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Posted on 12/17/2011 2:38:52 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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God or the state?
I don’t know. Many FREEPERS were cheerleading the fact that the students disobeyed the authority. We will see if they change their mind now that Tebow has told the students to obey. I thought it was stupid for the students to do this in the hallway while other students were trying to get to class and of course of blasted for it. I wonder how many apologies I will get for being RIGHT?
Bu, but, it’s Mitt’s turn, darn it!!
One of my three wishes would be to see the Christian majority in America pull ALL of its children out of the government schools, permanently, on a single day.
There is a time to Tebow, and a time to refrain from Tebowing — His Timness
I’d have some sharp words for those school supervisors if they were just making it up about the students blocking the halls, but still I’d ask students to respect them while the duly established processes of law move on. It’s all too easy for them to chicken out before the ACLU.
Because, as EVERYONE knows. All public schools in every town and all each and every public school teacher are instruments of the DEVIL!
God or the state?
Good question. Render unto Caesar, and all that.
I think that the trick is knowing which authority belongs to Caesar, and which do not.
Paying taxes? Caesar. Raising children? That isn't Caesar's job. It's our own job. God said so. Too many of us give it to Caesar, though, and stupidly expect a good outcome.
Perhaps these sorts of things are God's way of telling us to listen to His authority on such matters.
Caesar has dumbed down the expression of Christian faith. In the meanwhile, Islam takes little hit at all and sometimes a boost!
Nice lesson, Tim.
Tell the kids that they should always obey their government masters.
The parents of some are fortunate enough to be able to choose different schoolmasters — but not all. Something a little more nuanced about respecting parents and rule of law would be grokkable by students at that level.
And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." Luk 20:25
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. Romans 13:1-2
To my thinking, the public schools are beyond the point of wanting to try to figure out which ones to save.
Pretty much, yes.
Public schools are instruments of the government. They are there to further the government's needs, not the needs of your child.
Your child does not matter, when it comes down to doing what is right and money. Or doing what is right and test scores. Or doing what is right, and attendance. Or a million other things.
Insofar as you had your child, and you are responsible for your child, and want what is best for your child, then yes; all public schools, are evil.
Why would you send your most precious gift to a place that sees your child as a number, a sack of cash, and a body? Your child will not get the help he needs if the federal government doesn't see it as cost effective. Your child will not get moved ahead or held back, even if he needs it; or if he harms the testing results the government says they need to have. Your child is a number. Your child is a file. Your child is data to be input.
With the national standards schools operate under, individual doesn't matter. And yes; that makes the system evil.
And as Yashua said “Render unto Caesar ......”
You’re taking it waaay out of context.
From I read, it seems the students did it on the hallways, and not necessarily to pray like Tebow does. I’m Christian, but I don’t want people blocking my hallway, and even worse, pretending to pray when they aren’t.
“You have to respect the position of authority and people that God’s put as authority over you no matter how stupid, inane, hateful, or tyrannical they might be. Respect their authority at all costs even if it cost you your life.”
That’s a good wish but the answer to the three wishes thing is that with the first wish I become the person that grants wishes. From that point on things are golden...
Respect authority until it shoves you in an oven, then take its head off.
God’s authority is handed down to the State. So, yes, the State. But we are expected to point out where the State falls short and to correct it if we can.
“For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. Romans 13:1-2”
I for one am glad our founding fathers thought otherwise of Paul’s instructions.
The rural public schools still have a chance. The urban/suburban public schools are cesspools of pop culture indoctrination, not education.
Man, I hope this dude wins Sunday. :) Even if he doesn’t he is still one class act.
>> I wonder how many apologies I will get for being RIGHT?
That’s not a question.
"So that's part of it and just finding the right place and the right time to do things is part of it, too. But I think it does show courage from the kids, standing out and doing that, and some boldness."It seems to me that Tebow qualified his statement. I don't think he would support a tyrannical government. Overall I think it's a well balanced statement.
