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Newt Gingrich: Being gay is a choice for some
CBS News ^ | December 15, 2011 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 12/16/2011 5:51:42 PM PST by Kazan

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich suggested Thursday that being gay is a choice. At least for some people.

Asked if people can choose to be gay, Gingrich told the Des Moines Register editorial board that he does not "believe in genetic determinism, and I don't think there is any great evidence of genetic determinism."

He said that certain people may choose to be gay if they have certain genetic traits and are raised in a certain environment.

"I think people have a significant range of choice within a genetic pattern," he said. "I believe it's a combination of genetics and environment. I think that both are involved. I think people have many ranges of choices."

Gingrich's appears to be saying people can choose to be gay if they have certain "propensities" and genetic and environmental characteristics. Asked if people can choose to be straight, he responded, "Look, people choose to be celibate."

"People choose many things in life," he said. "You know, there is a bias in favor of non-celibacy. It's part of how the species recreates. And yet there is a substantial amount of people who choose celibacy either out of religious vocation or for other reasons."

Earlier in the interview, Gingrich was asked if he saw a correlation between the civil rights and gay rights movements. He called the parallel "ludicrous" and "offensive," saying no one is trying to segregate gay Americans. The former House speaker added that his position reflects "a 3,000 year tradition that is very deep in our culture for very profound reasons."

"I think there's an enormous difference between an inescapable fact of race...and a question about culture," he said. "A question about 'what are your values?' I think marriage is between a man and a woman. That's a value proposition."

"There's a big difference between saying that you are going to have an acceptance of people's lifestyle and saying you now are going to normalize that as the standard for the whole country," he continued, before reiterating his support for reinstating the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

Gingrich, whose half-sister Candace Gingrich-Jones is gay, earlier this week said he supported sending a constitutional amendment barring same-sex marriage to the states.


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KEYWORDS: aids; anal; gaychoices; gingrich; homosexualagenda; newt; oral
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Between Newt, Romney and Ron Paul, Newt is the only one that can't be counted on to reinstated DADT and to stand up to the onslaught of homosexual activism that endangers a whole host of freedoms.
1 posted on 12/16/2011 5:51:44 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

None of the three you mention should be counted on for anything.

Newt is correct though, I see nothing ‘controversial’ about the statement.

Behavior is a choice.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 5:56:37 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kazan

Did you not read the article?

... he continued, before reiterating his support for reinstating the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 5:56:48 PM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Kazan

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/30/michele-bachmann-debates-same-sex-rights-with-high-school-students-in-waverly/


4 posted on 12/16/2011 5:57:56 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Kazan

Your response does not make much sense gramatically. Also, Newt seemed to ba saying in the article you link that he is not pro-gay.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 5:59:08 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Kazan

Rosie O’Donnel had no choice.


6 posted on 12/16/2011 5:59:39 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Kazan

“I think people have a significant range of choice within a genetic pattern,” he said. “I believe it’s a combination of genetics and environment. I think that both are involved. I think people have many ranges of choices.”

Newt is riding the fence on this one.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 6:00:30 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his own Internet domain name, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Rosie O’Donnel had no choice.

There was always Michael Moore or Kos.

8 posted on 12/16/2011 6:01:06 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Kazan

What does sexual persuasion have to do with government, many heterosexual and homosexual folks work for the government. Find a good American who loves this country; who understands and believes in the Constitution and following and enforcing our laws, freedom and personal responsibility who has gravitas and spine...think seriously about voting for such an American....we sure don’t have one now!


9 posted on 12/16/2011 6:01:28 PM PST by yoe
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To: Kazan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA


10 posted on 12/16/2011 6:01:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kazan

Homosexuality is defined by one’s behavior. It’s not an inherited characteristic like skin, hair or eye color.


11 posted on 12/16/2011 6:02:02 PM PST by pf flyers
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To: Kazan

Obviously, I meant to say Newt is the only one that CAN be counted on to reinstated DADT and oppose the homosexual agenda.


12 posted on 12/16/2011 6:02:37 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan

As a person who is a friend of a married couple with a former gay and lesbian as a member, Newt is right.

