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Marines promoted inflated story for Medal of Honor recipient (Barf Alert)
The Washington Post ^ | December 14, 2011 | McClatchy Newspapers

Posted on 12/15/2011 7:17:14 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane

With Dakota Meyer standing at attention in his dress uniform, sweat glistening on his forehead under the television lights, President Barack Obama extolled the former Marine corporal for the “extraordinary actions” that had earned him the Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest award for valor. SNIP

But an exhaustive assessment by a McClatchy correspondent who was embedded with the unit and survived the ambush found that the Marines’ official accounts of Meyer’s deeds....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: dakotameyer; hero; medalofhonor
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Complete story at link. How dare we honor our heroes! /sarc
1 posted on 12/15/2011 7:17:27 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane
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To: World'sGoneInsane

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/dakota-meyer-took-heroic-action-comrades-say/2011/12/14/gIQAjD3zuO_story.html?wprss=rss_national-security


2 posted on 12/15/2011 7:20:22 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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But an exhaustive assessment by a McClatchy correspondent who was embedded with the unit ...

Read no further than that. I'll take the Marines version over some leftist reporter's version.

3 posted on 12/15/2011 7:22:58 AM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Spirochete
Exactly! Yet, they try to tear this young man down.

In his own mind, I am sure the correspondent thinks he is a hero for just being there.

4 posted on 12/15/2011 7:25:20 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

However,Meyer was presented the medal by the bravest man the Post’s editors ever met!


5 posted on 12/15/2011 7:26:22 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: World'sGoneInsane

“former Marine Corporal”...I’ll repeat...once a Marine always a Marine...


6 posted on 12/15/2011 7:28:31 AM PST by MassPole
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To: World'sGoneInsane

Boy this shows just how sick the Perry haters are.

BAE spreading a little money to smear a MOH awardee and the media gets to smear a Perry supporter. A two fer.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 7:29:02 AM PST by marty60
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To: World'sGoneInsane

One line from the story confirms that these people are clinically insane:

“...the revelations could tarnish one of the signature moments of his time as commander in chief.”

Apparently, this medal is all about Obama.


8 posted on 12/15/2011 7:31:04 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

Embeds - Can’t live with ‘em, Can’t live with ‘em.


9 posted on 12/15/2011 7:31:15 AM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: World'sGoneInsane

I knew this was coming and got a heads up call last night. Much more coming and the truth will come out.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 7:31:23 AM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
There has been plenty of politics played with the MOH. Clinton got Inouye the MOH. I also have no doubt that the services are also being pressured to do something similar.

There are inconsistencies between the citation as read by Obama and the facts as sworn to by the participants. I don't rule the reporter for being out of hand. He says Williams deserved the MOH but there are factual inconsistencies. And the WH played a role in the write-up.

11 posted on 12/15/2011 7:39:32 AM PST by kabar
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To: The Mayor
I also posted a link that the Marines stand on Dakota's valor.

Yes, I believe the truth will show an orchestrated smear.

12 posted on 12/15/2011 7:47:02 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: kabar
This Marine was working for a DOD contractor which he acussed of distributing better NOGS to the Paki’s that to our guys in the field.
He was harassed within the company and left. He received a less than glowing reference. Stating that he was “Mentally Unstable” and basically a loose cannon.
He sued
This is payback for outing a DOD contractor
13 posted on 12/15/2011 7:49:03 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

None of this came out until he publicly threw his support behind Perry. The left is dirt.


14 posted on 12/15/2011 7:49:34 AM PST by jersey117 (.)
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To: kabar

Correction Meyer not Williams


15 posted on 12/15/2011 7:50:57 AM PST by kabar
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To: World'sGoneInsane

Every story of every battle has as many versions as there are participants. Until the author or reporter goes back and verifies the unverified facts, I say STFU.

He deserves the medal for what was verified, and he was given the medal in honor of ALL those who do any act of honor, including taking up arms. When was the last time a reporter earned a medal for saving anyone or retrieving the fallen? It’s not like receiving the Nobel Peace Prize of inaction.


16 posted on 12/15/2011 7:58:50 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Robe
Payback or not, the MOH has been politicized for some time now. Clinton upgraded the decorations of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team to award them 20 MOHs in 2000. Sen Inoyue was one of them.

To put this in perspective, there were only 464 MOHs awarded for action in WWII. In total, about 14,000 men served in the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. They ultimately earned 9,486 Purple Hearts and an unprecedented eight Presidential Unit Citations. 21 received the MOH, but only one contemperaneously. Clinton awarded the other 20. So 21 out of the 464 MOHs awarded in WWII went to one regiment of 14,000 compared to 443 to the remaining 16 million Americans who served under arms. This is not to detract from the valor and performance of these men, but there is no doubt that political correctness and guilt played a part.

