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Ron Paul: Iran wants to disrupt world oil supply because we are provoking them
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Posted on 12/15/2011 10:05:50 AM PST by mnehring

In a town hall yesterday, Ron Paul said that Iran is acting in a “rational manner” by threatening to disrupt the world oil supply in the Persian Gulf. He believes Iran is only defending itself from the provocations of the West and told the crowd that if he were president, he’d be “provoking them a lot less.”

“We’re just looking for trouble,” Paul said. “We’re building the war propaganda against Iran just as we did against Iraq.”

Since Paul believes that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons to defend itself, he characterized Iran’s response as saying “we can’t really defend ourselves so we might sink a boat, sink a ship out there in the Persian Gulf.”

Here’s the full video:

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------ How would I deal with the threat or the so-called threat of the Iranians, that they are going to disrupt the oil supply?

Well I’d be provoking them a lot less because they’re reacting to the provoking of the West saying “we’re gonna put on sanctions”. We have them surrounded with nuclear weapons and we’re claiming that they’re gonna build a nuclear weapon and there’s no evidence for this.

So we’re just looking for trouble. We’re building the war propaganda against Iran just as we did against Iraq.

And it’s the march on. You know it’s Libya and it’s in Egypt and now we’re involved in Syria, now we’re sending troops into Africa. And also, of course we’re still in Iraq, we’re into Pakistan and we’ve been in Afghanistan for a long time.

And people want to go to war against Iran. And I think they’re reacting to the provocations of so many other people saying that “we’re liable to bomb you because you are building a nuclear weapon.” But our CIA doesn’t confirm that nor does the UN confirm that.

So they’re acting actually in a rational manner because they’re saying “they’re gonna attack us and start bombing us”. They have to say “well, we don’t have any nuclear weapons, we can’t really defend ourselves. So we might sink a boat, sink a ship out there in the Persian Gulf”, hoping that we might back off.

I just think we’re treating the whole thing wrong. …

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Once again, Fraud Paul blames the US.
1 posted on 12/15/2011 10:06:00 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Go ahead Paulies keep telling us how great Ru Paul is.
2 posted on 12/15/2011 10:07:32 AM PST by mk2000
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To: mk2000

Cranial rectal inversion. The guy is nutso!


3 posted on 12/15/2011 10:08:31 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: mnehring

Yeah, right. According to Paul, Iran would be a good citizen of the world if it wasn’t for America and Israel “provoking” them. Stick to diagnosing runny noses, Dr. Paul. I hope you know more about medicine that you do about foreign policy. Frakkin’ idiot.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 10:09:06 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: mnehring

Paul is at least consistent in being a nutcase.


5 posted on 12/15/2011 10:09:47 AM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: mk2000

6 posted on 12/15/2011 10:10:40 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: mnehring

There is much to like about Ron Paul.

Then there’s stuff like this.

“Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”


7 posted on 12/15/2011 10:12:11 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SMARTY

Is that the same thing as cranial rectumtimistus?


8 posted on 12/15/2011 10:13:27 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: mnehring

Blame America First. That’s RuPaul’s entire stock-in-trade.

Where are the Paultards on this thread, I’m in the mood for a good ZOTting.

FURP


9 posted on 12/15/2011 10:15:08 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: mnehring

And why is 0bama disrupting our oil supplies?


10 posted on 12/15/2011 10:15:27 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: mnehring

The Democrats don’t have a primary battle, so they’re messing around supporting Paul. Let’s return the favor and run Pee Wee Herman in the Democrat primary. It’s hard to tell Pee Wee and Obama apart. Pee Wee is more manly, I guess.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 10:18:39 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mnehring

OPPS, the crazy uncle got out of the attic again!


12 posted on 12/15/2011 10:21:34 AM PST by JayAr36
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To: TSgt

now that is scary


13 posted on 12/15/2011 10:22:43 AM PST by mk2000
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks mnehring.


14 posted on 12/15/2011 10:25:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul is almost as un-American as Obama!
15 posted on 12/15/2011 10:25:26 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: svcw

Probably.

Paul is ready for a giggle jacket anyway!


16 posted on 12/15/2011 10:26:17 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: mnehring

Dr. Paul, take two aspirin then don’t call me in the morning.

The Persians want to screw up world oil because they are criminals.


17 posted on 12/15/2011 10:27:46 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: mnehring

Just a Few Examples of Ron Paul's Record

Foreign Policy

Ron Paul Says We Just Need A Few Submarines to Defend America

Ron Paul Goes Full Metal Truther
"And it’s… just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately, before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq. So the war drums beat…" - Ron Paul

Ron Paul Slams America: We’re “Building War Propaganda Again Iran,” They Are “Acting In A Rational Manner” When They Threaten To Nuke Us…

Associations

The Ron Paul Campaign and it's Neo-Nazi Supporters

Just a few examples from the article...

