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Why the winds are shifting toward Obama (Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Mitt Romney...)
CNN ^ | 12/22/11 | David Gergen

Posted on 12/22/2011 2:49:09 PM PST by jimbo123

Republican disarray over extending a payroll tax cut has quickly become part of a bigger political story that has been unfolding for months: the resurrection of President Barack Obama and his fellow Democrats heading into the 2012 elections.

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The stupid party of RINOS delivers a big fat Kwanzaa gift to Hussein and the 'Rats.
1 posted on 12/22/2011 2:49:13 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

The RINOS stand for nothing, except to bend over backwards and kiss the butts of their democratic masters.


2 posted on 12/22/2011 2:51:47 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: jimbo123

Sad but true. God knows what he’ll do when he doesn’t have to face re-election.


3 posted on 12/22/2011 2:51:55 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: jimbo123

Gergen is pimping for his masters.


4 posted on 12/22/2011 2:51:58 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: jimbo123

Unfortunately we’re all downwind....


5 posted on 12/22/2011 2:54:02 PM PST by clintonh8r (Living well is no longer the best revenge. Revenge is now the best revenge.)
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To: jimbo123

And you believe anything that David Rodham Gergen has to say about GOP politics? Can you point to any previous time when this guy was ever right on anything?


6 posted on 12/22/2011 2:54:20 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: jimbo123

Rush even said before he left, a bunch of crap is coming down the pike, don’t get discouraged. No doubt, this is some of what he was alluding to.


7 posted on 12/22/2011 2:54:32 PM PST by Track9
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To: jimbo123

Well, if the winds shift reverses then maybe we can expect another leftist generated September surprise like war with Iran.


8 posted on 12/22/2011 2:55:46 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Demand a real conservative enter the race. This election is too important to gamble away.)
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To: jimbo123
"For low the daylight cometh and the shadows flee away," The Divine One will be reelected and the only remaining question is by how many votes will his victory be?
9 posted on 12/22/2011 2:58:34 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: jimbo123
Democrat stooge is spelled RINO.

Why can't we rid ourselves of these losers? The only authority they seem to be able to exercise is over the conservative elements in the party.

10 posted on 12/22/2011 2:59:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: jimbo123

David Gergen has lost my respect several administrations back and appears to me to be the Libocrats token for his reliably liberal and “go along” attitude. His views incline me to take an opposite position.


11 posted on 12/22/2011 3:00:36 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existance!)
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To: All

Rush said this would happen a few weeks ago. The winds are not shifting, Obama is toast and this is why the media is doing this crap.
This is what happens when you only control 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. This was neither a win or a lose, from what I gather because in the end, the sticking point will be addressed. This was more of a Reid temper tantrum with Obama not acting like an adult.

What this is, is a prime example of why we need to regain control the Senate and get back the presidency. Because if this was a republican president, we all know the media would be bitching about how they’re gutting social security with this “tax cut” and they’d run out a bunch of old people in front of the cameras whining about insolvency.

Sit back, relax and enjoy Christmas..


12 posted on 12/22/2011 3:00:41 PM PST by newnhdad
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To: Track9

Rush is right and most people are paying no attention to this. Just politicos like us here pay attention. Elections are a very long way off.


13 posted on 12/22/2011 3:01:29 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: skeeter

“Why can’t we rid ourselves of these losers?”

I can’t even figure out how to get involved in local politics.

Which, of course, might mean I’m too stupid to help.


14 posted on 12/22/2011 3:01:54 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: skeeter

“Why can’t we rid ourselves of these losers?”

I can’t even figure out how to get involved in local politics.

Which, of course, might mean I’m too stupid to help.


15 posted on 12/22/2011 3:01:59 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: jimbo123

Seriously? Keeping a 2% reduction in SS tax during the longest and worst recession in the last 50 years is going to give Obama the momentum to win the election?

What is the author smoking?


16 posted on 12/22/2011 3:02:15 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: jimbo123

Exactly right.

The incompetence of Boehner and Cantor is just astounding. They should resign in disgrace. They cannot control their members and are totally useless leaders.

Again.

