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House agrees payroll tax deal as Republicans cave in to Obama
The Guardian ^ | Thursday 22 December 2011 | Ewen MacAskill

Posted on 12/22/2011 2:32:54 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

House speaker John Boehner is set to sign an offer from Obama to accelerate negotiations.

Republicans in the House of Representatives have capitulated in the showdown over the payroll tax, handing Barack Obama an important victory going into election year.

Under pressure from other senior Republicans for blocking a bill that would extend tax cuts to millions of Americans, the House speaker, John Boehner, is backing away from his insistence that any deal must cover a full year.

A deal agreed by Republicans and Democrats in the Senate on Saturday covers two months, to allow further negotiations in January. It appears that Boehner will sign up to an offer from Obama to accelerate these negotiations.

The deal means that, after a year of humiliation at the hands of congressional Republicans who have repeatedly threatened to close down the federal government, Obama is close to a much-needed victory.

The decisive moment came when ther Republican leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, after days of silence, lined up behind Barack Obama and the Democrats.

Boehner was blocking passage of a bill that would extend tax breaks to 160 million Americans, a measure introduced by Obama last year to help stimulate the US economy. If the bill is not passed by 31 December, American taxpayers face cuts in their pay of an average of $40 every two weeks. About 1.3 million people stand to lose unemployment benefit.

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To: MinorityRepublican

And now the emboldened rats are giving High Fives all around.

Time for another Hill TEA Party Rally to give the wimps some backbone.


101 posted on 12/22/2011 3:40:27 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: goseminoles
"Boehner just put the nail in his coffin.."

Or in ours. How can we hope to win with this inept political leadership and we continue with the savaging of our various Presidential candidates by some Republicans with the gleeful assistance of the media and will probably nominate one of the old guard to run against Dear Leader. It is just so depressing to see the disarray of the forces that have to unite to defeat Obsma.

102 posted on 12/22/2011 3:40:27 PM PST by Truth29
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To: MinorityRepublican

Screwed again.


103 posted on 12/22/2011 3:42:37 PM PST by LUV W (This tagline reserved for a hero.......)
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To: MinorityRepublican; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; mkjessup; calcowgirl; BufordP; roamer_1; ...
The decisive moment came when ther Republican leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, after days of silence, lined up behind Barack Obama and the Democrats.

Thanks, Mitch McConnell, for flying your true colors and for raising my taxes next year.

FUMM! FUJB! FUJM! FUMR! FUGOP!!!

Oh, and most especially...FUBO! FUHR! FUDNC!!!

104 posted on 12/22/2011 3:43:05 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: MinorityRepublican
John Boehner, failure is the best description of him.
105 posted on 12/22/2011 3:43:27 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Is anyone really surprised? Have you guys seen the pathetic field in 2012?

They WANT to lose in 2012 so that they can coronate Jeb in 2016.


106 posted on 12/22/2011 3:49:06 PM PST by PAConservative1
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To: PAConservative1
They WANT to lose in 2012 so that they can coronate Jeb in 2016.

That is more wrong than words can express.

NO MORE BUSHES!!! FUGOP!!!

107 posted on 12/22/2011 3:51:12 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: FreedBird
Gas prices keep going up so now we have $40. to pay higher fuel prices. Do they think we are all stupid?

Of course they know we are that stupid. Come the beginning of the year, that $40 is going to go straight to the utility companies when energy costs "necessarily skyrocket" because The Enemy (in this case the EPA) is deliberately destroying the energy sector.

108 posted on 12/22/2011 3:51:50 PM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: PAConservative1
Haven't you read Jeb's "The Right to Rise" in the Wall Street Journal recently? A brilliant article!

Go Jeb in 2016!

109 posted on 12/22/2011 3:52:30 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Chile, Belieze, Costa Rica, Panama... not sure which one yet.

Chile has a certain appeal though.

Mexico? No thank you.


110 posted on 12/22/2011 3:55:07 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: mrsmith
Boehner statement: "We will ask the House and Senate to approve this agreement by unanimous consent before Christmas."

Methinks, at minimum, Sen. Jim Demint (R-SC) will prevent the approval from being unanimous.

111 posted on 12/22/2011 3:55:21 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: tcrlaf

We can’t force media to print truth. We can’t force media to provide opposition.

Media in this country is dead and molderin’ in the grave.


112 posted on 12/22/2011 3:56:20 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Go Jeb in 2016!

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

If the GOP establishment puts up another Bush, I am going to vote against the GOP.

113 posted on 12/22/2011 3:56:50 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: upchuck

That’s because DeMint is pretty much the only conservative in the Senate.


114 posted on 12/22/2011 3:57:29 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Next time I sit down at a poker table, I hope to see Boehner and Cantor sitting there as well. What incompetents! Bob


115 posted on 12/22/2011 3:59:11 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why do we have to get all our breaking news from The Guardian or the UK Daily News?