Paul campaign Solicitation on Neo-Nazi Hate Site

Domestic Policy

Ron Paul loves Pork Spending

REP. PAUL: I vote against it, so I don't endorse the system.
MR. RUSSERT: But when it passes overwhelmingly, you take the money back home.
REP. PAUL: I don't take it. That's the system.

18 posted on 12/15/2011 10:29:40 AM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: mnehring

The mere fact that we are alive provokes them. So how could we possibly provoke them less?


19 posted on 12/15/2011 10:29:47 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: mnehring

The Lyndon LaRouche of the Republican Party

dude’s a total nut case.


20 posted on 12/15/2011 10:33:34 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul said that Iran is acting in a “rational manner”...

I guess it depends upon what the meaning of rational is.

21 posted on 12/15/2011 10:36:18 AM PST by McGruff (Hold the House, retake the Senate.)
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To: mnehring

IMHO, the Mullahs are completely nuts. But also, our sanctions & threats are driving Iranians further into a paranoiac religious fervor that says if they are going down, they are going to use what they have to take down everything & everyone they can with them. It would make sense that Iran would try and disrupt the world oil supply -- which would hit us the hardest --in order to strike back at us.

We are putting Iran in a no-win scenario -- essentially poking sticks at a cornered and crazy dog, then acting shocked at the dog's response and using that response for more stick-poking. All he is saying is, "Quit poking sticks at them".

There may come a time when we have to do something about Iran, but the first thing we should do is to stop exacerbating the problem -- unless we are prepared for the result of $5 a gallon gasoline on this flagging economy and another war that we can't afford right now, and probable Iranian terrorism here in the US.

Ron Paul's is completely rational thinking on this. Nothing crazy here.

22 posted on 12/15/2011 10:41:26 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: mnehring

The man is completely detached from reality.


23 posted on 12/15/2011 10:45:17 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: mnehring

damn this Ron Paul jerk loves Iran...maybe he should relocate there...do us a favor...

every day he becomes more senile.


24 posted on 12/15/2011 10:50:12 AM PST by haircutter
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To: Astronaut

Such vitriol on this post!

No refutation of his statements, though.

The truth is that the US has been dickin’ Iran around since Mossadegh nationalized British Petroleum’s assets in 1953. In comes the Shah, our friend. He turns bloody repressive on his own people, but what the heck! He’s our guy! Carter abandons him; we get Kohmenie’s bunch. Meanwhile, Saddam is next door doing our bidding, spending years at war with Iran. Good boy, that Saddam. Whoops! He invades Kuwait. We whack him once, but leave him in power. After 9/11 we whack him again, and string him up.

Face it: the US is the bully boy in the middle east, in a global quest to assure and control the flow of oil.Turn the table around for a moment. Would you put up with 1/10th the meddling in our national affairs if those shoes were on your feet?

The truth sucks when your nationalist pride gets tweaked by inconvenient facts. Screw the Middle East; bring our men and women of the Armed Forces home.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 11:04:57 AM PST by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: mnehring

Boy, he just keeps on lobbing those nutbar bombs out there, doesn’t he?


26 posted on 12/15/2011 11:07:13 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: mnehring
Once again, Fraud Paul blames the US.

This constant refrain that Ron Paul "blames America" reminds of the old joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto:

The Lone Ranger and Tonto are riding through one of the many canyons when suddenly rising from the hill on their right are hundreds of Indians. They start to spur their horses forward when they realize that there are hundreds of Indians ahead of them. Wheeling to the left, they once again see hundreds of Indians rising from the hill. They begin to back away in the direction from which they had come and they realize they are surrounded. The Indians had spread out. They are trapped.
The Lone Ranger turns to Tonto, his life-long friend, and says "Tonto, my friend, I think I must say that I have treasured our times together but now I think we are doomed."
"We?" replied Tonto "What's all this 'we', Paleface?"

When was the last time the people that control US policy, foreign or domestic, represented the will of American people on anything? When have they NOT acted against the best interests of the average American citizen. How did destroying Iraq at the cost of Trillions of dollars help the average American? What good did the US-NATO do in bringing Al Qaeda to power in Lybia by bombing the hell out of innocent civilians that posed no threat to the US? How is that moral? How is that American? Why would anyone want to be associated with that? I don't.