I am sure there is pressure on the services to nominate people to represent their service and to have a public ceremony honoring them to represent all who have served. As a Vietnam vet I have seen such medal inflation. And I am sure everyone is familiar with LBJ's famous Silver Star medal achieved while flying as a passenger on the periphery of a combat zone.

I don't question Dakota Meyer's bravery or that he deserves the MOH. It is unfortunate that someone or some people decided to embelish his feats or to alter the facts. It tarnishes something needlessly. I would put it past the WH, which views everything thru the prisim of politics.

17 posted on 12/15/2011 8:08:34 AM PST by kabar
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To: huldah1776
When was the last time a reporter earned a medal for saving anyone or retrieving the fallen?

As far as I have seen, most reporters come out of there with deep respect for our troops and the job they do.

And then there are others that will use their experience for profit and self-promotion.

18 posted on 12/15/2011 8:09:01 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

I have been working with Mrs Price, mother of Aaron Kenefik, one of the Marines Meyer brought back. We have been able to get 3 articles written in the Buffalo News the latest says Answer the questions...


19 posted on 12/15/2011 8:13:25 AM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
I suggest you reread the story. Did you catch this part?

What’s most striking is that all this probably was unnecessary. Meyer, the 296th Marine to earn the medal, by all accounts deserved his nomination. At least seven witnesses attested to him performing heroic deeds “in the face of almost certain death.”

20 posted on 12/15/2011 8:14:46 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
I would put it past the WH, which views everything thru the prisim of politics.

The politics here is that he showed character in standing up to his employer. He could have just remained silent and taken his pay and benefits. BUT, he could not remain silent, because of his character.

Oh yes, and supporting Perry probably hasn't helped his cause. Had he remained silent, no one would be questioning anything.

21 posted on 12/15/2011 8:16:18 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: kabar
I posted two stories. The first being the attack on the Marine from the reporter. In the forum post section, I posted the follow-up from the Marines he served with.

Experience shows, many outlets will push the first story without the follow-up. If this post serves to preempt a smear, then I am glad you and others are reading it.

22 posted on 12/15/2011 8:25:20 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
I don't read the story the way you do. The author is attacking the politicians and the service chiefs for creating a narrative that isn't backed by the facts, which are included in official records and sworn testimony. Meyer had no control over it. He was a victim of shoddy and perhaps intentional work. Again the author, says,

The approval of Meyer’s medal — in an unusually short time — came as lawmakers and serving and former officers pressed the military services and the Pentagon to award more Medals of Honor because of the relatively few conferred in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Only 10 of the decorations have been awarded since 2001, seven of them posthumously.

The president’s version drew on materials the Marine Corps provided but it was written in the White House, the Marine officials said. While there’s no indication that the White House knew that Obama was narrating an embellished story — to an audience of several hundred Meyer family members, top officials, lawmakers and service members — the revelations could tarnish one of the signature moments of his time as commander in chief.

The White House said Obama’s remarks were based primarily on “extensive documentation provided by the Department of Defense and the Marine Corps,” including sworn testimony from Meyer and other eyewitnesses. It also relied on news reports and on a 2011 book, “The Wrong War” by Bing West. However, McClatchy found that the book’s account of the battle is riddled with inaccuracies.

23 posted on 12/15/2011 8:25:55 AM PST by kabar
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To: MassPole

The Washington Post? They are not fit to kiss the boots of my marine son!


24 posted on 12/15/2011 8:28:56 AM PST by juliej
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To: kabar
If spectacular (and of verifiable military significance) achievement were anywhere near as important as politics in the award of the MOH, then John Ripley would have one.
25 posted on 12/15/2011 8:31:32 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
There is a natural confusion in battle just as you have when you get different accounts from eyewitnesses to an accident. However, there are claims that can be factually ascertained. Nowhere in the article do I find anyone who says that Meyer doesn't deserve the MOH.

McClatchy found that the claim that Meyer saved the lives of 13 U.S. Marines and soldiers couldn’t be true. Twelve Americans were ambushed — including this correspondent — and of those, four were killed. (One wounded American would die a month later.) Moreover, multiple sworn statements affirm McClatchy’s firsthand reporting that it was the long-delayed arrival of U.S. helicopters that saved the American survivors.

There are no statements attesting to Meyer killing eight Taliban as recounted on the Marine Corps website. The driver of Meyer’s vehicle, Staff Sgt. Juan Rodriguez-Chavez, reported seeing Meyer kill one insurgent.

No sworn statements — including one Meyer gave to military investigators five days after the battle — refer to him leaping from the Humvee’s turret to rescue 24 wounded Afghan soldiers on his first two runs into the valley. Rodriguez-Chavez attested to nine Afghan soldiers getting into the Humvee by themselves while Meyer remained in the turret.