Sexuality and the many variations of its applicable fetishes are learned behavior.


13 posted on 12/16/2011 6:06:57 PM PST by struggle
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To: trumandogz
Yeah I'd say so.

Gingrich told the Des Moines Register editorial board that he does not "believe in genetic determinism, and I don't think there is any great evidence of genetic determinism."

He said that certain people may choose to be gay if they have certain genetic traits and are raised in a certain environment.

14 posted on 12/16/2011 6:07:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Kazan

No he isn’t the only one. Santorum and Bachmann could also be counted on.


15 posted on 12/16/2011 6:07:45 PM PST by dforest
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To: Kazan

newt tripped over his mouth again.


16 posted on 12/16/2011 6:10:52 PM PST by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Kazan

Newt’s a funny-looking guy, but he’s a wise man, with knowledge to back his wisdom.


17 posted on 12/16/2011 6:15:35 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Kazan

I knew you had to mean CAN. Just looking at the other two choices, I figured you would be back to correct.


18 posted on 12/16/2011 6:16:14 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: struggle

Nope!


19 posted on 12/16/2011 6:21:26 PM PST by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: Bulwinkle
Why is it not a 'choice' for some. And why wouldn't it be; moreso today; given the 'choices' kids are taught/exposed to from 5th/6th grade and up? He is not saying it is a 'choice' for all Gays. . .'just some' whereby they act out/experiment with 'Gay behavior' - and later, take it - or leave it.

Not like he does not have a 'committed sister' and is immune to other genetic scenarios here.

20 posted on 12/16/2011 6:24:03 PM PST by cricket (/get the 'Occupier' out of our White House!/ and Newt 'in'. . .and it is NOT just the economy!)
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To: Kazan

Look at their accomplishments. Newt allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Revolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.

Romney, on the other hand, vehemently denied Ronald Reagan and aligned himself with Ted Kennedy and the left. Romney accomplished installing liberal big government programs, defended and promoted Roe v Wade and legalized abortion as “settled law,” advocated and implemented RomneyCare with its liberty killing government mandates against formerly free citizens and its taxpayer funded or subsidized and mandated abortion procedures. He ran and governed to the left of Ted Kennedy on the “gay agenda” resulting in gay marriage in Massachusetts. He appointed liberal judges and liberal appointees throughout his government. Under his “leadership” conservatism and the Republican party was all but destroyed in Massachusetts.

Romney is one evil liberal progressive. No way in hell will MittBots be allowed to support this abortionist, big government, socialist scumbag on FR!

Guess my message isn’t clear enough. I have to keep repeating it and zotting would be MittBots.

79 posted on Sat Dec 03 2011 19:59:37 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by Jim Robinson


21 posted on 12/16/2011 6:25:40 PM PST by narses
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To: Kazan

He’s right. People can be talked into anything.


22 posted on 12/16/2011 6:27:18 PM PST by rbg81
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To: pf flyers

Yes. Behavior is malleable. One’s genetic code is not.

In other words, one can adapt behavior. One can decide not to do something anymore. One can’t stop being black, or green-eyed, or being the physical height they are.

And personally we are not just talking about behavior that is on the same level as having a cup of coffee in the morning or not. It is extremely high risk behavior. It is dangerous behavior. It is medically dangeros behavior. It is still behavior regarded my the large majority of people to be personally offensive and repulsive behavior.

It is not just the same as what car to drive, or what school to go to, or what shoes to wear. It is not neutral behavior. It is very negative behavior.


23 posted on 12/16/2011 6:27:59 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Kazan

There is a spectrum of inclination. On one end is the 100% straight who has absolutely no interest in same sex relationships. On the other end is the 100% homosexual who has no interest in the opposite sex. In the middle are various degrees of bisexuality, where the person can go either way, and can choose to go one way exclusively.


24 posted on 12/16/2011 6:31:40 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Kazan

DADT was a Clinton invention, and you’re asking us to return. Like frogs in boiling water, we don’t realize how long and how far the erosion of values has taken place in our midst. Do you know what the policy was *before* DADT?

That said, the whole thing is a distraction from what the miltary is about.


