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Gear galore left in Iraq as last troops pull out
The Washington Times ^ | 12/15/11 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 12/16/2011 6:43:21 AM PST by Evil Slayer

If the U.S. military held a yard sale, the rummaging would look a lot like what has been going on in Iraq.

Troops are leaving a bounty of leftovers as they exit the country this month, abandoning dining-hall tables and chairs, tents, air conditioners and old vehicles.

Unlike a traditional American yard sale, the military bric-a-brac is free. The stuff likely would be dumped back home. For an Iraqi force moving into once-bustling U.S. bases, the accouterments are just the thing to make the soldier’s life a little more comfortable as he takes on the full load of fighting insurgents against the government.

The State Department, which inherits the lead U.S. role in Iraq on Jan. 1, also is accepting hand-me-downs, such as armored vehicles and surveillance electronics to protect its turf.

“We’ve gone through a very extensive review process to determine what we need to take back to the United States, what gets reconditioned, what we can afford to transfer to the State Department, or to state and local governments back in the United States, or to the Iraqi government,” said ArmyMaj. Gen. Jeffrey S. Buchanan, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq.

“It’s really the leftover things we’ve transferred to the Iraq government.”

The command estimates that it has bequeathed to the Iraqi government more than 4 million pieces of this and that, valued at $580 million. However, the military is saving more than $1 billion in shipping costs.

Here is some of what Iraq is getting when it assumes control of all U.S. bases:

• Containerized housing units, air conditioners and gym equipment.

• Generators, water and fuel tanks, cars and stoves.

• Tables, washers and dryers, portable chemical toilets; and large, portable concrete walls and barriers.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraqpullout
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1 posted on 12/16/2011 6:43:26 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

I can just imagine :(


2 posted on 12/16/2011 6:48:32 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Speaking as a former Task force S4, I was thrilled when told to leave behind equipment in Iraq. Made my life easier. Anyone who has gone through those navy customs inspections when you leave country would undoubtedly agree with me.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:29 AM PST by strider44
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To: Evil Slayer

It will cost more to pack and ship it that the items have in value. More cost effective to abandon the stuff in place.


4 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:40 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The Communist Traitor Mole In Chief is thrilled.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: strider44

Not to mention how much lost/stolen/mislaid/ gear will be able to be marked down as left behind, saving years’ worth of investigation.

It used to be that such gear would be “added” to the load of a crashed helo etc. Now it can just be marked “Left in Iraq.”


6 posted on 12/16/2011 6:54:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Past Your Eyes

paid for by the American taxpayers...half of me says leave it to ‘em and hopefully they’ll appreciate it; the other half wishes we had made everything we left nonfunctioning, irreparable, or totally destroyed (short of B52s doing their thing and dropping BIG bombs on the whole country...)

what a mess from the get-go...

my thoughts and prayers go out to all those Americans & allies who suffered injuries, and especially those who lost family & friends. Our “undeclared wars” are the worst on our national collective soul, I think.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 6:56:34 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: Evil Slayer

US to Iraq: “How ‘bout a little something, you know, for the effort?”


8 posted on 12/16/2011 6:56:52 AM PST by AT7Saluki (No cejar, no ceder)
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To: Evil Slayer

www.iraq_ebay.com


10 posted on 12/16/2011 7:00:28 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Evil Slayer

Exactly how many people are going to be left there?


11 posted on 12/16/2011 7:01:00 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: strider44
while I agree that it would be silly to ship the stuff home... you would think it would of been smart to just drive the stuff a few miles across the border into where they will be based now in Afghanistan.
12 posted on 12/16/2011 7:01:24 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Evil Slayer

Gee, I’d like one of those generators.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 7:02:30 AM PST by Fido969
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To: AT7Saluki
US to Iraq: “How ‘bout a little something, you know, for the effort?”

They did already. They burned the American Flag as we were leaving.

14 posted on 12/16/2011 7:04:41 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

Same s--t, different decade.

15 posted on 12/16/2011 7:06:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Just did a little googling....Looks like we still have a 20,000 man presence...a large paid security force and some workers. It appears to actually be a paid army totally separate from our volunteer army...

Ever had a garage sale?? Usually not worth the time...

It could go to our base in Kuwait, too.

16 posted on 12/16/2011 7:07:30 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: strider44
large, portable concrete walls and barriers

Portable??? They make it sound like you can just toss them in the back of your little Toyota PU and move on.

Hahaha.

Generators and black water tanks. Ah, the sights, sounds and smells of Iraq.

17 posted on 12/16/2011 7:08:44 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Iraq is buying 140 of the front-line M1 Abrams tanks. It also is acquiring as many as three dozen F-16 Fighting Falcon jet fighters. The United States has given Iraq rifles, pistols and Humvee multipurpose vehicles.