Or are these tabloids full of it.


116 posted on 12/22/2011 3:59:29 PM PST by Jean S
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To: MinorityRepublican

I was never comfortable with the way SS withholding was marketed. Any thinking person knows that even thought they call it an employer part and an employee part, in reality it is 100% paid by the employee. Because the sheeple don’t directly see the employer part, they stupidly assume it is “free money”. Eventually, reality will force the gummit to raise SS taxes, and you can bet they will do it “fairly” by raising BOTH the employer and employee part. End result, a overall increase over the pre-cut levels with most of it hidden from the masses, who will never understand that it will come out of their future raises, their future job opportunities, or both.

I would like to see Congress pass one or both of the following:

-Eliminate all tax withholding for W-2 employees and make them all file quarterlies, just like the 1099 people do. I want to see EVERYONE write the United States Treasury a check every 3 months. Maybe a few would start thinking about how the cost of government affects them personally.

-Add new optional informational boxes to the W-2 where the employer can list every tax/fee/charge that is levied on a per employee basis. Let everyone know much it REALLY costs to have employees.

Ain’t gonna happen, though.


117 posted on 12/22/2011 4:00:10 PM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: boomop1

The more I digest this fiasco, the more I think this was done to make obama look stupid. As someone pointed out - we get an extra $20 in our paycheck for a lousy two months, social security gets short changed and obama leaves for his $4 million vacation. I think he just may come out looking like the loser in all this.


118 posted on 12/22/2011 4:02:42 PM PST by jersey117 (.)
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To: FreedBird

Not all, but enough.


119 posted on 12/22/2011 4:09:09 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: molson209
Obama Wins !! Tax payers lose 10 months of tax cuts !!

Right. And those poor working people will not see it extended for the remaining 10 months unless King Obama uses this to gain votes. And you can bet this will be part of the effort to get King Obama reelected. And Bonehead is too dumb to see he has been had.

120 posted on 12/22/2011 4:13:33 PM PST by Logical me
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To: jersey117

I think they are all losers. Boehner is an idiot. If he was gonna accept this thing he should have done it two day ago. What an idiot.


121 posted on 12/22/2011 4:14:33 PM PST by kjam22
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To: rabscuttle385

I want to find out how Ron Johnson voted too. I can’t see him holding his nose and caving on this. I will be so disappointed.


122 posted on 12/22/2011 4:15:37 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I want to find out how Ron Johnson voted too. I can’t see him holding his nose and caving on this. I will be so disappointed.


123 posted on 12/22/2011 4:15:53 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Will someone with the knowledge please do a spreadsheet on this matter.....

First of all, it’s an average of $1000/year taken out of my Social Security. What’s that going to cost me in my retirement income?? Compounded and all that...
(Assuming Social Security is even around...)

Secondly, now I have to pay income taxes on the $1000 they are taking from my paycheck. How much am I really getting?

Let’s put this into perspective in dollars and cents as to what the real cost of all this nonsense is.
Please, I know there are Freepers that can put these figures together. The press and politicians can’t seem to figure this out....
Thanks,


124 posted on 12/22/2011 4:16:15 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Pravious

90 percent of the problem, aside from Repubs playing touch football when Dems play tackle, is that the “Main Stream Media” is as objective towards the Repubs as the old USSR Pravda was objective towards enemies of the USSR.

Anytime a conservative Repub gets a win, it represents a real ground swell as the Dem Party Press (MSN) and the Dem Party vote fraud machine account for est. 35 percent of the Dem Party’s elections, etc.


125 posted on 12/22/2011 4:17:51 PM PST by OldArmy52 (Obama, the most corrupt and incompetent President since Carter.)
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To: GrandmaPatriot

It’s a Philly thing, borrow me five= lend me five.


126 posted on 12/22/2011 4:18:35 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: Trteamer
First of all, it’s an average of $1000/year taken out of my Social Security. What’s that going to cost me in my retirement income?? Compounded and all that... (Assuming Social Security is even around...)

I'll take the money now rather than later.

Secondly, now I have to pay income taxes on the $1000 they are taking from my paycheck. How much am I really getting?

You have to pay taxes on it either way.

127 posted on 12/22/2011 4:18:35 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Supposedly FICA is not a tax it is insurance. Supposedly Social Security is severely underfunded, so are these folks taking a few dollars only to have their SS insurance taken away when they retire?


128 posted on 12/22/2011 4:18:35 PM PST by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: GrandmaPatriot

It’s a Philly thing, borrow me five= lend me five.


129 posted on 12/22/2011 4:18:35 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: midwyf
so are these folks taking a few dollars only to have their SS insurance taken away when they retire?