25 posted on 12/16/2011 6:32:28 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: Kazan

Certainly *some* may be predisposed to influence to such behavior, though many would not be. Analogously I can’t imagine being convinced through any amount of marketing or coercion that I like, for example, blutwurst when I actually do not, nor can I imagine being convinced or coerced into not liking, say, fish tacos, while I actually do.


26 posted on 12/16/2011 6:32:38 PM PST by posterchild (I'm old enough to remember when journalists bothered to look things up on wikipedia.)
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To: Kazan

Oh, and the cube car market is a sure sign of gay as a choice.


27 posted on 12/16/2011 6:34:20 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Being gay is a choice.
(At least when the word meant “happy!”)

I love seeing Old English poetry that uses the word.

Or in more modern times,
“Why do birds sing so gay?”
from “Why do Fools Fall in Love.”

Alas, which candidate to fall in love with?
Like some of my best friends say, “Gaily forward!”


28 posted on 12/16/2011 6:38:09 PM PST by QuestingElf
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To: QuestingElf

My grandmother used to use the word “Peculiar” when describing a gay person.


29 posted on 12/16/2011 6:40:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: rbg81

My guess is that most gays began as victims and they get messed up in many ways. It simply doesn’t compute.


30 posted on 12/16/2011 6:40:41 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Kazan

“Obviously, I meant to say Newt is the only one that CAN be counted on to reinstated DADT and oppose the homosexual agenda.”

Then review before posting please. This is IMPORTANT stuff to most of us...and you had my head spinning. I certainly support Newt over the remainder of the field, and this makes it that much stronger.

...so thanks for posting this article.


31 posted on 12/16/2011 6:41:51 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Kazan

That’s all you got? the left continues to attempt to paint newt as a thug. HA Newt continues to expose the Left in nano seconds.

Propaganda Vs Brain....

Brain always wins


32 posted on 12/16/2011 6:43:08 PM PST by show
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To: GeronL

why do they spend so much time on 4% of the population?


33 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:26 PM PST by Selmore (Except for ending Slavery, Facism, Communism, and Nazism, War never has accomplished anything)
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To: Sacajaweau

I once saw this list of famous gays.

Some that come to mind were
Alexander the Great
Alexander Hamilton
Peter Tschaikovsky
(and many more)

I seem to recall this was making the rounds when either San Francisco (San Fransicko to Michael Savage fans) or the great state of California passed a law to include orientation in history classes. It was something along the lines of making students aware that some of society’s greatest contributions came from gays.


34 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:27 PM PST by QuestingElf
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To: Bulwinkle

OK, folks. Here is the way it is:

Newt is correct. There is no evidence that homosexuality is mostly genetic, nor has anyone really worked out the environmental determinants. It is also true that many (probably most) gays do not chose their predilection, as if selecting from a menu of available “orientations.”

Any alert observer soon begins to agree with Freud that male homosexuality is a condition of arrested development. This explains the interest in the same sex, the childish behavior, and even the “effeminate“ manners of speech and gestures. Why some people exhibit this arrested development of the personality, we still cannot say.

There also is evidence that female homosexuality may have different origins: hormonal imbalance (an organic cause), and childhood sexual abuse (an environmental cause). It may be a quite different thing from the male counterpart. If that is true, it is a fallacy to lump the conditions together.

So we really do not know the details of what causes homosexuality. People make a big thing over the issue, because they suppose that if one had no choice, then one can’t be blamed. In the absence of any clear knowledge of the origins of homosexuality, what are we to think of it?

Well, it should not make any difference. We should never be intentionally, gratuitously cruel to anyone. But we can, as clear-sighted individuals, at least recognize the distinction, and see that we are dealing here with a disorder. It is not normal, and is certainly not the norm; and has only been accepted in obscure or decaying cultures. And we should be free to say that plain fact without being locked up or fired for “homophobia.”

Some homosexuals wish to have their condition treated as normal, or even privileged. That is wishful thinking, another evidence of a childish attitude associated with the “gay” mind. It is nonsense, and homosexuals should know that most people regard their condition as abnormal. Then they should go lead their lives as best they can. They still have choices. They can keep their abnormal lives private, or they can be “flamers.”

