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Newt Is the Problem
NRO ^ | 121111 | Avik Roy

Posted on 12/12/2011 4:03:09 PM PST by Fred

Newt Gingrich’s rise to the top of the GOP polls is fueled, in part, by Republicans’ mistrust of Mitt Romney. Romney’s signature Massachusetts health-care law, the model for Obamacare, leads many to wonder whether Romney can challenge the president on this most important domestic issue. But any conservative who opposes Romney because of Romneycare should oppose Gingrich with thrice the intensity: Newt Gingrich is one of the principal abettors of the exploding health-care entitlement state we face today. Indeed, it’s not clear what would be worse for the cause of entitlement reform: Newt’s losing to Obama or Newt’s beating him.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: effnro; gingrich; mandates; newt; newtcare; obamacare; romenycare; romneycare
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To: Mr. K
Newt was also an early proponent of ocial Sevcurity reform that would make it “wither on the vine”

That was Government Healthcare, or Medicare that would wither on the vine as seniors moved VOLUNTARILY to private medical savings acoounts that they would control instead of a bureaucrat, maintaining the doctor/patient relationship, but the media deviously took his comment out of context to make it appear he wanted the "seniors themselves" to wither on the vine. Just like they took his "I will be the nominee" quote out of context last week. They are deceitful, but many buy it, including many FReepers.

51 posted on 12/12/2011 4:38:47 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: big'ol_freeper

I am glad that you said that.

I have seriously come around on the Romney matter.

As Governor in Massachusetts he was preferable to any of the alternatives, but President of the USA?

I really do not think that is a good idea. Not at all.


52 posted on 12/12/2011 4:39:41 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Hawthorn

No, it doesn’t mean any such thing. It means that he is human and flawed...as are we all.


53 posted on 12/12/2011 4:39:56 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: KansasGirl

***Newt is just unlikeable, imo. We run Newt as our candidate, I’d expect Obama to get 60% of the women’s vote.***

All the women in my family are voting for Newt as President - not for a father, husband, brother or son.

So you see Newt as an old, white, short fat little guy - funny - because his appearance never comes up in our conversations. We discuss his successes as Speaker, his grasp of American history and its importance to the human race. We appreciate his knowledge of the Government and its Constitutional limits.

We admire his courage to step back into the arena after years in the political wilderness and we especially notice that he has no political favors outstanding or his Congressional colleagues would be falling in line to support him.

Judge a man, not by his friends; but by his enemies.

One woman to another.


54 posted on 12/12/2011 4:40:31 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: Mr. K
Newt was also an early proponent of ocial Sevcurity reform that would make it “wither on the vine”

That was Government Healthcare, or Medicare that would wither on the vine as seniors moved VOLUNTARILY to private medical savings acoounts that they would control instead of a bureaucrat, maintaining the doctor/patient relationship, but the media deviously took his comment out of context to make it appear he wanted the "seniors themselves" to wither on the vine. Just like they took his "I will be the nominee" quote out of context last week. They are deceitful, but many buy it, including many FReepers.

55 posted on 12/12/2011 4:40:56 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: SumProVita

People said the same thing about McCain back in 2008, and look who is sitting in the White House right now because of it...


56 posted on 12/12/2011 4:47:09 PM PST by JohnBrownUSA (Don't Tread On America!)
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To: Fred

The (National Review) Empire Strikes back. Sorry guys. You lose.


57 posted on 12/12/2011 4:48:16 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Fred

Is there anything that really distinguishes NRO from Newsweek or Time anymore? They might as well be called National Romney.


58 posted on 12/12/2011 4:49:44 PM PST by vmivol00
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To: struggle

NRO ... does that stand for “New Republic Online?”


59 posted on 12/12/2011 4:50:04 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Radix

Wow, that’s right we had a few verbal altercations back in 2008 over Romney. I’d have not remembered that if you hadn’t said you’d come around.

Defeat Obama.

High five.


60 posted on 12/12/2011 4:50:54 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

“Newt Gingrich = John McCain #2”

Utter Bullshit.

Newt may be a flawed conservative, but he is no RINO like McCain nor Romney.


61 posted on 12/12/2011 4:52:12 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Kansas58

Newt has also pledged to repeal Obamacare.


62 posted on 12/12/2011 4:53:15 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: KansasGirl

We’ve had that problem since women were given the right to vote!

Same problem every four years!


63 posted on 12/12/2011 4:53:15 PM PST by Randy Larsen (I'm backing Newt!)
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To: Fred

Newt is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen and people can see that. The american public just dont like him. He will blow up in everyones face.