Just tell me, when was the last time one of Boehners great strategeries worked? Ever?

These guys have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and are in the process of losing control of the House, not that they’re fit to run it anyway. Totally disgusted with the lot. 11% approval rating? That’s 10 points too high.


17 posted on 12/22/2011 3:03:18 PM PST by bigbob
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To: newnhdad

Amen to that. And good advice. Merry Christmas!!


18 posted on 12/22/2011 3:04:25 PM PST by Track9
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To: bigbob

McConnell and Reid were collaborators in setting up Boner for this pre-Christmas fiasco. And Boner was too stupid to do anything about it.

McConnell is probably being blackmailed by the Rats for being a homo, but it’s shameful that Boner just bends over and takes it from McConnell.


19 posted on 12/22/2011 3:06:34 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Remember the Lame Duck session this time last year?

After the 2010 election congressional republicans said the democrats were done for.
But the democrats went bat-crap crazy and stomped the republicans into the ground.

Republicans came to in the middle of the road with bad headaches and boot tracks all over them.

Well, that was just a warm up for the entire year of 2012.

Republicans are working hard to secure an Obama victory from what once looked like an almost certain defeat.


20 posted on 12/22/2011 3:07:53 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: bigbob
Someone else said this on the thread....and I will say it louder:

Rush said this would happen a few weeks ago. The winds are not shifting, Obama is toast and this is why the media is doing this crap. This is what happens when you only control 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. This was neither a win or a lose, from what I gather because in the end, the sticking point will be addressed. This was more of a Reid temper tantrum with Obama not acting like an adult.

What this is, is a prime example of why we need to regain control the Senate and get back the presidency. Because if this was a republican president, we all know the media would be bitching about how they’re gutting social security with this “tax cut” and they’d run out a bunch of old people in front of the cameras whining about insolvency.

Sit back, relax and enjoy Christmas..

21 posted on 12/22/2011 3:13:16 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: newnhdad

I copied your statement above....wanted to acknowledge your wisdom.
;-)


22 posted on 12/22/2011 3:14:48 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
What this is, is a prime example of why we need to regain control the Senate

With Senate Majority Leader Mitch "The Homo" McConnell (RINO-KY) in charge?




23 posted on 12/22/2011 3:18:04 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Recovering_Democrat; newnhdad

It’s a long way till November.

All the media liars are trumpeting the latest CNN/WaPo NBC/WSJ polls showing Obama climbing back toward 50% approval.

Those polls are CRAP. They are surveys of ADULTS, not registered voters, not likely voters. The surveys of ADULTS always get the losers, couch potatoes, Oprah watchers, too-lazy-to-vote imbeciles.

Obama is still down near 40 percent approval and he’s got nothing going to move him up. Our candidate could—may well be—a disaster but Obama’s not going to win it on his own positives.


24 posted on 12/22/2011 3:21:10 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Recovering_Democrat

If you stand your ground you win every time. The GOP caves every time.
Every “f*****g time. I will never, ever vote for these ass****s again.


25 posted on 12/22/2011 3:24:03 PM PST by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

If you stand your ground you win every time. The GOP caves every time.
Every “f*****g time. I will never, ever vote for these ass****s again.


26 posted on 12/22/2011 3:24:13 PM PST by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: jimbo123

I would like the House to “deem” the democrats iddiots and refuse to cooperate with them in any way.

If they do cooperate, let it be to the extent the democrats cooperated in Obamacare passage.


27 posted on 12/22/2011 3:28:43 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (People should enjoy the fruits of their labor. No labor, no fruit.)
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To: jimbo123

The only wind shifting toward this idiot is the gas from my a$$!


28 posted on 12/22/2011 3:28:43 PM PST by Renegade
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To: jimbo123

On the face of it cutting the payroll tax was stupid in the first place because Social Security is broke. But then again, there is no saving Social Security. Stretching it out for a few more months of faux solvency won’t save it so take off the whole payroll tax!


29 posted on 12/22/2011 3:30:24 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: jimbo123

McConnell’s worthless as a Senate leader and needs to be ousted.