I have a friend who suffers from a very serious disease. Compared to what he has, the average homosexual should have no complaints. Homosexuals should stop whining, and everyone would be much better off.


35 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:42 PM PST by docbnj
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To: Reagan69

“Did you not read the article? ... he continued, before reiterating his support for reinstating the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.”

Kazan joined this board in August and hasn’t learned to read yet or is in the wrong forum.


36 posted on 12/16/2011 6:53:30 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: cricket

Newt was try to gently straddle the fence...Ouch! you know where you land when you straddle a fence????!!!!

“I think people have a significant range of choice within a genetic pattern,” he said. “I believe it’s a combination of genetics and environment. I think that both are involved. I think people have many ranges of choices.”


37 posted on 12/16/2011 6:54:28 PM PST by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Kazan

I do NOT like Newt saying that there is choice within a GENETIC framework. That is the Left’s contention that gays are “born this way”, and is at odds with the malleable sexuality of humans. There are ATTRACTIONS of all kinds. But not all urges must be succumbed to,


38 posted on 12/16/2011 6:54:30 PM PST by montag813
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To: docbnj

Thanks for using the term homosexual instead of GAY


39 posted on 12/16/2011 6:55:18 PM PST by uncbob
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To: QuestingElf
Doesn't make it a good thing.

Chicken shit is great fertilizer, too. But I don't want it in my yard.

40 posted on 12/16/2011 6:57:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: trumandogz

“Newt is riding the fence on this one.”

No, he isn’t. There is no evidence one way or the other concerning why people are gay. There are opinions galore, but no evidence.

I had gay patients in my counseling practice and some were satisfied with their state and some were not. It was not my business to push them one way or another, rather it was to help them come to a resolution with which they were satisfied and could lead a successful life.


41 posted on 12/16/2011 7:03:05 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: montag813

If homosexuals are “born this way”, couldn’t pedophilia use this same irrational excuse; or are homosexuals ‘pedophobic’?


42 posted on 12/16/2011 7:03:19 PM PST by goron (communism)
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To: docbnj

Excellent post; if they’d stop shoving their abnormality in our face, there wouldn’t be a ‘problem’ with society. They know they’re abnormal and continue to demand ‘we’ don’t think that of them also.


43 posted on 12/16/2011 7:03:58 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Kazan
"Look, people choose to be celibate."

Just not Newt.

44 posted on 12/16/2011 7:05:43 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kazan
"...I meant to say Newt is the only one that CAN be counted on to reinstated DADT and oppose the homosexual agenda."

Not very familiar with Santorum, are you?

45 posted on 12/16/2011 7:08:09 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Selmore

4%? They wish. Probably closer to 1%


46 posted on 12/16/2011 7:13:13 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Bulwinkle
“I think people have a significant range of choice within a genetic pattern,” he said. “I believe it’s a combination of genetics and environment. I think that both are involved. I think people have many ranges of choices.”

What specifically are we to disagree with?

47 posted on 12/16/2011 7:13:38 PM PST by cricket (/get the 'Occupier' out of our White House!/ and Newt 'in'. . .and it is NOT just the economy!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Look, people choose to be celibate.”
“Just not Newt.”

And, probably you are not celibate, either. Neither is Bachmann/Romney/Santorum/Paul/Perry/etc.. Now, do we want to count the times they were not celibate? I think Santorum has the most kids - maybe you have more than he does?

This is ridiculous.


48 posted on 12/16/2011 7:15:01 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Marcella
"This is ridiculous."

I agree with you. Newt Gingrich discussing exercising the restraint of one's sexual proclivities is beyond ridiculous.

49 posted on 12/16/2011 7:20:19 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“I agree with you. Newt Gingrich discussing exercising the restraint of one’s sexual proclivities is beyond ridiculous.”

Newt was asked the question about gays and he answered the question. Since he has a half sister who is gay, that’s likely why he was asked that question, due to the half sister stating she would not support him for president because he did not go along with her gay agenda.

If it bothers you Newt doesn’t go along with the gay agenda, you can vote for Romney as he does.


50 posted on 12/16/2011 7:27:39 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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