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Durban climate change conference: Big three of US, China and India agree to cut carbon emissions
Telegraph UK ^ | 12/11/11 | Louise Gray

Posted on 12/11/2011 10:26:57 AM PST by Nachum

Durban - A new deal to "save the planet" will force the world's three biggest emitters the US, China and India to cut carbon emissions for the first time, although scientists fear it will come too late to stop global warming. More than 190 countries managed to finally agree a new climate change deal amid chaotic scenes in the early hours of Sunday morning in Durban, South Africa. (Snip) In the end the wording was decided in an extraordinary 10 minute 'huddle' between the exhausted ministers to decide the fate of future generations.

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1 posted on 12/11/2011 10:26:58 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 12/11/2011 10:27:55 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
...although scientists fear it will come too late to stop global warming.

You have to hand it to the mongering bass turds, they are relentless.

3 posted on 12/11/2011 10:31:10 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Nachum

what kinda crap is this?

China will continue to bring 2 HIGH SULFER COAL power plants on line each month, while pretending to “cut emissions”???

While Obama KILLS our energy industry at EVERY turn?????


4 posted on 12/11/2011 10:34:47 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Nachum

what kinda crap is this?

China will continue to bring 2 HIGH SULFER COAL power plants on line each month, while pretending to “cut emissions”???

While Obama KILLS our energy industry at EVERY turn?????


5 posted on 12/11/2011 10:34:58 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: EGPWS

In the end the wording was decided in an extraordinary 10 minute ‘huddle’ between the exhausted ministers to decide the fate of future generations.

It’s good to know they spent some time on it. /s


6 posted on 12/11/2011 10:35:26 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Nachum
More destruction of the West. The World would have been a better place had Durban disappeared in an asteroid impact like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs.
7 posted on 12/11/2011 10:36:42 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Nachum

It’s nice that other countries can decide how we live.

So called “gang rape” victims need to stop complaining and accept the fact that they were outvoted.


8 posted on 12/11/2011 10:41:23 AM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: steelyourfaith

AGW ping?


9 posted on 12/11/2011 10:50:43 AM PST by Amagi (You can't discuss Camelot without mentioning Squire Ted & the Lady in the Lake.)
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To: tet68
"In the end the wording was decided in an extraordinary 10 minute ‘huddle’ between the exhausted ministers to decide the fate of future generations."

It’s good to know they spent some time on it. /s


AND it was the hardest they had ever worked during those 10 minutes (a la Clinton).
10 posted on 12/11/2011 11:01:03 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Nachum

I’ve been trying for several years now to figure out just WHEN Carbon-Dioxide became our dire enemy. Trees inhale Carbon and breathe out fresh, lovely Oxygen for us to breathe. Remove Co2 from our atmosphere, and we will have much less Oxygen.

Can someone explain to me just what I am missing here?

Is it possible that the stupids in the world think they’re talking about Carbon-MON-oxide, which most certainly poisonous to us? Or am I the one who has it wrong?

Not looking for a big debate, just a little clarification.


11 posted on 12/11/2011 11:17:01 AM PST by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! ! ..)
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To: Nachum

“I have not yet begun to fight!” – John Paul Jones

I pitty the Senator that votes for this treaty, and the President that signs it.


12 posted on 12/11/2011 11:18:04 AM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: tet68

They only had 10 minutes to spare. The lobsters, crab legs and prime rib at the buffet disappear fast so they all had to rush on over.


13 posted on 12/11/2011 11:20:14 AM PST by JPG (Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.)
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To: Nachum
and America takes another one in the........


14 posted on 12/11/2011 11:20:49 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

anyone who still believes in Globull Warming is a thief and a murderer.


15 posted on 12/11/2011 11:27:37 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; AdmSmith; ...

Thanks Nachum.
More than 190 countries managed to finally agree a new climate change deal... the wording was decided in an extraordinary 10 minute 'huddle' between the exhausted ministers to decide the fate of future generations.

16 posted on 12/11/2011 11:37:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Nachum

I thought “the big three of the US...” was GM, Chrysler, and Ford. Glad it was just talking about the three countries. Hopefully this is just circle-jerking by left wingers and nothing will come out of it


17 posted on 12/11/2011 11:39:08 AM PST by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: Nachum

Remember this is a treaty, which means that our Senate would have to vote to ratify. Bring it up for a vote in 2012 so that all Dem. senators up for reelection in 2012 will have to vote on it.