Anyone young Americans who think that Social Security is "insurance" or will be there when they "retire" deserve exactly what they will get - NOTHING.

130 posted on 12/22/2011 4:21:09 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: midwyf
so are these folks taking a few dollars only to have their SS insurance taken away when they retire?

Any young Americans who think that Social Security is "insurance" or will be there when they "retire" deserve exactly what they will get - NOTHING.

131 posted on 12/22/2011 4:21:22 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Boner needs to go


132 posted on 12/22/2011 4:21:41 PM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: mrsmith

I hope Santa visits Boehner this weekend...and burns down his house.

John is morphing into Trent Lott as we speak.

Forget the GOP. I’m done with them. The party cannot be saved.


133 posted on 12/22/2011 4:23:05 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's now clear the GOP establishment is uncapable of governing and should resign.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Boehner’s not the guy.

Boehner's in way over his head. The Tea Party tried to get someone competent in the Speaker's chair after the 2010 elections, but after all, ya know, it was Boehner's "turn".

134 posted on 12/22/2011 4:23:58 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Bushbacker1

Amen!


135 posted on 12/22/2011 4:24:26 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's now clear the GOP establishment is uncapable of governing and should resign.)
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To: Fledermaus
John is morphing into Trent Lott as we speak.

Ah, almost forgot about good old Trent!

Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt 'em"


136 posted on 12/22/2011 4:27:00 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I would have had more respect for Boehner if he had just passed the thing instead of holding it up and then chickening out.


137 posted on 12/22/2011 4:27:37 PM PST by Venturer
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To: gswilder

You can’t win a war fighting battles with pea shooters.

DROP A FRICKIN’ NUKE!

There, war over.

It’s not the right thing to do. The right thing is to point out that we are doing nothing but giving people a loan against their so-called social security.

The right thing to do is make the point Soc Sec is obviously a ponzi scheme since the Dems agree, now, to underfund it. When Bush in 2006 tried to “privatize” it by letting you put the same 2% in private accounts the Dems SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER!

Can’t have it both ways. If John Boehner wasn’t a total douche he’d have pointed that out and maybe “won the battle” as you put it.

Instead they, again, put up the white flag and retreated crying (literally I’m sure), “fall back”.


138 posted on 12/22/2011 4:30:33 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's now clear the GOP establishment is uncapable of governing and should resign.)
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To: Enough is ENOUGH

If after 2010 it doesn’t show you that’s impossible then I don’t know what you expect in 2012.


139 posted on 12/22/2011 4:32:25 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's now clear the GOP establishment is uncapable of governing and should resign.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

What is the point in the right to rise if folks like Jeb make it impossible with their open border policy?


140 posted on 12/22/2011 4:37:12 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's now clear the GOP establishment is uncapable of governing and should resign.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The GOP has NO moral courage. Nor any kind of courage whatsoever.

Save only a few. Bachmann for one.


141 posted on 12/22/2011 4:37:27 PM PST by bvw
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To: MinorityRepublican

No more Bushes . Never !!!


142 posted on 12/22/2011 4:39:25 PM PST by fantom (,)
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To: bvw

Bachman has courage... but she never wins anything.


143 posted on 12/22/2011 4:39:39 PM PST by kjam22
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To: MinorityRepublican

Boehner has to go. What an idiot.


144 posted on 12/22/2011 4:41:43 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: kjam22

Mrs. Bachmann won election and re-election, a very contested re-election with national pressure brought against her.

What did you mean? What hasn’t she won?


145 posted on 12/22/2011 4:42:56 PM PST by bvw
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To: rockinqsranch

i thought that we could do that till I found out Rubio. Allen west and Demint ALL voted for that” army internment of American citizens SUSPECTED OF TERRORISM”...go figure, that one blew me away.


146 posted on 12/22/2011 4:44:44 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: MinorityRepublican

To defeat the socialists in DC, you must have a media strategy that rises above polls and talking points. The RINO’s did not debate this on conservative economic principal and lost. This is bad economics, bad policy, and bad for the nation. But the press says Obama “won”.


147 posted on 12/22/2011 4:44:51 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; upchuck; bamahead
Allen west and Demint ALL voted for that” army internment of American citizens SUSPECTED OF TERRORISM”...go figure, that one blew me away.

Got a link for that?

148 posted on 12/22/2011 4:57:10 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
"We have to take over the Republican Party"

We tried that here in Alaska. When we got a real conservative republican nominated for Senate the State and National Repubs joined forces to defeat him. The coalition of democrats, unions and natives put the most liberal republican (Lisa murkowski) back in the senate with the help of the establishment republicans. I no longer am a registered republican thanks to that eye opening experience.

149 posted on 12/22/2011 4:59:13 PM PST by strongbow
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; rabscuttle385

Yeah. Let’s see your link.


150 posted on 12/22/2011 5:21:46 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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