“I for one am glad our founding fathers thought otherwise of Pauls instructions.”
They literally can't, even if they want to.
If you'll look at my posting history, you'll notice a huge gap this year. I became very ill, and was facing not being able to homeschool our youngest in order to recover. The first of our kids who wouldn't have been homeschooled. We were very sad.
The schools here didn't seem terrible, so we were upset, but thought we'd be ok. So close to the school year starting, no vacancies in any private schools, and we felt that we had no other choice.
We were not ok. Right off the bat, our youngest tested out of math. Several grade levels beyond the actual grade.
When we went to the school, we were told that they don't skip grades anymore unless the child has been in school for a few weeks to show proficiency (lie #1).
Then we were told that, no, they didn't mean a "few weeks", that the year would have to be completed and that they'd consider placement next year (lie #2). And we were told that there was nothing to show us or to put in writing about the matter (lie #3).
Then we were told that she couldn't "just" advance in math, because it wasn't fair to the other kids. This was not a lie, it's just sick. Can't have my kid making the others feel bad.
It came to a head when a teacher took pity a day or two before school started. She told us that (as to lie #1, 2, & 3) they can move kids up, but they don't, because they need bright kids to raise the test scores for NCLB. It is now unofficial policy to never move children up. They really don't care if your kid is special. All parents think their kids are special. They aren't, so forget it. Believe it or not, I took what she said as the most wonderful blessing - a kindness. She really did help, even if she was a bit blunt. The nicest part of the whole experience, frankly.
We thought and prayed, and pulled her out before the first day. We scrambled, but we managed to start homeschooling two days later. She's doing fine, she's more advanced that we first thought, and has yet to meet a math problem she couldn't tackle.
I've had a difficult time of it physically, but get better ever day. We lost an older family member in October, and that was hard, but we keep our eyes on what is important and that helps.
I do not "get" sending kids to a place where they are a number and not human. If it's the last thing I do, I will do the right thing.
Do a search for "No Child Left Behind" + Gifted if you want to see what schools are doing to smart kids in the name of test scores. It is frightening.
Well?...Here are a few questions to answer, and then decide if they are the instruments of the devil.
Are all government owned and run K-12 schools secularly godless in their worldview? Is there even one exception of a government owned and run K-12 school in the United States that is God-centered in the fundamental worldview through which everything is taught?
Are all government owned and run K-12 schools a socialist and single payer entitlement? Again, please send a link to an exception. Do children risk becoming comfortable with taking money from their neighbor for this socialist service? Are they taught that it is their right to take money from their neighbor for this tuition-free social service? Well! Gee! If government can give them socialist schooling, why not use that government power to get **lots** of socialist goodies!
Is anyone holding a gun to the head of a government teacher as they **willingly** accept a job that teaches children to think and reason godlessly? Of course the children think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate within the classroom, read the texts, and complete assignments. How could it be otherwise?
Is anyone holding a gun to any government teacher as they **willingly** accept a job that they **know** will result in money being sent to the NEA with its abominable agenda?
Where are the mass marches of teachers and their protests when children are sexually kissing their parents, or homosexual indoctrination is mandated in the classroom? ( crickets)
Recently, I have decided to put all government socialist K-12 school teachers on my “No-friend” list. They are either too evil, too stupid, or too much of a Useful Idiot to be my friend. They now join all Democrats on this list that have been there since the Florida 2000 election recount.
If government teachers really loved kids ( as they say they do) they would be working to shut these socialist, single payer, schooling entitlements down. They would be rescuing children from these pits of moral depravity and ignorance. That's how I see it.
¨On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my Country....¨
I live in a rural community in one of the reddest counties in the nation. ALL of the government schools in my county are utterly and completely GODLESS in their worldview! All of the government schools in my county are a socialist entitlement.
1) The children **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the classroom. How could be otherwise? Seriously. This is a serious question. How could it be otherwise?
