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Colorado State University Hurricane predictors admit they canít predict hurricanes
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Dec 12, 2011 | Tom Spears

Posted on 12/13/2011 11:46:43 AM PST by veritas3

Two top U.S. hurricane forecasters, revered like rock stars in Deep South hurricane country, are quitting the practice because it doesn’t work.

William Gray and Phil Klotzbach say a look back shows their past 20 years of forecasts had no value.

The two scientists from Colorado State University will still discuss different probabilities as hurricane seasons approach — a much more cautious approach. But the shift signals how far humans are, even with supercomputers, from truly knowing what our weather will do next.

Gray, recently joined by Klotzbach, has been known for decades for an annual forecast of how many hurricanes can be expected each official hurricane season (which runs from June to November.) Southerners hang on his words, as even a mid-sized hurricane can cause billions in damage.

Last week, the pair dropped this announcement out of a clear, blue sky:

“We are discontinuing our early December quantitative hurricane forecast for the next year ... Our early December Atlantic basin seasonal hurricane forecasts of the last 20 years have not shown real-time forecast skill even though the hindcast studies on which they were based had considerable skill.”


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: hurricane; predictor
Good pickup in Canada of this Dec 7, 2011 release; not seen in the US New sources yet. Well hidden in their Colorado State release. If you go to the site of release http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Forecasts/ and read over 100 pages of their 2 PDF files; you finally find the disclosure that their past 20 years "have not shown real-time forecast skill".

Dr Gray admits they can't predict hurricanes and he never has stated that hurricanes are related "global warming".

Glad that Gray admits what we have known all along, that no one can predict hurricanes months in advance.

The question then is: how can anyone predict global warming 50 years in advance.

Good to see Canada to pull out of Kyoto Protocol next month, announced yesterday. "Canada goes to Durban with a number of countries sharing the same objective, and that is to put Kyoto behind us." Go CANADA

1 posted on 12/13/2011 11:46:48 AM PST by veritas3
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To: veritas3

Perhaps they can get jobs at the UN predicting Global Warming!


2 posted on 12/13/2011 11:52:45 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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The two scientists from Colorado State University ...
And just how many millions in grant money (i.e. taxpayers' hard earned money) did they receive to continue this hoax for 20 years?
I'll bet they knew it was a bust at least 15 years ago.
3 posted on 12/13/2011 12:09:34 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: JaguarXKE

Dr. Gray is a good dude....a staunch ally against the silly AGW movement.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 12:13:22 PM PST by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than politicians, professors and preachers.)
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To: veritas3

Things that make you go: “Hmmmm...”

Since this revelation, makes you wonder how many OTHER things are not predictable that so many people in positions of power that rely upon those predictions... fiscal much?


5 posted on 12/13/2011 12:14:30 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: JaguarXKE

Actually Dr. Gray came out against global warming years ago (before any other serious climatologist) and said it was a bunch of hooey. Dr. Gray is a real scientist and did what good scientist do, they evaluate their own data / theories and tell the truth. I commend him for his science and his rigor. BTW, his studies on hurricanes were more accurate than anybody else’s, he found the correlation between rain in West Africa and tropical storms in the western-Atlantic. That part of his work is still huge. I think he is a conservative.


6 posted on 12/13/2011 12:15:05 PM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: veritas3

Wow, a scientist admitting he was wrong. Don’t see that very often.


7 posted on 12/13/2011 12:18:55 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: GSWarrior

I have listened to Dr Gray on several times on local radio and he is a good guy. He has been a leader on the low count of hurricanes and been closer than the global warming nuts. Several weather guys in this area are not supported by politics have spoken against global warming.

This kinda kicks the science let out of the global warming stool.


8 posted on 12/13/2011 12:21:34 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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I saw him speak at an event with Michael Crichton a few years ago. Gray must be in his 80s.


9 posted on 12/13/2011 12:30:04 PM PST by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than politicians, professors and preachers.)
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