I can hear the many “told ya so” already.


64 posted on 12/12/2011 4:53:38 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: KansasGirl

>> We run Newt as our candidate <<

Don’t worry. Won’t happen. Even if he wins several primaries and/or caucuses during January, the air is bound to seep totally out of Newt’s balloon during the February “lull” — when there are no primaries or caucuses.

In fact, Newt’s anti-capitalistic remarks earlier today may already have blown a significant hole in the Gingrich balloon. So if the folks in New Hampshire hear a hissing sound tonight, it probably is hot air that even now is escaping!


65 posted on 12/12/2011 4:54:31 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: CJ Wolf

You ankle biting lightweights can claim Gingrich is not a conservative to the hounds come home.

You’re still living on Planet Pluto...might as well be a Paultard.


66 posted on 12/12/2011 4:54:47 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: KansasGirl
Newt is just unlikeable, imo. We run Newt as our candidate, I’d expect Obama to get 60% of the women’s vote.

Obama received around 56% of the female vote in 2008. As flawed as Gingrich may be, I don't see him repelling more women than McCain.

67 posted on 12/12/2011 4:54:58 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: struggle
For those who haven't noticed yet, NRO is not Buckley's National Review. The web spinoff of NR is a sanctuary for rinos and liberal weenies. Indistinguishable from New Republic. Not worth the time, if it ever was.
68 posted on 12/12/2011 4:56:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Fred

Someone please tell me the alternative to Gingrich. Please. If he is not our best hope just tell me who is.

I want something better too! Tell me what it is.

I would vote for Palin in a second if she got in. Bachmann self-destructed. Cain acted like a mere mortal. Santorum is not getting traction. Perry acts like he doesn’t know where he is half the time (the other half is pretty good).

We need to win.

For a long time I said I’d rather ‘no’ vote than vote for someone who wasn’t a real conservative. I figured 4 more years of the loser we have now would lead to such civil unrest that things could get set right that way. I still feel that way quite a bit. I seriously doubt that voting can solve the mess we are in.

At the end of the day for me the deal is this - The TEA Party is leaderless but we have some pretty good advisers. Mr. Robinson is one of those. If we’re going to sh!t-out anyways, I’ll follow the advice of a true conservative hero and into the breach I go.

If Newt isn’t the best we’ve got just tell me who is. I’m willing to go down fighting but we might as well try and kick the marxist traitor we have now in the teeth on the way to the ring.


69 posted on 12/12/2011 4:57:02 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Hawthorn

Been looking for a seer of the future like you all my life! How about this Saturday’s Lotto numbers?


70 posted on 12/12/2011 4:57:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Fred

NRO = MittPimps


71 posted on 12/12/2011 4:59:10 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Kazan
LIke I said, NRO is read only by liberal shithooks. This abject stupidity is characteristic of them and their readers.
72 posted on 12/12/2011 4:59:47 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: JohnBrownUSA

I don’t care what was said about McCain. Speaker Gingrich and John McCain are VERY different.

YES, I realize (VERY well as a mater of fact) that Gingrich has flaws... but he is STILL a lot better than either McCain or Romney.


73 posted on 12/12/2011 5:00:54 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: rbmillerjr
Newt may be a flawed conservative, but he is no RINO like McCain nor Romney.

I can't help but be reminded of William F. Buckley, back (I think) in the eighties, making an impassioned plea in the pages of National Review for government-mandated "volunteerism" for all eighteen-year-olds. I didn't think any less of him on account of it, but it certainly didn't do credit to his conservative credentials.

74 posted on 12/12/2011 5:02:16 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Articulate, intelligent people feel threatening to the TV educated voters, making them feel inadequate.

We have an epidemic of that around here.

75 posted on 12/12/2011 5:02:38 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Charles Martel
From the mouth of babies, is the saying, “if he repels no more than McCain”, obummer wins. Was that not what happened before with those numbers.
76 posted on 12/12/2011 5:05:03 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I have a lot of respect for the talent of the folks over at NRO.

I have to admit though that I did let my subscription finally expire a couple of months ago after more than a 10 year relationship.

I do not think that is entirely fair or reasonable to insult people for reading it.

Personally, I simply was unable to keep up with everything that I try to read.

Too many notes so I just took a few out.


77 posted on 12/12/2011 5:05:49 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Hawthorn

Haven’t you heard? There isn’t supposed to be any “lull” this February due to the “new rules.” The pundits are now saying that February will be “explosive” on the campaign trail.