2) The children risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. They are taught by their socialist teachers that they have a **right** to wealth of others just so they can have tuition free schooling! Well! Gee! If government and its threat of police action can take money from a neighbor for tuition-free socialist schooling, why not use that power for **lots** of socialist yummies? ( Franklin D. Roosevelt was an accident. He was the result of one to three generations of children being made to feel comfortable with socialism in socialist government schools!)
3)All of the government schools in my county establish the religious worldview of godless secular humanism and force citizens ( under the threat of armed police action) to pay for this religious abomination!
4) There are no private schools in my county because our county and state are running a price-fixed, monopoly, cartel! If private CEOs tried this they would soon be in prison! The only other option is homeschooling. If this is not possible, the child and parents will face armed police action if they refuse to cooperate with the government schools functionaries.
5) Finally.... Our socialist schools are the single largest employer in the county. No other business comes even close in the number of employees, payroll, or capital investment in buildings. These armies of socialist workers go to the polls and every time the vote to make sure their sinecures remain intact.
Government schools in my county are disgusting. ( And...The they look like minimum security prisons, too!)
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I know it's been a while but don't remember having to take that oath in high school.
Ya’ll are seriously deranged. I mean it. You folks can’t see the forrest for the trees.
Get a grip.
This is a personal insult. When were you awarded a Ph.D. in Armchair Psychology? ( Just wondering.)
And...Gee! Is it possible that you or someone close in your family is a government teacher? Hm?
Since we are soooooo “seriously” “deranged” perhaps you can help us separate the forrest from the trees. Why don't you start with the simple questions I presented in my post #31?
Since I and the others on this thread are so “seriously” deranged, then these basic questions should be simple for you. After all you are so well grounded in reality and we are not.
Oh, I just love personal attacks. I AM a Christian and I still question whether we are supposed to teach our children that the state is right in all things. To do otherwise would mean the Founding Fathers got it all wrong.
If these kids or their parents have a problem obeying "their government masters," then they should get out of the public school system.
You know -- shaking the dust off their sandals, and all that.
You're right. I didn't. I suppose that makes me less of man, too, right?
They aren't in the Boy Scouts either.
You guys are too easy.
I can only imagine what’s it’s like in your car as you pass a school building and the kids are outside playing.
“You see my wonderfully gifted children that are so perfect. Those aren’t children playing on that jungle gym, those are deeeeeemons. Deeeemons I tell you. Straight from hell!”
Lol i’m so glad you don’t send your kids to school. I can only shudder to think what it would be like to deal with you.
I agree. The only issue I had with the incident was the hallway.
They could have sent the same message from another area and maybe had a bigger impact.
Of course, that being said, it wouldn’t have drwan the attention of the media, lol.
“Tell the kids that they should always obey their government masters.”
1Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
1 Peter 2:13-14
13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
Other references - Ephesians 6:5-8; Colossians 3:22-25; 1 Timothy 6:1-2; 1 Peter 2:18-20; Titus 2:9-11.
Guess what?....The top 10% in nearly any socialist government school could be doing similarly well.
As the ad says. “ A mind is a terrible think to waste!” Don't send your precious child to a government indoctrination camp.
I am a public school teacher. In my district I am one of three conservative teachers. Urban, suburban, or rural, all the schools are the same. All the government textbooks tell students that the Constitution is a living document and all the American literature textbooks tell the students that the founders were deists. Students are encouraged to take paperwork home so that they can get free breakfasts and lunches because it is their right. Students are tested frequently for learning disabilities because the schools get more money for those kids. The only delusional one on this thread is one who thinks that the school their kid attends is not like that.
See my post #48. My husband and I are homeschooling our children.
Leaders who fail to adhere to biblical principals are subject to Gods wrath. Citizens (also called subjects and slaves in the Bible) who suffer injustice because they follow Gods direction are blessed.
According to the picture I saw the kids were blocking the hallway. They were doing it to make a scene not to show their love of the Lord. Its more about showing a lack of respect and keeping discipline than it is about praying.
Our failing govt schools are what WE have allowed them to become.