My guess is that it will never happen (recall that the Kyoto was defeated 95-0 back before This Globull Warming stuff was completely discredited.)


18 posted on 12/11/2011 12:25:20 PM PST by almcbean
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To: Nachum
"The 'Durban Platform' will commit all countries to a global deal on cutting carbon emissions by 2015 although it will not come into force until 2020"

a big LOL, Louise Gray (author of this tripe) is one of the more delusional and despicable lefties in the throes of "climate change" journal-hackery. She is noted for the practice of "churnalism" or merely recyling the press releases and fervid ramblings of enviro-whackos.

In this case she is uncritically peddling the official line that the "Durban Platform" is some real achievement for the greenies rather than a pathetic, desperate sop to the crowd. The could not (fortunately) achieve the kind of binding agreement they want, so they simply issue a declaration to keep talking.

Yes, it is tragic that we can't simply drive a stake through the heart of vampire-CAGWists. BUT Copenhagen and Durban have been a great failure for the CAGWists. The Kyoto 'process' is sputtering to its ineffectual conclusion with no serious deal in sight to involve the 3 key players outside of Europe: USA, China, and India.

Durban does provide some limited life support to greenie propagandists but no real promise of anything. Certainly China-India-USA are not going to sign onto any Son-of-Kyoto that requires them to do anything.
19 posted on 12/11/2011 12:39:42 PM PST by Enchante
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To: SunkenCiv

Fortunately it is not a “climate change deal” at all — it is merely vacuous posturing to save the CAGW dream awhile longer.

Would be best to put an end to this b.s. once and for all, but no govt wants to stand up and say the CAGW emperor has no clothes.

Yet, USA, China, and India (not to mention Russia and a number of other countries) are not going to be so foolish as to agree to a real binding agreement. This “Durban Platform” is just hot air for the greenie masses.


20 posted on 12/11/2011 12:43:11 PM PST by Enchante
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To: almcbean

It’s not yet any (proposed) treaty at all, it’s merely a joint declaration to continue working toward a post-Kyoto treaty.

Considering that USA-China-India have never been foolish enough to accept Kyoto-style reductions in emissions, and that there’s no reason to expect them to agree in coming years, this is all mere posturing for the fanatical greens to pretend the dream is still alive.

Granted they still have far far too much influence and propaganda around, but their dream of a post-Kyoto treaty has collapsed along with the CAGW scam.


21 posted on 12/11/2011 12:46:50 PM PST by Enchante
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To: Nachum; All

This is total BS. Yesterday AP wrote:

“A U.N. climate conference reached a hard-fought agreement Sunday on a far-reaching program meant to set a new course for the global fight against climate change.

The 194-party conference agreed to start negotiations on a new accord that would ensure that countries will be legally bound to carry out any pledges they make. It would take effect by 2020 at the latest.

The deal doesn’t explicitly compel any nation to take on emissions targets, although most emerging economies have volunteered to curb the growth of their emissions.”

In other words, a hard-fought, far-reaching accord to start negotiations on something to take effect in 2020 and won’t compel emissions targets! Only cost tens of millions of dollars for these useless eaters to meet in the fun and sun to arrive at this momentous “agreement”! AND they can keep on meeting until at least 2020!

Utter and total failure. Absolutely laughable that the media is reporting this as a success. Just chalk that up to another addition to their syntheti alternate reality.


22 posted on 12/11/2011 1:32:03 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

Yes, I agree with your take. Also, I just read this blog post which provides quite an interesting description of how the ‘BASIC’ nations thwarted the CAGW fanatics:

“The BASIC Truth About Durban”
Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:05 Philip Stott

The basic truth about Durban, the latest and 17th Feydeau farce passing as serious UN climate talks, is simple: the BASIC countries - Brazil, South Africa, India, and China - played a blinder.

They outwitted comprehensively the ever-zealous, naive, and hypocritical EU to ensure that they achieved their fundamental goals, which were to delay any agreement on a replacement for the failing Kyoto Protocol until at least 2015, and any actual action to cut emissions until at least 2020. And, of course, by then, the plate tectonics of world politics may have altered even more radically, so that further delays will be eminently possible, or the global warming narrative - we can only hope - will have withered away permanently into perennial greenhouse history....

http://thegwpf.org/opinion-pros-a-cons/4532-philip-stott-the-basic-truth-about-durban.html


23 posted on 12/11/2011 1:35:02 PM PST by Enchante
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To: Nachum
In the end the wording was decided in an extraordinary 10 minute 'huddle' between the exhausted ministers to decide the fate of future generations.