And just which “anti-Capitalistic remarks were made by Gingrich today?


78 posted on 12/12/2011 5:06:34 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: KansasGirl
More proof that the XIX Amendment f*ed up the country big time.
79 posted on 12/12/2011 5:07:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

I was a Gingrich supporter until the Des Moines debate on Saturday. Gingrich came across as a mean-spirited, condescending sourpuss with an instinct to go for the low blow. When Romney argued that he has spent most of his life in the private sector and knows how jobs and wealth are created Gingrich churlishly retorted that the reason he was in the private sector was because he had lost an election to Ted Kennedy. Otherwise, he’d be a career politician and not in the private sector. The irony here is that Gingrich would still be in politics too if he hadn’t been forced to resign over charges of ethical violations. Even his own party wanted him out. At least Romney’s exit from politics came as a result of a loss to Ted Kennedy, not because of questions about his ethics.

In the same debate Gingrich called Michelle Bachmann a liar when she charged that he had supported the individual mandate in the early 1990s and more recently. He also floundered trying to explain his absolutely ridiculous proposal to establish “citizen review panels” to decide which illegal aliens get to stay and which have to go.

Twelve million illegals are going to come forward, identify themselves as illegal, pay a fine, and provide documentation showing they’ve been living here for twenty-five years and have joined a church? And who, pray tell, is going to staff Gingrich’s review panels? I can imagine the monstrous bureaucracy that will have to be created to manage this nutty program.

This guy is an ass. He’s no conservative. He has no sense of humor or humility. His ego is so inflated it makes Obama’s look modest in comparison. He is an unpleasant, self-important political hack who can’t be trusted. He’s Barney Frank without the lisp. His day has come and gone. We nominate him at our peril.


80 posted on 12/12/2011 5:08:00 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: FastCoyote
Who cares what NRO says about Gingrich?

So what if Gingrich will guarantee Obama reelection?

So what if Gingrich has many wives and tawdry affairs?

He's not Mormon!

81 posted on 12/12/2011 5:08:07 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Newt has man things about him that I would prefer he not have but obviously unelectable? You have got to be kidding, what koolaid are you talking about?

Who is electable in your opinion? Can't wait to hear it.

82 posted on 12/12/2011 5:10:11 PM PST by WHBates
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To: rbmillerjr
Good riddance to bad static.
83 posted on 12/12/2011 5:10:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
Newt Gingrich = John McCain #2
Granted that Newt may be talking beyond his powers, he is talking a good fight. When did McCain ever even do that?

84 posted on 12/12/2011 5:11:55 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Kansas58

And then there’s Gingrich’s turbulent four-year tenure as speaker of the House, in which he was as responsible as anyone for the growth of federal health-care entitlements to their current unsustainable levels.

In 1997, the Gingrich-led House of Representatives passed legislation creating the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, or S-CHIP, which was then the largest statutory expansion of Medicaid since the program was founded in 1965. Today, thanks to Newt Gingrich, nearly 4 in 10 children in the United States are on Medicaid. Many of those kids were forced off of higher-quality private-sector health coverage and forced into the Medicaid ghetto, where poor children die of toothaches due to inadequate care.

Another dubious part of the 1997 Gingrich-Clinton budget deal was the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate, in which the Gingrich-led House passed what has become one of Washington’s favorite accounting gimmicks: pretending to drastically cut Medicare payments to doctors and hospitals in the future, so as to make the long-term budget outlook appear better than it is, while in reality passing “doc fix” legislation each year that keeps Medicare payments on their prior trajectory. The “doc fix” that Congress is contemplating for 2012 will cost $22 billion, a figure that goes up over time as the gap widens between what the 1997 law prescribed and what Medicare costs today.


85 posted on 12/12/2011 5:13:16 PM PST by kabar
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To: Kansas58
Actually, Newt was an early supporter of Medicare Advantage plans, a free market alternative to traditional Medicare.

I do not know the advantages or disadvantages of the Medicare Advantage Programs.

I am on Medicare, I thought that the Advantage Programs were going to get the axe under the new "obama health care".

86 posted on 12/12/2011 5:14:11 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: WestSylvanian
All you said is true, but a lot of people have blue on their lips from the kool-aid.
87 posted on 12/12/2011 5:14:17 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: Hawthorn

Anybody who thinks Steyn is a socialist RINO hasn’t read his latest book which is an absolutely devastating condemnation of the big-government nanny state robbing us of our liberties that has arisen under both Republicans and Democrats. It will scare the heck out of you. Steyn describes the bleak future awaiting America if we don’t reverse things. He’s calling it Armageddon. If Steyn is against Gingrich that is good enough for me.


