inflation. Let the Market control costs by returning payment to individuals. State governments can help the poor with block grants.

These are too good of ideas to let slide.

Newt really is going to solve so many issues that the Libs.


31 posted on 12/09/2011 7:59:18 PM PST by garjog
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To: Hoodat

I’ll withhold that judgement until I know what the 300 pages contain.


32 posted on 12/09/2011 8:00:00 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: ez

“... force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay.”

Sort of like..”thanks for the new heart, Doc, here’s a beagle.” I suspect a lot of Doctors would retire or leave for another country.

Then what do you do when you just flat can’t get a Doctor? Maybe your beagle can save you.


33 posted on 12/09/2011 8:03:07 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Hoodat.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) called for an immediate repeal of President Obama's healthcare law but would reinstate "a little over 10 percent" of it... "The reason you have to repeal it is it's a 2,700-page document," Gingrich said. "You can't repeal part of it, because candidly you can't trust the staffs to tell you which part you ought to repeal."

34 posted on 12/09/2011 8:03:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Hoodat

OMG! NO Newt!


35 posted on 12/09/2011 8:05:01 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: ez
No, it’s called the free market.

You posted:

"force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay."

That is not the "free market". "Forcing" anyone to accept "what people could afford to pay" is Socialism if not Fascism.

If you can't afford to pay what I charge for my goods or services, you don't get them. I can't be "forced" to accept what you can afford, that would be involuntary servitude.

36 posted on 12/09/2011 8:07:12 PM PST by Prokopton (.)
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To: ez

“Yeah, apparently you think you are “way more smarter” than me too, and should tell me who Newt Ginrich is and what he thinks.”

That’s one of the best responses I’ve seen on FR in 10 years!


37 posted on 12/09/2011 8:11:40 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: ez

Actually, there is a portion of the Obamacare bill that would become a pro-market reform (not of health care, but of health insurance) once it is shorn of the individual mandate and of the powers given the Secretary of HHS to micromange every detail of what a “qualifying plan” would be: the establishment of health insurance exchanges by each of the several states. I suspect that and the popular “slacker provision” that lets under 26ers stay on their parents plan would be about all that would survive.

The problem with a strict free-market reform of health care is that health care is, for reasons of quality control, actually provided by a government granted monopoly-guild: the physicians. Only licensed physicians can practice medicine — as it should be for reasons of quality control, but this means that prices for medical services, for which demand is quite inelastic, include a large share of monopoly rents. (Of course physicians suffer the predations of another state-created guild: the bar! Tort reform would go a good way toward containing medical costs.)

Most medical innovations are also sold by actual corporate monopolies, as they are patented. And, however much some FReepers may have bought into the delusion that a patent represents “property rights”, a patent is a state grant of a monopoly, period. (I regard the first modern patent law, the Statue of Monopolies of 1624 to have been the last good patent law, the plainly the one the Founders had in mind along with the Law of Queen Anne in granting Congress the power to grant copyrights and patents.)

I would be curious how you propose to create a free market in health care. Shall we abolish patents on medical advances? Let amateur physicians put out shingles? (Actually, I understand that in Iceland anyone can practice medicine so long as they market themselves as a “quack”, rather than a physician, or at least it used to be so.) Give tax breaks to anyone who will open a new med school? (Oh, wait, that’s government intervention, too. . .)


38 posted on 12/09/2011 8:14:21 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Grizzled Bear
"Insurance costs keep going up...And yet they donated to Obama's campaign."

No big surprise there. If you sell a product and a POTUS enacted a law making forcing every American to buy your product, you'd probably be pretty happy with him as well (at least in the short run).

Ultimately this will put every health care carrier out of business when the government forces them to cover more and more services, but then caps what they can charge. The government will start out being the carrier of last resort, but ultimately end up as the only source of health care coverage...and everybody will be mandated to have it.

39 posted on 12/09/2011 8:17:24 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Prokopton
If you can't afford to pay what I charge for my goods or services, you don't get them. I can't be "forced" to accept what you can afford, that would be involuntary servitude.

I agree with that. You are still misreading my post. The free market sets what people can afford to pay. If there was no insurance they would be forced to accept market rates instead of inflated insurance driven prices.

40 posted on 12/09/2011 8:26:02 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: ez; VicVega

The path to rational medical costs lies through tort reform.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 8:27:41 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Rembrandt

:)


42 posted on 12/09/2011 8:28:01 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Brilliant

“The bottom line is that none of these candidates are worthy of your vote.”

I am trying to think of something to say to refute you...

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43 posted on 12/09/2011 8:33:22 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: The_Reader_David

I am not as educated as you on this subject, so I won’t pretend to know more than I do. All I know is that, for example, in auto repair, I can go to any garage I choose, so the repair shops must compete for my business by keeping their prices competitive. If healthcare worked the same way, the prices for services would stay lower based on what people could afford to pay, and the whole industry would run at a lower cost structure, making it unattractive to government crooks looking to fill their coffers and shyster lawyers looking to dip into pockets of money. It’s a pipe dream, I know...


44 posted on 12/09/2011 8:37:31 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: ez

Knew what your meaning was. No disrespect to you. Just a bit of history on my part. As a Dr., my Ggf was given what people could afford. Many times it was food and such. This is back in the day when doctors would make house calls.


45 posted on 12/09/2011 8:38:37 PM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: VicVega

Oops. Thanks for the info, then. I guess they certainly had an open market back then!!


46 posted on 12/09/2011 8:42:32 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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"Look I had an MRI the other day..I was in the office 30 minutes, and the bill was $1400. If the free market was allowed to work and the insurance company wasn’t controlling the cost structure, that procedure would probably be around $250."

How does it benefit the insurance company for the cost to be $1400. Do you have insurance? If so do you actually look at EOB's when issued? The insurance company probably only paid $250 dollars. To a large extent the $1400 dollars is caused by the government intrusion into the industry.

47 posted on 12/09/2011 8:43:24 PM PST by WHBates
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To: ez

Have you read the actual law? If not, then nobody knows what they are talking about. There are some good things..like...CUTTING WASTE AND FRAUD. Like preventative medicine. I’m sure in those thousands of pages, there are some good ideas..I am sure Gingrich has read it. That doesn’t mean he wants the whole thing. It means he is honest and not knee jerk.


48 posted on 12/09/2011 8:44:35 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: ez

Have you read the actual law? If not, then nobody knows what they are talking about. There are some good things..like...CUTTING WASTE AND FRAUD. Like preventative medicine. I’m sure in those thousands of pages, there are some good ideas..I am sure Gingrich has read it. That doesn’t mean he wants the whole thing. It means he is honest and not knee jerk.


49 posted on 12/09/2011 8:44:53 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: floridarunner01

So basically you’re saying “free market solutions” are nothing? How about showing people it’s better for them to be in control of their own health. As long as we treat adults like children they’ll act like that. And what kind of “reforms” are people in favor of? What do polls say the government should do for (or to) us? Why do people always assume that when polls show people want “XYZ” to change, they mean they want the government to do the changing for them.

Cindie


50 posted on 12/09/2011 8:53:38 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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