Oh please.

24 posted on 12/11/2011 1:37:06 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: EggsAckley

Sadly, the modern obsession with CO2 started when Margaret Thatcher wanted to break a coal strike in the early 19080s. An old idea that CO2 raised atmospheric temps was dusted off and put into motion by the BBC. There’s nothing to the theory, of course, but the damage is done now.

Oh what a tangled web we weave...


25 posted on 12/11/2011 2:26:31 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (I have a job; therefore I am in the 1%.)
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To: Nachum
So, there's a treaty in which everyone pledges to sign another treaty in four years with actual goals that wouldn't take effect for yet another five. And this is worth touting?

Probably just the indication we need that the global warming movement is collapsing.

26 posted on 12/11/2011 2:42:36 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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Thanx for the ping Amagi & SunkenCiv !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 12/11/2011 3:21:53 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Enchante

It’s an alibi for the vanishing of thousands of more jobs — into Africa and rural Asia.


28 posted on 12/11/2011 3:34:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Nachum

did China and India agree to cut emissions or, like that other time, get exempted??


29 posted on 12/11/2011 3:57:23 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: EggsAckley

Shhhh, don`t tell the gaia tree hugging marxists farmers LOVE these things:

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http://www.johnsongas.com/industrial/CO2Gen.asp

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30 posted on 12/11/2011 4:30:44 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 (+)
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To: Enchante

China wants developed countries to continue the charade as China is the primary supplier of wind turbines and solar panels as well as providing the rare earth minerals. China is no fool. The idiot and zealot is in the White House.


31 posted on 12/11/2011 8:53:04 PM PST by businessprofessor
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32 posted on 12/11/2011 10:00:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: EggsAckley

That is a good point. The uninformed/uneducated/mentally slow/abnormally low IQ/average democrat would indeed make that mistake.


33 posted on 12/12/2011 3:12:56 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: EggsAckley
I've been trying for several years now to figure out just WHEN Carbon-Dioxide became our dire enemy. Trees inhale Carbon and breathe out fresh, lovely Oxygen for us to breathe. Remove Co2 from our atmosphere, and we will have much less Oxygen.

The problem with that logic is that to create the CO2 by burning fossil carbon we are using up oxygen. Either way, whether we create more CO2 or we don't, we will have plenty of oxygen.

34 posted on 12/12/2011 3:53:39 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Nachum

Just as the Kyoto Protocol was not approved by the U.S. Senate, so this will not be approved.

And anyone who thinks China and India are going to abide by this new agreement are really living in a fantasy world.


35 posted on 12/12/2011 4:26:48 AM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Rocky

I’ve had it with these moronic, unelected, international climate thieves. Just who the hell so they think they are? I’m burning three old truck tires now in celebration of their stupidity. Black soot offered up to their beloved Gia. I spit on them.


36 posted on 12/12/2011 4:38:16 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Rocky

I’ve had it with these moronic, unelected, international climate thieves. Just who the hell so they think they are? I’m burning three old truck tires now in celebration of their stupidity. Black soot offered up to their beloved Gia. I spit on them.


37 posted on 12/12/2011 4:41:30 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: EggsAckley
“I’ve been trying for several years now to figure out just WHEN Carbon-Dioxide became our dire enemy. Trees inhale Carbon and breathe out fresh, lovely Oxygen for us to breathe. Remove Co2 from our atmosphere, and we will have much less Oxygen.”

We have been emitting over the last century larger amounts of CO2 and also been carrying out large scale deforestation. So the percentage of CO2 has gone up. Even tiny variations can have catastrophic impacts.

38 posted on 12/12/2011 7:06:37 AM PST by ravager
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To: Rocky; GeronL

At the Durban climate exchange US-China-India have only agreed to a voluntary carbon emission reduction target as opposed to a binding target. Which means US-China-India will set their own targets and they will be monitored and held accountable to achieve that target. Only Europe has agreed to a binding carbon emission target.


39 posted on 12/12/2011 7:51:08 AM PST by ravager
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