88 posted on 12/12/2011 5:14:38 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: org.whodat
So do you propose that the site become the newt idol shrine. Go for it!!

Well, I propose you stop smearing your feces on the walls of FR like some psychotic child. If you find it so distasteful here, you can leave.

I guarantee no one is going to try to stop you.

89 posted on 12/12/2011 5:16:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Seriously. That’s how the inarticulate Bush Bros. got elected POTUS, that’s how appearing and advertised as articulate Obama had to select a doofus as VP, to ease the blow to the delicate egos of the insecure voters, that’s how Reagan himself appeared folksy and simple, whether naturally or by design, where there was much more to him than the media would let on.

And that’s where the danger lies with Gingrich’s candidacy. Maybe selecting Perry as VP would help.


90 posted on 12/12/2011 5:16:42 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Kansas58

This sounds nice in theory, but as a matter of policy, it’s wrong. Medicare Advantage has 25 percent of the market in part because, prior to Obamacare, the government paid 14 percent more for a senior in Medicare Advantage than for one in traditional Medicare. (Obamacare significantly trimmed this subsidy.) Medicare Advantage has many qualities, but it has not reduced Medicare spending at all.


91 posted on 12/12/2011 5:17:07 PM PST by kabar
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To: Revolting cat!
Newt is the most intelligent, most articulate, knowledgeable candidate with deep understanding of American history.

Sounds like a fantastic resume for a college professor.

92 posted on 12/12/2011 5:20:02 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: ez
Actually Newt was talking about the monster bureaucracy that has growen up around Medicare. He always left Medicare as an option, knowing that many were not up to making a major change in their declining years. It was the media who twisted it into a threat to throw grannies out of nursing homes and into the streets. (Yes, they already ran that smear all the way back when.)
93 posted on 12/12/2011 5:20:49 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Have a reading problem I see. As well as a childish foul mouth.


94 posted on 12/12/2011 5:21:09 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Who is the “idiot”?

I want Obama out of the White House. Sorry but, Newt doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell.

Right now I’m anybody but a looser, like McCain.


95 posted on 12/12/2011 5:21:33 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland
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To: Menehune56

Callista is a programmed, helmut-haired robot. In appearances with Gingrich she acts like she’s terrified to open her mouth for fear she’ll say something that he’ll disapprove of. I saw them together on C-Span at a campaign event walking through a fairground. She started off in one direction, he in another. He chided her like she was an idiot that he had to watch every minute. Remember, folks, this is his third wife. She was an aid when he was in Congress. They were having an affair while he was married. Now, conveniently, he’s a devout Catholic and has put all that behind him. Give me a break. I will not vote for him. I don’t care how sharp his knife is in a debate.


96 posted on 12/12/2011 5:22:41 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
Gingrich is the worst of the GOP candidates. Very flawed character-wise and personality-wise. He is obviously unelectable.

Sarah Palin, had she run, would have been the true Tea Party candidate. Many who are now supporting Newt would have supported Palin. But Palin's political agenda is miles apart from Newt.

Newt is the consummate D.C. insider. He's been associated with D.C. for 25 years. Since he left Congress, he has sought to enrich and ingratiate himself with people on both sides the aisle - whomever would pay him the most.

Palin loved the Paul Ryan budget plan. Newt called it right wing extremism.

Palin criticizes corporate cronyism. Gingrich partakes in it.

97 posted on 12/12/2011 5:23:19 PM PST by randita (I'm not a percentage. I'm a free person.)
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To: KansasGirl

I don’t know what to do! All I know is that I’m not voting Newt.

I wish Sarah would have run. I don’t like Romney, I don’t like or trust Newt, I like Santorum and Bachmann, but they aren’t polling well.

Oy...


98 posted on 12/12/2011 5:27:19 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland
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To: rbmillerjr
Newt may be a flawed conservative, but he is no RINO like McCain nor Romney.

I agree, but "flawed" conservative is an important point, too. Conservatives supporting Newt have bought a pig in a poke.

99 posted on 12/12/2011 5:27:34 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Radix
Fine, but I have to prioritize my reading and NRO is not on my radar at all. If I were to spend time there I would miss something materially more useful somewhere else.

But like they say, your mileage may differ.

100 posted on 12/12/2011 5:27:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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