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The Company Ron Paul Keeps
The Weekly Standard ^ | Dec 26, 2011 | James Kirchick

Posted on 12/17/2011 12:53:38 PM PST by Proud2BeRight

"The Republican Jewish Coalition announced this month that congressman Ron Paul would not be among the six guests invited to participate in its Republican Presidential Candidates Forum"........ "While Paul’s views on Israel certainly place him outside the American, never mind Republican, mainstream, there is an even more elementary reason the RJC was right to exclude him from its event. It is Paul’s lucrative and decades-long promotion of bigotry and conspiracy theories, for which he has yet to account fully, and his continuing espousal of extremist views, that should make him unwelcome at any respectable forum, not only those hosted by Jewish organizations. "

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1 posted on 12/17/2011 12:53:44 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

FYI, The full title is “The Company Ron Paul Keeps
Meet Alex Jones.”


2 posted on 12/17/2011 12:57:00 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight
and his continuing espousal of extremist views, that should make him unwelcome at any respectable forum, not only those hosted by Jewish organizations

Hard to admit it, but 0bama the marxist is a better choice than Ron Paul.

We can get over 0bama with a conservative House and Senate.

Ron Paul is dangerous.

3 posted on 12/17/2011 12:59:19 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Proud2BeRight

While I’m no Ron Paulinista, I think it is a mistake and petty for the Republican Jewish Coalition not to invite him to the forum. His point of view has every bit as much right to be heard as anyone else’s particularly when his views are shared by many Americans of different political bents.


4 posted on 12/17/2011 1:14:26 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat

“Right”?

I don’t think so.

He can share his “views” on his own dime.


5 posted on 12/17/2011 1:20:36 PM PST by DB
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To: Proud2BeRight
The people that dislike or call Ron Paul crazy don't understand the evils of the Federal reserve. Ron Paul has been consistent in his message and is probably the only candidate that can save this country from spending itself into oblivion.

Alex Jones talks about some crazy stuff but one world order and loss of our sovereignty is a reasonable concern. Especially when people like Hillary Clinton are trying to be president of a World Bank.

6 posted on 12/17/2011 1:28:58 PM PST by pterional
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To: FatherofFive
What is dangerous....is your tag line. As a Catholic I beleive in the Lord Jesus Christ. But to eradicate a religion? Where do you get your information? The MSM?.....and yes, Fox News is MSM too. Someday.....and probably soon we will not be the “big boys on the block” in the world. Then what? What if China or Russia wants to eradicate us? Or spread communism at the point of a gun or a fleet of drones? Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. Just like our founding fathers. This forum has brilliant and good people. However, lately I have found less tolerance of other views within the conservative movement. A lot of the “kook" comments regarding Ron Paul is straight up ignorance. The arrogance of our foreign policy is going to ruin our country. Here is a fact ignored here on FR....Ron Paul receives more donations from active duty military than all other GOP candidates combined.. Why....because they agree with his foreign policy. Still “support the troops”?
7 posted on 12/17/2011 1:28:58 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Riodacat

I think you’re wrong.


8 posted on 12/17/2011 1:29:15 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: DB

“He can share his “views” on his own dime.”

Since Paul seems to like the conspiracy show, Alex Jones would probably welcome him back again to share his crackpot views.


9 posted on 12/17/2011 1:33:31 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: pterional

Ron Paul is nuts. Listen to Levin on him . America is to blame first , he thinks the Muslims hate us because WE BOMB THEM ! He has no basic understanding of the Islamic threat to the western world and no REAL clue as to it’s causes. Forget him .


10 posted on 12/17/2011 1:36:35 PM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: pterional

Ron Paul is nuts. Listen to Levin on him . America is to blame first , he thinks the Muslims hate us because WE BOMB THEM ! He has no basic understanding of the Islamic threat to the western world and no REAL clue as to it’s causes. Forget him .


11 posted on 12/17/2011 1:36:39 PM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: pterional

Yes....Ron Paul is the only candidate that wants to change the system. He is the only candidate that I will support for president. Because....our country has been in decline for a long time and I am done with the same BS. To all here on FR......like the status quo? Is our country better or worse than when you grew up or since 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created? The founding fathers warned of a central bank. And to those who hate Alex Jones...ever listen to him?.....or are you just following the crowd? Do you trust the govt or MSM propaganda? And not snippets to demonize, like the MSM does daily. Find out for yourself...and really listen. You might be surprised.