If these usurpers in D.C., the District of Criminals, gave a damn about the security and safety of the American people they would have closed our south border years ago. More Americans are killed by and more wealth lost too illegal aliens in one year than to Muslim terrorists in decades. If they gave a damn about us they wouldn't have shipped all our jobs overseas nor given away Trillions to foreign banks. No these clowns are acting for other interests and not mine nor any other American. It isn't our government anymore.

27 posted on 12/15/2011 11:07:21 AM PST by Roninf5-1
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To: Bokababe

Finally, a Ron Paul / Iran apologist who actually thinks she makes sense.


28 posted on 12/15/2011 11:07:38 AM PST by mnehring
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To: SMARTY
Cranial rectal inversion.

Ron Paul deep in thought.


29 posted on 12/15/2011 11:18:23 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: DuncanWaring

Please tell us who you don’t want to go to war with, I could not care less if Iran gets a nuke. That seems to me to be Israel’s problem. Israel has nukes, maybe as many as 200, they have the best trained air force in the middle east, they are building there own missile shield, why should I send my son to war against a Nation that can neither attack us, nor harm our business interests, our weaknesses in energy are easily rectified in months if the necessity requires it, there is no political will because there is no necessity to drill, if global energy supplies are disrupted we will drill asap.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 11:23:02 AM PST by qman (If you are prepared you can't be surprised.)
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To: mnehring
Finally, a Ron Paul / Iran apologist who actually thinks she makes sense

I don't give a damn whether Ron Paul said it, Newt Gingrich said it or anyone else said it. It's about logic to me. Does it make sense? -- not just "Does it appeal to emotions?" or "Did my guy say it?"

We've been running on easily manipulable emotions for too long -- it's those same emotions that elected Barrack Obama. We need strategic thinkers, not wild-eyed zealotry. Conservatism used to have a tradition of thinkers and intellectuals who actually thought things out instead of who just pissed people off so they go jumping off of cliffs. What in the hell happened to that tradition? Because it was from there that we used to be able to come to agreement on issues based on principles. Now it's all some mob mentality that attacks ad hominem and name calls to make their point.

We've got to do better than this if we want any sort of future for this country.

31 posted on 12/15/2011 11:38:31 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Amen


32 posted on 12/15/2011 11:44:55 AM PST by tayper (Granny told me, Saying it don't make it so)
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To: mnehring

Is there a dispute over facts or just the propaganda spin?


33 posted on 12/15/2011 11:57:54 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Bokababe

Paul IS NOT a conservative.
I will forever baffled me that paulbots continue to say that he is.
Paul should be running on the libertarian ticket, the question is would they want him back.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 12:09:59 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Bokababe
We are pulling out of Iraq, and slowly out of Afghanistan. And it is the insurgencies that Iran supports, which have kept us there so long.
Turkey is not our friend these days and have not been since 2003. Until the recent revolt in Syria, Turkey was moving closer to Iran. So your map is BS. And Iran's nuclear program precedes all of this.
35 posted on 12/15/2011 12:13:15 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: svcw
Paul IS NOT a conservative.

Where did I say that he was? Not saying that he is or isn't, but I never said that 'Ron Paul was a Conservative".

What I did say was that Conservatism used to have a tradition of thinking, not just spewing.

Sad thing is that Barry Goldwater wouldn't even fit today's template of "a Conservative", which is far more internationalist Rockefeller Republican than anything Goldwater would recognize as his own.

36 posted on 12/15/2011 12:23:51 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Roninf5-1
"It isn't our government anymore.

BUMP!

The ruling class acts in their own interests not the interests of the American people.

There is a lot not to like in Ron Paul, but at least he would act in what he believes to be the best interests of the American people, I am not so sure about most of the others.

37 posted on 12/15/2011 12:24:25 PM PST by jpsb
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To: qman
"I could not care less if Iran gets a nuke."

While I agree with your sentiment, sadly the West can not allow Iran to get a nuke. Sorry we just can't allow that.

38 posted on 12/15/2011 12:27:32 PM PST by jpsb
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To: mnehring

Hey Ron, how rational is it to want to create a nuclear holocaust in the belief that only in that way can the 12th imam reappear?


39 posted on 12/15/2011 12:29:51 PM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Bokababe
"Now it's all some mob mentality that attacks ad hominem and name calls to make their point."

Public schools, very few are left that can actually think for themselves and actually know what Constitutional Conservatism really is. For example, whatever happened to declaring war before going to war as prescribed by our Constitution?

