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'Fountains' of methane 1,000m across erupt from Arctic ice
Daily mail ^ | 12.13.2011 | n/a

Posted on 12/15/2011 4:29:02 AM PST by wolfcreek

The Russian research vessel Academician Lavrentiev conducted a survey of 10,000 square miles of sea off the coast of eastern Siberia. They made a terrifying discovery - huge plumes of methane bubbles rising to the surface from the seabed. 'We found more than 100 fountains, some more than a kilometre across,' said Dr Igor Semiletov, 'These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.'

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No Smoking!
1 posted on 12/15/2011 4:29:06 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; decimon

Worse than CO2 Ping!


2 posted on 12/15/2011 4:30:33 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: wolfcreek

Needless to say, Barry will blame these on George W Bush.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 4:31:20 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: wolfcreek

The Earth had beans last week?


4 posted on 12/15/2011 4:33:05 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: wolfcreek

And for how many years/decades/centuries/millenia has this gone on?


5 posted on 12/15/2011 4:34:16 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: wolfcreek

Terrifying because of the dangers to ships sailing above them? Why should anyone find the fountains terrifying?


6 posted on 12/15/2011 4:34:33 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: wolfcreek

Are there that many cows in Siberia? The Russians should pass a law requiring all Siberians to become VEGANS.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 4:34:41 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Wilum
..or...."The Earth Has Gas" besides a fever....
8 posted on 12/15/2011 4:35:15 AM PST by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: PigRigger

OMG! Are we all going to die or what???!!!!!!


9 posted on 12/15/2011 4:37:01 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: wolfcreek

D O O M E D


10 posted on 12/15/2011 4:40:20 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: wolfcreek

Burn it!


11 posted on 12/15/2011 4:40:42 AM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: wolfcreek

Erf pharts


12 posted on 12/15/2011 4:44:56 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Centralization destroys the blight of monopoly")
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To: mewzilla
"Terrifying because of the dangers to ships sailing above them?"

I remember reading an article that said a ship sailing over such an area could suddenly lose bouyancy and sink - they did experiments in a wave tank with models.
Methinks those vast underground resevoirs of methane are what keeps producing petroleum, (oil is not "fossile-fuel").

13 posted on 12/15/2011 4:45:31 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Clara Lou
And for how many years/decades/centuries/millenia has this gone on?

Since 2001, of course.... Bush's fault:


14 posted on 12/15/2011 4:47:45 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: wolfcreek

Is this more dangerous to global warming than cow farts? The scientists should belly up here and do statistical comparisons then draw erroneous conclusions as usual. This is only a half finished study.


15 posted on 12/15/2011 4:47:58 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: Clara Lou; Salamander
"And for how many years/decades/centuries/millenia has this gone on?"

Don't be silly.

Sal and I caused it by using our asthma inhalers last week.
16 posted on 12/15/2011 4:48:21 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: wolfcreek

Is methane gas worthless or does it have some use?


17 posted on 12/15/2011 4:51:54 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: wolfcreek
Mother Earth says "pull my finger".
18 posted on 12/15/2011 4:52:05 AM PST by Tribune7 (Say No To O)
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To: Psalm 73
Oil is a fossil fuel.

Oil typically contains biomarkers - porphyrins, isoprenoids, pristane, phytane, cholestane, terpines, and clorins - which are related to biochemicals such as chlorophyll and hemoglobin.

The chemical fingerprint of oil assumed to have been formed from, for example, algae is different from that of oil formed from plankton. Thus geochemists can (and routinely do) use biomarkers to trace oil samples to specific source rocks.

Oil and methane are two different things. FReepers do tend to confuse them: I don't know why. I remember reading a post from a FReeper who assumed that because the moon Titan has a sea of methane therefore it also has oil, and therefore oil must be abiotic in origin. Not true!

Hope this was helpful.

19 posted on 12/15/2011 4:57:44 AM PST by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: SMARTY
Is methane gas worthless or does it have some use?

Natural gas used to heat homes and fuel power plants is methane.

20 posted on 12/15/2011 4:58:32 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Psalm 73
"Methinks those vast underground resevoirs of methane are what keeps producing petroleum, (oil is not "fossile-fuel")."

Oil not a Fossil-Fuel?


21 posted on 12/15/2011 4:59:43 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Psalm 73
Methinks those vast underground resevoirs of methane are what keeps producing petroleum

Just the opposite. When crude oil is exposed to heat and pressure, it continues to break down into smaller molecules including down to methane. The oldest, thermally mature oil fields have a higher percentage of natural gas.

In refineries, we do the same thing. We use heat and pressure to breakdown heavier petroleum molecules into smaller, lighter ones.

22 posted on 12/15/2011 5:01:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Clara Lou

Just because it has not been seen does not mean it has not happened. I am sure we have all sorts of monitors and detectors now to tell us what is happening out there.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 5:04:53 AM PST by taterjay
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To: thackney

Oh...well then why not capture the methane? Or is that not practical?


24 posted on 12/15/2011 5:08:58 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: wolfcreek

Isn’t the same process some have suspected of being the mystery of the “Bermuda Triangle”? Methane gas released and mysteriously sinking ships and downing planes?


25 posted on 12/15/2011 5:11:09 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Psalm 73
In the powder coating business it's called fluidizing, The powder sits above a porous membrane, at this point you can lay a brick on it and it's like laying a brick on sand. Once the air is forced through the membrane it suspends or floats the powder to where it actually reacts similar to water and the brick will immediately fall to the bottom. This would have the same effect with water, once it get to the point of fluidizing it can longer support the ship. Not the best definition but it's the only one I have.
26 posted on 12/15/2011 5:11:31 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: wolfcreek

Earth: “Here, pull my finger.”