13 posted on 12/17/2011 1:37:46 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Absolutely pure campaign treasuries are BROKE campaign treasuries..
America is not so pure.. but a bit corrupt.. even more corrupt in some places..

Thats why we have the exact federal government we deserve..


14 posted on 12/17/2011 1:38:20 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: pterional

Have you been reading the articles about the Ron Paul newsetters the past couple days, including the article reference here? You don’t think the newsletters confirm the comments that he is “crazy”? You don’t think comments like the one a week or so ago about “gree” in the Bush administration following 9/11 is not nuts?


15 posted on 12/17/2011 1:39:20 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Clara Lou
I think you’re wrong.

And that's what it's all about.
The RJC could allow him to speak and then disagree with his opinion. To deny him his right to express his opinion will only give his views far greater reach on the 24hr cable news networks.
Suppressing his views will have the opposite effect.
Just watch.

16 posted on 12/17/2011 1:39:36 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: pacman50

So do you agree with the Ron Paul newsletters? Do you believe someone who puts his name to such vile crap is presidential material?


17 posted on 12/17/2011 1:42:52 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: bigdirty

Hey big dirty.....like war? Grab a gun and go. Sounds like you are a tough guy. You must love Obama. He is more of a war preseident than George Bush. The neo nazi thing is false flag BS. Falling for the same ole tricks of the sheeple of our country. Support the troops? Because Ron Paul gets more donations from active duty military than all of the other candidates combined. Ask any military member that has come home from the ME. They don’t want to be there! Ask them. It’s all BS for nothing.


18 posted on 12/17/2011 1:43:04 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50
But to eradicate a religion?

I too am Catholic. I believe you are ignorant about Islam. It is way of government disguised as a religion. Go try to preach the Word of Christ in Saudi Arabia. Try to take a Bible into Saudi Arabia, or build a church. Islam means submission.

Read Inside Islam: A guide for Catholics 100 Questions and answers, with a forward by Fr. Mitch Pacwa, S.J.

Islamist terrorists are simply following their holy books. And no, the MSM will never tell the truth about Islam. They stil consider it "A religion of Peace"

Read the Koran. Read the Hadith. It is a cult of death. here's a start.

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

The Koran and hadiths are replete with examples of Muhammad's barbaric behavior. Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an Start at the bottom.

19 posted on 12/17/2011 1:43:42 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Proud2BeRight

That magically appears now......c’mon stop being a sheep. Ron Paul is the only consistent politician. All of the others change their views to fool people like you.


20 posted on 12/17/2011 1:45:01 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Riodacat
just because a person can do something, should he/she be doing it?
And I disagree with you again. Paul has no "right" to express his opinion on RJC's dime or anyone else's.
21 posted on 12/17/2011 1:45:23 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: pacman50

Those newsletters appeared a long time ago and over multiple campaigns. I’ve known about them for four years. The Paul cult simply wants to ignore them. It is no different than the Obamabots ignoring William Ayers because it happened a while back. Their content has not changed and they exist.

I will repeat my question to you: “So do you agree with the Ron Paul newsletters? Do you believe someone who puts his name to such vile crap is presidential material?”


22 posted on 12/17/2011 1:50:59 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: pacman50
What if China or Russia wants to eradicate us? Or spread communism at the point of a gun or a fleet of drones?

We had the Crusades to prevent the conquest of Islam. Charles "The Hammer" Martel defeated the Muslims who had planned on conquering France, at the battle of Tours. Reagan won the Cold War to prevent the spread of Communism. Have you forgotten history? Freedom is always under attack by totalitarians, be they Communists or Islamists.

23 posted on 12/17/2011 1:53:30 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Have any muslim friends that you can actually talk to? I do. You are playing into the divide and conquer BS. Do you like or support the founding fathers? They had a non-interventionist philosophy. Live and let live. Does our Lord Jesus Christ say that we should eradicate a religion? Nope......it is for our God to decide on Judgement Day. And I choose not to go to hostile places in the world. Just like we should not be in the Middle East. Ask our military members. They say the same. Again....”support the troops”?


24 posted on 12/17/2011 1:55:26 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Again...not true. There is your answer.


25 posted on 12/17/2011 1:57:35 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: FatherofFive

Wow.....I guess you don’t support our founding fathers. If I remember history correct...our country was founded after the crusades. Our founding fathers learned from history. That’s cool. Hey...you love war. I guess you will be voting for Obama and his war team. They love war too and meddling in other countries.