30 posted on 12/22/2011 3:30:26 PM PST by rfp1234 (RFP's Law: Whoever blames Bush first shall lose the argument.)
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To: jimbo123
A blip, but why exactly is this any kind of a gift to Obama, do you really believe that people are believing the made up numbers from the MSM or Government. Look around you who are you going to believe?
31 posted on 12/22/2011 3:31:55 PM PST by WHBates
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To: bigbob
They cannot control their members and are totally useless leaders.

An interesting charge, this. If it were a common problem there would be a lot of spam ads about it.

32 posted on 12/22/2011 3:36:17 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: jimbo123

"Who believes that now? Obama is still highly vulnerable and could lose, but the CNN poll coming out of the field this week reveals a remarkable turnaround, especially in the past month."

Amazing what polls can show when you massively oversample Democrats...

33 posted on 12/22/2011 3:37:54 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: jimbo123
The wind shift is all the hot air the media is blowing.

vaudine

34 posted on 12/22/2011 3:38:33 PM PST by vaudine
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To: jimbo123

And these SOBs claim Gingrich isnt conservative enough? Who was it that had enough guts to at least stand ground and shut the friggan government down?..that is until the rinos all ganged up on Gingrich and forced him to back down. And that is exactly what happened. Who was it that actually forced Clinton to come to the table and negotiate? What were the economic conditions as a result?

And then, they managed to force Gingrich out...and GW Bush got in WITH a GOP House and Senate. They promptly started to what? They spent like drunken sailors.


35 posted on 12/22/2011 3:42:03 PM PST by crz
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To: jimbo123

SAid it before and will continue saying it:

IF YOU THINK OBAMA WILL BE EASY TO BEAT IN 2012 YOU`RE A FOOL.

Odds are he will win and easily with a RINO nominee, the dominant media in FULL FRONTAL ATTACK mode on the nominee, a foolish and imbecilic House of Representatives leader like Boehner being played like a fool over an over,voter fraud,buying votes, etc, etc, etc.


36 posted on 12/22/2011 3:51:50 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 (+)
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a foolish and imbecilic House of Representatives leader like Boehner being played like a fool

He may be a fool in a Biblical sense, but he isn't in the political sense - Boehner is complicit and will forever be in league with The Enemy. The GOP-E needs to be defeated with as much vigor as we want to remove The Usurper and the demonic choir that accompanies him.

37 posted on 12/22/2011 3:56:43 PM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: jimbo123

Am I reading this wrong or will the next two months see no increase in a person’s paycheck because the payroll tax was extended two months. The same paycheck amount should be the same if what they were getting this last year is just extended. So hold off on buying that pizza, gang.


38 posted on 12/22/2011 3:59:17 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Logical me

Officials from the policy-neutral National Payroll Reporting Consortium, Inc. have expressed concern to members of Congress that the two-month payroll tax holiday passed by the Senate and supported by President Obama cannot be implemented properly.

Pete Isberg, president of the NPRC today wrote to the key leaders of the relevant committees of the House and Senate, telling them that “insufficient lead time” to implement the complicated change mandated by the legislation means the two-month payroll tax holiday “could create substantial problems, confusion and costs affecting a significant percentage of U.S. employers and employees.”

ABC News obtained a copy of the letter, which can be read HERE. Isberg agreed that it would be fair to characterize his letter as saying that the two-month payroll tax holiday cannot be implemented properly.
The NPRC is a non-profit trade association that does not take positions on policy. The group represents organizations that provide payroll processing and services to more than 1.5 million employers, impacting one third of the private sector.

Read more here.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/two-month-payroll-tax-holiday-passed-by-senate-pushed-by-president-cannot-be-implemented-properly-experts-say/


39 posted on 12/22/2011 4:03:17 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 (+)
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To: Fightin Whitey

You are correct about the polls showing Obozo around 50%.

I was arguing with some libs about these polls, they were thrilled about the big Obama comeback. The IPSOS/Reuters poll show Obozo at 48 approval, 49 Disapproval, when you looked at the internals no only was the poll adults, the sample was broken out 44%+ dem, 22% pub, 15 % independent.

Total Joke.