Four sworn statements, including Rodriguez-Chavez’s, undermine the claim that he and Meyer drove into the valley against orders. And the documents indicate that it was Swenson who led the final drive to retrieve the fallen Americans, taking command of Meyer’s Humvee after ditching his bullet-riddled Ford Ranger. Meyer rode in the Humvee’s back seat.

The inflated versions of events were prepared at the Marine Corps’ Public Affairs office at the Pentagon by a special working group assembled for the task, a knowledgeable official said. The group consulted Meyer’s former commander, Williams, as it drafted the citation, but it didn’t confer with him in assembling the account posted on the Marine Corps website, the official said.

The Marines excluded Williams — who was shot and wounded in the left arm during the battle and won a Bronze Star for valor — from Meyer’s ceremony at the White House. Also excluded was Capt. Ademola Fabayo, who won the Navy Cross, the nation’s second-highest award for valor, for his role in Ganjgal. Williams and Fabayo declined to be interviewed for this article.

26 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:40 AM PST by kabar
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Agreed. Maybe some future President will upgrade his NC to a MOH as was done with Inyoue.


27 posted on 12/15/2011 8:37:03 AM PST by kabar
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No matter what story you read or how you are reading it, note the headline of the thread.

"Marines promoted inflated story for Medal of Honor recipient"

I am standing with the Marines that were there, rather than the reporters version.

28 posted on 12/15/2011 8:37:07 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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We have the sworn testimony of the Marines who were there. The facts don't square with the narrative, that is the point of the story.

Sterner said errors in citations had always haunted recipients and that many Medal of Honor winners had been cited for things they didn’t do. He added that the mounting pressure to find a living recipient has made mistakes in details almost inevitable.

“Did this man deserve the Medal of Honor? If the answer to that is yes, then the details of the citation become secondary,” Sterner said. “But we do need to keep the record as accurately as we possibly can.”

29 posted on 12/15/2011 8:39:54 AM PST by kabar
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The MOH's awarded to members of the 442nd/100th were an upgrade to the reality ~ the events that transpired supported the MOH but the politics of the time prohibited JAs getting such awards in such numbers, or at all.

Yes, those little guys were incredibly brave and really did incredible things.

Their commanding officer was under the impression he was supposed to use them in very dangerous situations ~ maybe not as "shock troops" but pretty close.

Another unit that got an awful lot of MOHs was the 115, that is the First Battalion of the Fifteenth Infantry Brigade. Of course they got similar awards in WWI and in Korea. One evening on guard when I'd won the Guard of Honor designation I got to stand in Headquarters and I took the time to read every single one of their awards, and look at their pictures.

Heroes look like everybody else ~ but what they do for the MOH is beyond that which is required. They do what they are supposed to do and that gets you a Silver Star ~ and they go beyond that and do that which puts them in reach of death ~ and then they go way beyond that. At some point others may join them.

It's everything Homer said it was ~ and beyond that.

7 witnesses attested to events that justified the MOH in this case.

A single Leftwing propagandist wants this second guessed. Let me say this about that ~ he was imbedded. The fact he returned alive means he wasn't close enough to really know what this young man did.

30 posted on 12/15/2011 8:52:02 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Thank you, Muawiyah. Well said.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 8:55:56 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: kabar

I’m right with you, Kabar


32 posted on 12/15/2011 9:02:41 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Embeds - Can’t live with ‘em, Can’t live with ‘em

...can't shoot 'em... ...at least not while anyone is watching...

33 posted on 12/15/2011 9:07:47 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

If the reporter provides the documents to back up what he says, what we gonna do? Say he forged them? After the Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman fiascos, I will be highly ticked off if this is true. The military isn’t above lying about these things.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 9:14:51 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: World'sGoneInsane
So, there are multiple documents about this incident, and they differ with each other on some details. Obviously, this proves that there's something nefarious afoot -- it couldn't possibly just be normal military-bureaucratic SNAFUs or anything like that.

Must be a slow news day....

35 posted on 12/15/2011 9:15:09 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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"..assessment by a McClatchy correspondent who was embedded .."

Why don't they name this person?

36 posted on 12/15/2011 9:23:58 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: muawiyah
The MOH's awarded to members of the 442nd/100th were an upgrade to the reality ~ the events that transpired supported the MOH but the politics of the time prohibited JAs getting such awards in such numbers, or at all.

The facts don't bear that out at all. One MOH was awarded at the time and the other 20 were awarded by Clinton. These were upgraded from DSCs, not exactly a shabby award. The 442nd Regimental Combat Team was the most decorated unit, for its size and length of service, in the entire history of the U.S. Military. The Unit received 52 DSCs and an unprecedented 8 PUCs. 20 of those DSCs were upgraded to the MOH by Clinton. The idea that the politics of the time "prohibited" JAs getting such awards in such numbers is pure nonsense. In fact, it was probably good politics to counteract the internment camps and the shadow cast on the loyalty of JAs.