26 posted on 12/17/2011 2:04:33 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50
Have any muslim friends that you can actually talk to? I do.

Good. Ask them about the passages from their Holy Books. Ask them what it means. Read the book I cited. Read Robert Spencer's website.

Educate yourself about the evil of Islam, and then have the dialogue with your muslim friends.

You might be able to convert them to Christianity.

Although in their religion, that carries the death penalty.

27 posted on 12/17/2011 2:04:39 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: pacman50
I, too, find myself surprised that the party of peace and prosperity, the Republicans, have become such war mongers.

I had originally favored Bachmann but she too has joined the "Iran must be bombed" brigade.

Personally, I will not be overly worried about Iran until I see Iranians on camel-back swimming into an American harbor.

I favor "Rattle Snake" diplomacy as represented on the Gadsden flag. Be friends with everyone until they mess with you and then practice nation-eradication, not nation-building.

28 posted on 12/17/2011 2:05:30 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Rights begin where power ends!)
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To: pacman50
Wow.....I guess you don’t support our founding fathers. If I remember history correct...our country was founded after the crusades. Our founding fathers learned from history. That’s cool. Hey...you love war.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The founding Fathers would have fought Islamists trying to take over our country, and convert them to Islam.

I hate war. But I know freedom isn't free.

29 posted on 12/17/2011 2:08:39 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Proud2BeRight
Ron Paul is right for the wrong reasons.

Iran is not nowhere near as dangerous as God is. God's enemies: secular humanism and islam are on a collision course. Whenever we go to war against Iran it will be God's wrath upon us. No amount of clever diplomacy or brute force can protect us from God. 9/11 shows us that it will not take a superpower to bring us to our knees. We can crumble from within and without like Rome.

30 posted on 12/17/2011 2:12:24 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Good to hear from you my friend. I believe that we should only go to war....but absolutely as the last resort. And it must be declared by the US Congress as spelled out in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution. Exactly as Ron Paul has stated.

The recent power grabs by the president and congress are scary. Everyone on FR will be sick when americans start getting snatched up for “radical views”.

Remember all.....the democratic congress members have call the GOP radicals quite a few times. Dangerous language that could someday be taken to the extreme. And that day might be sooner than we all think.


31 posted on 12/17/2011 2:15:55 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50
Our founding fathers learned from history.

The First Barbary War was fought against the Muslim States from 1801–1805. “The shores of Tripoli.” This a mere 14 years after the founding of this country. Yeah, we have avoided war from the very beginning.

32 posted on 12/17/2011 2:17:22 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: pacman50
Ask our military members.

I don't know if you are actually quoting "military people" or just repeating someone else's line, but I happen to work in an Air Force organization where our guys have been deployed to the ME and not one of them says they support Ron Paul or that we should not be in the ME.

33 posted on 12/17/2011 2:17:56 PM PST by saminfl
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To: Riodacat

I’m sorry about that crazy excerpt. But my reply is what I intended. [Can’t figure out how that happened.]


34 posted on 12/17/2011 2:18:00 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: FatherofFive

Who is taking over our country? You need to read the bible more and trust in Jesus. if you are indeed a Catholic....follow Jesus. I am not espousing to be better. I am very far from that.....and I am trying to get back on track. But as a Catholic and believer in Jesus....I know that he preaches peace and he is the one to give out punishment.


35 posted on 12/17/2011 2:20:23 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50

“Again...not true. There is your answer.”

Really? What is “not true”?

That the subject has been around?

Lets look back four years:
1/8/2008 The New Republic - “Angry White Man, The bigoted past of Ron Paul.”
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca&k=15257

Now, lets step back 15 years:
11/1/1996 Austin Chronicle “Paul-itically Incorrect,
Ron Paul’s Wacky Views Highlight a Bitter Race”

Or do you say that there are no newsletters?
A few from over two decades of their being published and in .PDF form:
http://www.tnr.com/print/article/politics/ron-paul-newsletter

Now would you like to answer my questions?


36 posted on 12/17/2011 2:22:19 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: saminfl

Keep asking. I know a ton of Marines and US Army members ( and at least (10 SF dudes) that say otherwise. Do you really think that we are spreading “hope and democracy”? Do you think spreading judeo christian values of the United States will last after we leave the ME? Or should we stay there for decades like we did in Japan or Germany?