27 posted on 12/15/2011 5:12:58 AM PST by Wizdum (Wisdom is what you gain when things go wrong.)
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To: wolfcreek

There is Bermuda triangle setup... Buoyancy must be a doozy


28 posted on 12/15/2011 5:12:58 AM PST by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: wolfcreek

Drill now! Save the planet! Create jobs! Drop fuel prices. Go for it!!!!!!!


29 posted on 12/15/2011 5:14:01 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: wolfcreek

The plot thickens, let the truth be know farting whales not man made.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 5:14:59 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Psalm 73

Gov’t terrifies me. Methane fountains not so much :-)


31 posted on 12/15/2011 5:17:16 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: SMARTY
In this location, it is scattered along the ocean floor trapped in a latice of ice.

Some of these larger releases are due to shifting along the ocean floor in the arctic, exposing previously buried hydrates.

There has been some success in drilling into these formation to produce the methane, but it is still new and the technology is being developed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436650/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2455581/posts

The potential for this source is very large, if it can be economically developed. The recent successes in the shale gas production have postponed most of the interest in methane hydrates for the time being.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 5:20:19 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: wolfcreek
Something big is down there…and it’s farting.
33 posted on 12/15/2011 5:26:07 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: wolfcreek

And the earth continues to manage these fluctuations with a wave and a flutter, as temperatures ebb and flow, as they have for millennia....
irrespective of the activities of man.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 5:30:37 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: wolfcreek

Is this the REAL reason for the ozone hole, not my SUV?


35 posted on 12/15/2011 5:31:42 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: wolfcreek
Probably methane hydrates on the sea floor being disturbed. It's like snow on the ocean floor where the cold and pressure keep it locked in a “cage” of ice. Disturb it and the methane is released and then the one next to it and so forth.
36 posted on 12/15/2011 5:35:28 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: thackney

I should have read all the responses first.


37 posted on 12/15/2011 5:38:17 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: wolfcreek

Is it any surprise Siberia smells like a big fart? :-)


38 posted on 12/15/2011 5:38:28 AM PST by almost done by half
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To: G Larry
I don't believe there was a reference to AGW in the article.

The Earth goes through periods of warming and cooling, oceans rising and falling. This is obviously a warming period and the release of methane may be symptom.

39 posted on 12/15/2011 5:48:24 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Clara Lou
Many

Methane venting suspected as cause of several past mass extinction events

http://thejacoblog.com/costa-rican-earthquake-releases-methane-bubbles/

We just watched the horrible SyFy movie “Ice Quake” last weekend, of course in this silly movie the methane earthquakes were blamed on global warming...

However, there is an element of scientific fact in the catastrophic potential effects of a massive methane release into the oceans or atmosphere (read up on theories of methane hydrate gasification as a cause or contributor to the Permian Triassic extinction (the Great Dying, Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum) and other mass extinction events possibly triggered by climate change)

Relatively local gas venting events in Africa in the vicinity of certain volcanic lakes have wiped out entire villages and all surrounding life and may pose future threat to millions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/26/africa-lake-kivu-co2-gas

40 posted on 12/15/2011 5:51:54 AM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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To: wolfcreek

The article cites a HUGE, NATURALLY OCCURRING source of “greenhouse gases”, which nature manages just fine.
This little data point helps illustrate that the human factor is insignificant and there is no AGW!


41 posted on 12/15/2011 5:54:26 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: wolfcreek
...The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.

Let me guess... They're horrified, horrified at this discovery. Why someone should do something about this immediately if not sooner! Don't think, just know that you have to act now! Let me take another wild guess - who do they want to pay for it? Someone else.

42 posted on 12/15/2011 5:56:47 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: wolfcreek
From the article.....'Over a relatively small area, we found more than 100, but over a wider area, there should be thousands of them.'

Should be? Heck, I can take a WAG from my desk here in North America.

And yet, this passes for serious science.

43 posted on 12/15/2011 5:58:04 AM PST by wbill
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To: Psalm 73

I saw a show about the Bermuda Triangle. These types of methane plumes were one of the possible explanations for the loss of so many ships in that area of the Atlantic.
The lack of bouyancy was given as the reason for the sinking of so many ships.


44 posted on 12/15/2011 6:00:21 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: RichInOC

Maybe this has been where Godzilla has been hiding. Siberia is not that far from Tokyo.


45 posted on 12/15/2011 6:03:48 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: wolfcreek

I recall a documentary claiming huge methane bubbles could be responsible for sinking ships in the Bermuda triangle.


46 posted on 12/15/2011 6:04:44 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bk1000

And there was that lake in Africa or where ever that released a huge methane [turned to CO2] bubble that killed everyone in the area.


47 posted on 12/15/2011 6:07:12 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: RichInOC
Something big is down there…and it’s farting.

Oh Nos......THE BLOB

48 posted on 12/15/2011 6:12:14 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: Clara Lou

As the planet warms and sea levels rise, it is inundated with seawater, which is 12-15 degrees warmer than the average air temperature.

The areas of these methane ‘fountains’ is 150 ft UNDER WATER. Since man caused ‘global warming’ the ocean level has not risen even an inch, and in fact has been going down the last few years.

Anyone with a brain should realize that trying to blame man for what is going on on the sea floor 150 ft below the surface is a moron.


49 posted on 12/15/2011 6:15:28 AM PST by milwguy
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To: thackney
re post #20.....some maybe have completely forgotten or never had high school chemistry / physical science.

Good to see an expert graciously remind posters that nat-gas and methane are the same.....Russia has a large gas field waiting to be harvested.

50 posted on 12/15/2011 6:29:19 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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