I believe that 21 MOHs to a unit of 14,000 serving members is grossly disproportionate and motivated by politics. 27 MOHs were given for Iwo Jima, 30% of all the MOHs awarded to the USMC during WWII. You could probably use the same rationale to upgrade Navy Crosses awarded on Iwo Jima to MOHs as was used by Clinton to upgrade those to the 442nd.

We have plenty of people who want to push their revisionist view of history. The MOH has been politicized along with other narratives that try to use diversity and multiculturalism as their themes. It demeans the awards and distorts history. Ken Burns show on WWII devoted a large portion of time on the internment camps, the 442nd, blacks, etc. on their contribution to the war effort.

There were 125,000 African Americans who were overseas in World War II. Clinton upgraded the awards of 7 black WWII servicemen to the MOH. If you don't believe that is not motivated by politics, then we will just agree to disagree.

37 posted on 12/15/2011 9:31:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: World'sGoneInsane

Very, very low, even for the Washington Post - and that’s sating something about these bottom feeders.


38 posted on 12/15/2011 9:44:44 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: MassPole

Unless your Lee Harvey Oswald or Charles Whitman...


39 posted on 12/15/2011 10:04:02 AM PST by gman992 ("I'm a conservative. I'm just a happy conservative.")
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To: chessplayer
The point of all of this is that Dakota Meyer did not ask for this honor, nor the public attention.

No Marine or service member wants to be in the position that he and his fellow Marines were in that day. He did what a Marine would do.

If the reporter has a problem with the story, then let him/her go after that--NOT the agreed acts of heroism by Meyer's.

40 posted on 12/15/2011 10:16:12 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: Robe

I think you’re correct. This has everything to do with his complaints about a DOD contractor.


41 posted on 12/15/2011 10:44:05 AM PST by petitfour
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To: World'sGoneInsane
Correction:

Media promoted massive number of inflated stories for mObama's Honor (Fact Alert)

42 posted on 12/15/2011 10:48:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: DoughtyOne

No, I don’t believe that.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 10:58:39 AM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

;^)


44 posted on 12/15/2011 11:09:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: kabar

A Cavalry Troop Captain was KIA while standing on his 113. Years later we learned he received the DSC for attacking bunkers, killing NVA with hand grenades and a 45. He was 24 from West Point.

He never dismounted his command vehicle, which was behind another 113.

Some Awards are embellished. Napoleon said something about soldiers love trinkets.


45 posted on 12/15/2011 11:39:56 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: chessplayer; All
34 posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:14:51 AM by chessplayer: “If the reporter provides the documents to back up what he says, what we gonna do? Say he forged them? After the Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman fiascos, I will be highly ticked off if this is true. The military isn’t above lying about these things.”

Chessplayer is right.

Nobody, including the reporter, is saying the MOH recipient didn't deserve the honor. The question is whether the official citation was embellished or not, and if so, why.

Attacking the media on this — especially since a reporter was there at the time and has firsthand knowledge of at least some of the incident — is not the answer. We have the First Amendment for a reason, and the key part of that reason is to have a check and balance on government. A reporter's job is to report the facts, and it's possible to test whether the report is in agreement with the facts. Facts are stubborn things, and we will likely find out very soon what the facts are in this case.

I remember at the time that Marine involved called himself the farthest thing from a hero, but said he was accepting on behalf of his fellow troops to recognize their accomplishments. That comment stuck with me, and indicated either an extreme amount of modesty (quite possible, given the circumstances) or that there were facts that hadn't yet come out.

For better or for worse, we likely will now find out much more about this MOH recipient and the incident than we ever expected to know. In the long run, getting facts verified or refuted is not a bad thing.

46 posted on 12/15/2011 12:13:33 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/12/14/1994763/dakota-meyer-was-a-hero-even-if.html


47 posted on 12/15/2011 12:21:48 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: darrellmaurina
Attacking the media on this — especially since a reporter was there at the time and has firsthand knowledge of at least some of the incident — is not the answer.

The fact that it came from an unnamed reporter/media is what makes the headline suspicious.

48 posted on 12/15/2011 12:33:12 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
The NYT story says there are concerns that this could “tarnish one of the signature moments of [Obama’s] time as commander in chief.”

Imagine! "tarnish a signature moment of Obama as commander in chief." Almost more than one can fathom.....

Medal of Honor Marine Dakota Meyer speaks in the video below.

[6:45] Medal recipients tell of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fellow heroes -- and why they support Rick Perry.

49 posted on 12/15/2011 12:43:14 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Isn’t it a strange coincidence that he is in this video and now the story is being questioned.


50 posted on 12/15/2011 1:00:57 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Make America Great Again--Perry 2012)
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