37 posted on 12/17/2011 2:25:15 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Again BS...just like the CBS hit piece on G. Bush during his campaign. Again... designed for people like you.


38 posted on 12/17/2011 2:28:50 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pacman50
Who is taking over our country?

Right now, the Marxists.

But you are jumping all over the place and I do not know your point.

You started by questioning my tag line. I gave you much to read to counter your naive beliefs. You cannot remain ignorant about the threat of Islam.

Christ commanded you to "go and make disciples of all nations" Just try that in a muslim country.

39 posted on 12/17/2011 2:33:57 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Proud2BeRight
Personally I don't believe the 9/11 truth-er crap and I don't care about old newsletters but I do believe that the Iraq and Afghanistan war effort was a colossal failure. We lost American lives and spent 1 trillion tax payer dollars for what?? We didn't even get any oil. We have destabilized the whole region and have made it easier for Iran and radical Islam to take over. Even the Chinese have gotten more because they have acquired the mineral mining contracts out of Afghanistan. The Bush and Obama foreign policy have caused more damage than can be repaired. Ron Paul has been consistent and is the only candidate that can save this country from financial ruin.
40 posted on 12/17/2011 2:35:19 PM PST by pterional
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To: pacman50

I’m surprised you didn’t join the “occupy” crowd. Oh, my mistake, Maybe you did.


41 posted on 12/17/2011 2:42:16 PM PST by Jukeman
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To: pacman50

OK, now I know how Ron Paul holds onto his cult.


42 posted on 12/17/2011 2:48:02 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: FatherofFive

It was good debating with you. You are probably a very good person. But it is a sad day when someone who believes in Jesus Christ wants to eradicate another religion. You should get to know some people from different religions. The radicals on ALL sides are idiots and distort their religion. You should read the bible more as a Catholic and stop hating other religions.

And finally.......the military industrial complex wants an enemy to fight for profit and power. You should listen to what President Dwight Eisenhower stated during his final speech as President on January 17, 1961. You are falling for the propaganda of the globalists that want to destroy our beauitfully designed country.

Look what war has brought us. We have lost so many wonderful american citizens. We are bankrupt and our military is spread over 900 plus bases around the world.

We don’t even protect our own borders. Does that make sense that our presidents send our troops to protect other countries and spend billions of dollars while leaving our border wide open? C’mon....open your eyes. Our presidents are not stupid. This is intentional. How can it not be? Presidents and members of congress from both parties have done the same.

As a country we are headed for disaster. I hope you are prepared my friend. Again....is our country better now than it was when our grandparents were around.....or since 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created?

We are following the playbook of Rome. And we all know what happened.


43 posted on 12/17/2011 2:56:27 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Jukeman

Jukeman- I am against violent protest and have never been involved in any public protest. However I do enjoy voicing my first amendment rights for my distain for corruption. You ever risked your life for the defense of the Constitution or someone else’s freedom? I have for the last 20 years.


44 posted on 12/17/2011 3:00:56 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: Riodacat

Ron Paul has the right to speak his views, but that doesn’t obligate any private organization to pay for his microphone.


45 posted on 12/17/2011 3:06:51 PM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: Proud2BeRight

“Proud2beRight”.....yep....your are right. All of the time. Keep following the status quo. Our country is in horrible shape for that exact reason. You are right; war is good, our country is better than it ever was, the govt has integrity, 16 trillion is debt is good and the founding fathers are bad.

Now.... I know why the sheeple of this country keep voting the same idiots into office and our country is in decline.


46 posted on 12/17/2011 3:09:34 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: tkas

I support Ron Paul....but I agree with your statement 100%.


47 posted on 12/17/2011 3:10:25 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: pterional
Ron Paul has been consistent in his message

But he's wacked in so many other ways.

and is probably the only candidate that can save this country from spending itself into oblivion.

And take us to oblivion in a dozen other ways.

Love Libertarian views on small government, but Paul is just not the one to have carry that flag.

48 posted on 12/17/2011 3:40:16 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: sonic109

Hey Sonic109-

If another country was bombing us....and I’m talking another nation’s armed forces....would you be happy?


49 posted on 12/17/2011 3:40:36 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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To: sonic109

Hey Sonic109-

If another country was bombing us....and I’m talking another nation’s armed forces....would you be happy?


50 posted on 12/17/2011 3:40:47 PM PST by pacman50 (2nd Amendment=Freedom)
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