I guess if we have to go in there again, we will be going against some of the best military equipment this country has.

18 posted on 12/16/2011 7:09:47 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer
For an Iraqi force moving into once-bustling U.S. bases, the accouterments are just the thing to make the soldier’s life a little more comfortable as he takes on the full load of fighting insurgents...

I'll throw the BS flag. The new Arab colonel in charge will sell everything off, as personal property, within weeks. The Iraq soldiers will be sleeping on the floors without A/C within a month.

19 posted on 12/16/2011 7:12:31 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Evil Slayer

It will all be in terrorists hands within a few years. And we don’t get one drop of oil for the effort.


20 posted on 12/16/2011 7:13:29 AM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: AT7Saluki

Iraq to US: “ you will receive no payment now.”


21 posted on 12/16/2011 7:13:43 AM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Evil Slayer

Is it Vietnam yet?


22 posted on 12/16/2011 7:14:31 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Evil Slayer

Cluster-blank.


23 posted on 12/16/2011 7:15:51 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Evil Slayer

We left billions and billions behind in Vietnam after the war. Suppose to supply the South with equipment to fight. All of it fell into North Vietnam’s hands AND the Russians and Chinamen to check it all out.


24 posted on 12/16/2011 7:15:51 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: Evil Slayer
What Happens To The Dogs When Wars End?

Nearly 4000 dogs served in Vietnam and saved up to 10,000 American servicemen through their scouting and sentry duties. When withdrawing from Vietnam in 1973, the military classified the dogs as surplus equipment to be left behind during evacuation.

Many dogs were left with South Vietnamese allies who were afraid of the dogs and didn't know how to handle them. Many of the dogs were euthanized, and many more perished at the hands of their inexperienced South Vietnamese handlers. Only a handful of Vietnam war dogs made it back to the United States.

Roughly 280 War Dogs got out of Vietnam alive (via the quarantine program) and reassigned to other U.S. military installations in different parts of the world. Despite their handlers pleading requests to ship them home.

Many handlers and trainers who worked with these dogs were traumatized by having to leave their faithful companions behind, stating that the dogs saved their lives and often did more work than they did.

War Dog Memorial


25 posted on 12/16/2011 7:27:56 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Evil Slayer

we left plenty in Vietnam when we “withdrew” too- enough to allow them to fight a war with the chicoms. dejavu


26 posted on 12/16/2011 7:35:41 AM PST by RC one (Newt is the last anti-Romney firewall.)
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To: Evil Slayer

we left plenty in Vietnam when we “withdrew” too- enough to allow them to fight a war with the chicoms. dejavu


27 posted on 12/16/2011 7:35:41 AM PST by RC one (Newt is the last anti-Romney firewall.)
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To: Evil Slayer

I miss the Military Surplus stores of the 50’s. Good warm coats, jackets, socks and boots for winter... backpacks for bookbags... entrenching tools, cook kits and pup tents for camping...all at very reasonable prices.


28 posted on 12/16/2011 7:36:15 AM PST by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLC - purveyor of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords. (202) 456-1414)
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To: strider44

I’ve thru the return process, it stinks.


29 posted on 12/16/2011 7:39:06 AM PST by brivette
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To: Evil Slayer

I mention this as another possible reason for leaving stuff behind. My Fiancee’s son was seriously injured in Afghanistank (no typo) and learning to walk again in a Minneapolis hospital. When they shipped his stuff back, we were told to bag and dispose of (or burn) all clothing, and wipe everything else down completely with antibiotic wipes.

They apparently have some nasty arsed fungi over there that gets into EVERYTHING, including open wounds, making the healing process that much more of a challenge. Not sure about Iraq, bit is it much different from Afghanistank? I doubt it.


30 posted on 12/16/2011 7:42:31 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Evil Slayer
I'm sure that Iran will love adding these items to their collection, along with out most top secret and technical intelligence drones they have in their possession.
31 posted on 12/16/2011 7:43:44 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Travis McGee

I believe we recently left some prime equipment in Iran recently. The Big Cheese was pleased.


32 posted on 12/16/2011 7:46:09 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Roccus

Not sure about everywhere else, but we still have military surplus outlets in Michigan, and indeed they do sell some of the stuff you mention. A lot of the inventory is new stuff too, and I’m sure a lot of the stock is replicas rather than authentic. I assume the uniforms are real though, since much of it is used, and you can see where patches were removed.


33 posted on 12/16/2011 7:47:00 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Evil Slayer

I fear when we leave Afghanistan. All those vehicles would have to go through Pakistan to get out. I hope the military has a warehouse full of thermite grenades, to destroy this stuff when Saigon...err..Kandahar falls.


