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Errant Bullet Travels 1.5 Miles, Kills Amish Girl
WLWT ^ | 12:01 pm EST December 20, 2011 | WLWT

Posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:28 AM PST by TSgt

FREDERICKSBURG, Ohio -- An Ohio sheriff says a man cleaning his muzzle-loading rifle accidentally shot and killed a 15-year-old Amish girl driving a horse-drawn buggy more than a mile away.

Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zimmerly said Tuesday that the accident occurred Thursday night when a man fired his loaded rifle to clean it. He says the victim, Rachel Yoder of Fredericksburg, was nearly 1.5 miles away when she was shot in the head.

No charges have been filed.

Yoder was shot while traveling to her home in adjacent Wayne County, between Columbus and Akron. She was riding alone after attending a Christmas party for employees, most under 18 years old, who work at an Amish produce farm.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amish; banglist; bullet; crime; ohio; rachelyoder; shooting; yoder
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To: DoughtyOne

As always a bullet has got to go somewhere and there is Murphy’s law.


161 posted on 12/20/2011 12:23:05 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter; buffaloguy

Thank you guys. I appreciate the correction and additional information.


162 posted on 12/20/2011 12:27:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: Okieshooter

I think Murphy worked overtime here.


163 posted on 12/20/2011 12:29:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: SVTCobra03

Thanks SVTC.., I didn’t have the exact details but the basics. Do you know the outcome of the incident. Was anyone charged?


164 posted on 12/20/2011 12:30:09 PM PST by Know et al (The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.)
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To: chris_bdba
not someone targeting a buggy like thy wondered at first.

I'm glad you corrected that. I just thought that perhaps your King James English needed some work.

165 posted on 12/20/2011 12:39:08 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: Avalon Hussar

I recall seeing a show on a great Civil War shot, something like 1 mile, if so then perhaps a mile and a half is believable. Very sad, terrible story.


166 posted on 12/20/2011 12:40:09 PM PST by jpsb
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To: DoughtyOne

You’re welcome. I sort of had to chuckle because long distance shooting is very popular with the black powder crowd, much more so than with the modern powder guys.

I think I read the other day that in Wyoming there is an annual one mile shoot. I would love try it with my .45-70.

I will be shooting at 1,000 yards this year but I am spending a good deal of time making adjustments to the bullets I pour to make them nearly perfect for the specific rifle that I shoot. It takes a bit of time, lead and powder.


167 posted on 12/20/2011 12:50:13 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Retired COB

” ...not ever seen a buggy driven by one of their females ...”

Around here, half of the buggy drivers are women or girls. There’s a sub-category of buggy horses especially for women. Dawdy horses for Grandma and Grandpa, “women drivers” for women and girls, school hacks or school ponies for the little ones and the notorious “boy’s horse” for the thrill-seekers.

That said, what a tragedy for the family, and how can the shooter ever show his face in public again. What a disgrace.

My 10-year-old and 13-year-old use better sense with their BB guns.


168 posted on 12/20/2011 12:51:30 PM PST by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: Tailback
If it was a sabot round, how do you ballistically fingerprint it? The rifling marks would be in the discarded sabot.

Yep. In this case we know where the shooter was and what direction the weapon was pointed.

Look down range from the point of origin, it will be within a dozen or so yards of the muzzle, and within maybe 10-15° of the aim direction.

You could match powder residue, but considering there’s probably very few brands of black powder, that may not mean much.

Yes, but our betters require microtaggents in black powder.

This provides the ability to trace to a single batch of powder.

169 posted on 12/20/2011 1:00:40 PM PST by null and void (Day 1064 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: redgolum
If it was a sabot round, it won't be that easy. The grooves from the rifling will be on the spent sabot, not the bullet.

See post #169

170 posted on 12/20/2011 1:04:14 PM PST by null and void (Day 1064 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: DoughtyOne

Before the cartridge era, circa 1870 or so, it was very common to discharge your muzzle loader in order to clean it. I even have comments that my great-grandfather wrote in his Civil War diary about firing his rifle so that it could be cleaned due to concerns of the powder getting damp in the barrel in humid conditions.

I have been shooting muzzle loaders for over 45 years, pistol, rifle, and shotgun, and firing my flintlock rifle into a dirt burm is the easiest, and safest, way to unload it.

You can leave a gun loaded with black powder for well over a 100 years and it will fire right off with no problem. Very stable powder.


171 posted on 12/20/2011 1:11:09 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: SVTCobra03; Know et al

“I never heard the outcome of the incident. I don’t recall where it happened either.”

I had to look.

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/03/austin-haley-update.html

I can’t vouch for the veracity of the site.

I found the link here.

http://austinhaley.com/news.php


172 posted on 12/20/2011 1:17:37 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: mamelukesabre
I’m surprised you didn’t mention fingerprints on the bullit, ya shyster.

I, on the other hand, am not the slightest bit surprised that you are unable to cite a single factoid to support your original statement.

I find that enlightening...

173 posted on 12/20/2011 1:22:02 PM PST by null and void (Day 1064 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: buffaloguy

I have also thought it would be a blast to shoot long range. I’ve seldom shot at things farther than fifty yards away.


174 posted on 12/20/2011 1:23:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: buffaloguy

BTW: Good luck in your 1000 yard competition. Let me know how you do. I’m sure it will be months away.


175 posted on 12/20/2011 1:24:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Thanks Inyo-Mono. It was nice to hear of your great-grandfather, and your knowledge and history with these guns. Excellent. 100 years? That’s really something.

Take care bud.


176 posted on 12/20/2011 1:29:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: buffaloguy

We have a combined muzzle loader and bow deer hunting season here in Vermont, for a week after the regular rifle season ends. And I think there may be another one earlier. (I can’t check on that, because the Vermont Fish and Wildlife people scrub the earlier part of the hunting calendar after it’s past.)

Not nearly as many muzzle loader hunters around these parts, but there are a few.


177 posted on 12/20/2011 1:30:30 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

So they would be patch marks not rifling marks.

Granted with a ball with little windage and a tight patch you could get an image of the rifling transfered to the ball but they would be depressions in the lead and not true rifling marks.


178 posted on 12/20/2011 1:41:52 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

A book on gun collecting that I picked up a few years back warns that any blackpowder arm newly found after many years (like in Grandpa’s attic) should always be regarded as loaded.


179 posted on 12/20/2011 1:46:38 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

When I was a teen, we lived in a declining neighborhood. One day a bullet whizzed over my bed and went through a poster on my wall. The police said it could have come from anywhere in the hills and couldn’t [or wouldn’t] trace it. That incident was the last straw that convinced my parents that it was time to move.


180 posted on 12/20/2011 1:46:48 PM PST by KittyKares (.)
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