The MSM is trying to create a perception that Obozo is another ‘come back kid’

Don’t buy the BS.


40 posted on 12/22/2011 4:11:22 PM PST by Leto (Damn shame Palin didn't run, The Presidency was Her's for the taking)
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To: Fightin Whitey
Those polls are CRAP. They are surveys of ADULTS, not registered voters, not likely voters. The surveys of ADULTS always get the losers, couch potatoes, Oprah watchers, too-lazy-to-vote imbeciles.

Your theory falls apart because Rasmussen polls likely voters and now also shows a rise in Hussein's approval - up to 49% today which is exactly where CNN and Wapo have him.

The Republicans bungled this. They actually snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. We got the Keystone language, we removed the millionaire surtax offset, and for some reason House Republicans chose to embark on a fight they couldn't win. Were House conservatives correct on the merits of the fight? Yup. But they'd already lost the political battle when the majority of Republican senators had already voted for the deal and skipped town. Either Boehner made the deal with McConnell and Reid and didn't actually have the votes, or House Republicans got blowback from constituents and chose to dig in and fight a losing battle which was always going to end in them caving. The stupid party rides on!

41 posted on 12/22/2011 4:11:25 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Leto

Cap and Trade didn’t pass? 0bama bypasses Congress and people think he’ll be re-selected?

“Some small businesses’ electricity rates will rise more than 30 percent in January”

snip

“Schodorf Truck Body in Franklinton will see its annual electricity costs rise by 35 percent, which is about $7,000. “It’s one of those things that will cost jobs,” said co-owner Paul Schodorf, speaking of its effect on small businesses.”

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2011/12/04/aep-rate-planhits-small-business.html


42 posted on 12/22/2011 4:14:58 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Leto

This illustrates the old ploy of getting the choo-choo going and the wana joiners will just hop on. It can be very successful with easily led people especially those who get a free meal during the ride.


43 posted on 12/22/2011 4:19:05 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: jimbo123

David Rodham Gergen and CNN are credible because?


44 posted on 12/22/2011 4:30:25 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: jimbo123

We can criticize Boehner and the house Pubbies but really the way the press covered this there was no way to win this thing. We had better get used to this as this agreement guarantees this will come up every few months.

They would have covered Kennedy’s accident like Teddie was helping a Chappaquiddick girl in trouble.


45 posted on 12/22/2011 4:40:20 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: jimbo123; Interesting Times; zot

my question is: “why didn’t the senate Republicans demand a 1 year extension, as the House passed.” to my thinking, that would have put Reid and Obimie on the defensive in wanting to vote against a 1 year extension.


46 posted on 12/22/2011 4:42:41 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Longbow1969

You’re right, I hadn’t seen Rasmussen today.

All week I’ve been hearing the usual suspects going on about CNN & NBC.

Rasmussen has always been as close or closer than anybody else in election polling, so I’m not going to impugn him now.

But even he’s got some touchy numbers in there—50% of respondents overall disapprove, and even 50% of ‘independents,’ most of whom are Democrats too ashamed to admit it.

And I saw that even on CNN/NBC the numbers drop on Obama when you get to separate issues, leadership, jobs, etc.

I agree with you that the Republicans misplayed this one. But this little stink is going to be forgotten long before the fall election.

I only hope they learned enough not to dig another sh!tpit for themselves over the next 10 months.


47 posted on 12/22/2011 4:48:07 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: GreyFriar
my question is: “why didn’t the senate Republicans demand a 1 year extension, as the House passed.” to my thinking, that would have put Reid and Obimie on the defensive in wanting to vote against a 1 year extension.

Good question. But basically, this is another set-up by the RATS to hurt the people and blame the PUBS for it.

48 posted on 12/22/2011 6:14:28 PM PST by zot
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To: jimbo123

That isn’t winds shifting towards nobama...It is the American people farting in his general direction (my apologies to Monty Python). Merry Christmas!


49 posted on 12/22/2011 6:54:34 PM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: jimbo123

Gergen supported Obama in 2008 and called McCain a racist for even his minor soft attacks


50 posted on 12/22/2011 7:02:44 PM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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