34 posted on 12/16/2011 7:49:12 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
while I agree that it would be silly to ship the stuff home... you would think it would of been smart to just drive the stuff a few miles across the border into where they will be based now in Afghanistan.

Iraq and Afghanistan don't share a border. Do you suppose Iran will allow us to convoy across their country?

35 posted on 12/16/2011 7:50:29 AM PST by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: And2TheRepublic
That was actually a little gross.

And I'm very hard to gross out.

36 posted on 12/16/2011 7:54:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (That's all.)
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To: Mich Patriot

We used to have a ton of them in NYC, but they went the way of the dodo.

I wonder how many municipalities are spending Homeland Security grants to buy generators and othe heavy equipment while we leave them in the sand box.


37 posted on 12/16/2011 7:56:31 AM PST by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLC - purveyor of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords. (202) 456-1414)
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To: whd23

wow, man I need to brush up on my geography, I thought they bordered each other. I must of been thinking of Afghanistan and Pakistan


38 posted on 12/16/2011 8:03:19 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: The_Victor

Thank you. Another voice of reason presents a simple fact that others seemed to have missed. Can you imagine the cost effectiveness of shipping a ten year old air conditioner?


39 posted on 12/16/2011 8:25:56 AM PST by pfflier
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To: dfwgator; Evil Slayer

That photo is not of US Navy folks getting rid of US Huey, but pushing a Vietnamese owned Huey overboard to make room for others that were flying out of Saigon and other places when the North Vietnamese Regular Army defeated the supply starved (courtesy of the Democrat controlled Congress) in April 1975.

Take note of the red outline of the star and bar insignia and that the inside of the bar is yellow with red stripe, thus the South Vietnamese flag.


40 posted on 12/16/2011 8:41:48 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: The_Victor
It will cost more to pack and ship it that the items have in value. More cost effective to abandon the stuff in place.

Definitely right. Anyway most of the stuff will now appear in the Iran, yes I said Iran, marketplace.

41 posted on 12/16/2011 8:45:09 AM PST by Logical me
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Which road do you want the troops to drive to Afghanistan? You obviously did not take geography in school?


42 posted on 12/16/2011 8:59:33 AM PST by luckybogey
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To: Travis McGee

Exactly. No FLIPLs. Or the answer to every FLIPL. Sorry, we left that in the FOB.

For those non-military softies: FLIPL = Financial Liability Investigations of Property Loss


43 posted on 12/16/2011 9:06:21 AM PST by strider44
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To: GreyFriar

Yes. And what the pic doesn’t show is, there were scores more of them hovering overhead or on their way, often packed to the gills with VNAF personnel getting the hell out of Dodge with friends and family.

Loads of ‘em overhead, fuel getting lower every minute...not a lot of choice in the matter. Land ‘em, unload, shove ‘em over, repeat step 1.


44 posted on 12/16/2011 9:06:21 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Evil Slayer

“Unlike a traditional American yard sale, the military bric-a-brac is free.”

Uh... no.. no, it’s not “free.”

Actually, it’s all been paid for, at retail prices, by the US Government’s own personal Cash Cow, the American Taxpayer.

But, let’s not quibble - after all, Uncle Sugar always knows how to spend our hard-earned money far better than we do, ourselves.

Or, at least, that’s the current, Marxist doctrine.


45 posted on 12/16/2011 9:10:22 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: sassy steel magnolia

Like they said, it isn’t cost effective to move a lot of it. Do we really need to move concrete walls and old desks and tables?


46 posted on 12/16/2011 9:10:50 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Roccus

Yup I remember those stores with fondness.

Today they just sell cheap reproduction crap.


47 posted on 12/16/2011 9:22:35 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Roccus

The South Koreans wanted to offer M-1s and M-1 carbines to American civilians. The 0bammunist admin. blocked that, for the same reason they pursued Fast & Furious: They want Americans to be disarmed and unable to resist the coming Soviet regime.


48 posted on 12/16/2011 9:24:10 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Evil Slayer
Science Fiction writer H. Beam Piper had a book, Junkyard Planet, about a remote planet that, decades after after it had been the major staging area in an intergalactic war, was still living off surplus military property. Everyone drove abandoned military vehicles, and wore insignia-less uniforms, or clothing made from military sheets, or hospital curtains.
49 posted on 12/16/2011 2:35:05 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: strider44
the answer to every FLIPL. Sorry, we left that in the FOB.

Certainly more plausible than reporting air conditioners and concrete barriers as "eaten by termites."

50 posted on 12/16/2011 2:39:28 PM PST by Pilsner
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