40 posted on 12/15/2011 12:34:51 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Bokababe
Ok, did you use those exact words nope.
However when you say Paul yadya yadya bla bla, conservatives should be thinkers, implies that you are also referring to Paul as conservative
Let's say that was not your intent, ok.
What you fail to realize apparently is that stating Paul's delusional and dangerous foreign polices statements are some how not brought forth with thought, because you disagree with the information brought forth about Paul and his long records or words, writings and supporter antics, in no way means that is spewing and unthoughtful.
pssst I was a Goldwater girl.

41 posted on 12/15/2011 12:36:00 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: rmlew
...And Iran's nuclear program precedes all of this.

Yes, it did! And guess who helped them start it? Us -- as part of the "Atoms for Peace Program"!

42 posted on 12/15/2011 12:37:36 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: qman

Let’s see now ... the regime in Iran appears to be of the belief that if they can initiate global chaos and destruction they can summon the return of the 12th Mahdi, ushering in an era of global peace under Islam, and you don’t care if they get nuclear weapons?


43 posted on 12/15/2011 12:43:45 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: svcw
"What you fail to realize apparently is that stating Paul's delusional and dangerous foreign polices statements..."

Simply labeling his statements here "delusional and dangerous" is not a legitimate logical refutation without saying what specifically about them you consider "delusional" or "dangerous" and why.

"pssst I was a Goldwater girl."

psst So was Hillary Clinton.

44 posted on 12/15/2011 12:45:38 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Ok, whatever you want to think. There are pages of documented evidence posted on these Paul threads that demonstrate he is both delusional and dangerous.
There appears no reason to repeat then, as you as an apparent Paul supporter chose to ignore.


45 posted on 12/15/2011 12:54:16 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: pingman

Boy, you Paultards have no clue, do you? All of you are as nuts as your cult leader and VERY dangerous. Do you honestly think Iran is disrupting the oil supply because we are in the Middle East? Or, perhaps, do they realize that by doign this they control the cost of petroleum which benefits them politically, monetarily and politically? which on makes more sense?


46 posted on 12/15/2011 1:04:51 PM PST by chilepup
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To: chilepup

My,how nasty!

Query me this, Mr. Wizard:

If Iran blocks the Straights of Hormuz, doesn’t that impede their own ability to sell their high priced oil? Kind of counter-productive, I’d say.


47 posted on 12/15/2011 1:18:45 PM PST by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: svcw
There are pages of documented evidence posted on these Paul threads that demonstrate he is both delusional and dangerous.

You know what? I wish that there were. But there aren't. There are pages of silly "RuePaul" photoshops, some nonsense about "fake eyebrows" and pages & pages of mischaracterizations & distortions of what he said when I've gone back to the original sources on them, demagoguery, and the like.

I understand that there are reasons to love or hate any candidate -- some legitimate, some just because they rub you the wrong way. But most of what I've seen here just isn't a serious analysis of the words and the ideas.

I don't think that we disagree that this country is in deep doo-doo -- economically, militarily, politically and socially. We've got to get serious. If someone has an idea worth looking at --an idea that has a history, and upside & a downside, then I don't care who brings it up. Like I said, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich or Bozo the Clown. It's about the issue, not the people.

We are in dangerous waters no matter what we choose -- war with Iran, no war with Iran -- what are the up and downsides to each? I just don't want to see us jumping into Iran like we did in Iraq and find ourselves ten years from now regretting that decision -- if the globe is still spinning by then.

48 posted on 12/15/2011 1:21:30 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: svcw

And Newt is?


49 posted on 12/15/2011 1:25:18 PM PST by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: Bokababe

Not silly pictures:


When Paul makes excuses for terrorists and their threats against Israel, when a majority of his supporters are rabid anti-Semitics, when he openly endorses (at sympathies with) OWS, disgusting anti-Semitics, there is no way to spin he is not anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/11/23/the-anti-semitism-of-ron-paul
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1709613/pg1

This is only the beginning. Do you want more evidence that he is not the cutter you think he is?
$73 million - earmarks
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,508604,00.html
Makes excuses for earmarks
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/earmark-reform/
However, he does get to say “I never vote for earmarks”. tada, he gets to say that because he loads up the earmarks in bills he know will pass.
Like this: U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium. Paul sent 41 earmark requests totaling $157,093,544 for the 2011 Fiscal Year. His largest single request was $19,500,000 for a naval training ship at the Texas Maritime Academy in Galveston, followed by a $18,126,000 to provide maintenance on the Matagorda Ship Channel. For Fiscal Year 2010, Paul requested 54 total earmarks, adding up to $398,460,640 in pork that the former presidential candidate sought to bring home to his district.


50 posted on 12/15/2011 1:27:01 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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