Skip to comments.Is it rational to believe in God?
Posted on 12/22/2011 4:54:48 PM PST by WilliamIII
The world's most famous physicist Prof. Stephen Hawking has declared that God does not exist.
Hawking joins the opinion of several other world-class scientists like Richard Dawkins, Peter Atkins, James Watson, Victor Stenger and many others who deny the existence of God in the name of the latest advancements in physics, biology and other scientific domains. The so-called "New Atheism" (championed by Richard Dawkins) sees God as a delusion, a by product of the mind of superstitious and scientifically uneducated people. "Because there is a law like gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing ... Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists and why we are here". This is the conclusion of The Grand Design, Hawking's latest book.
...Hawking states that a "law of gravity" exists and this (not God) creates the universe. Hawking surely also believes that gravity itself exists (since a law of gravity without "gravity" to describe would be meaningless). Now, if we say that X creates Y, we must presuppose the existence of X in the first place to bring Y into existence. Likewise, we must presuppose the existence of gravity to bring the universe into existence.
But Einstein's theory of relativity shows that this is illogical because it is like saying that gravity existed "before time" which is absurd. Did gravity spontaneously generate itself then?
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There is no other path to rationality, evolution having been overwhelmingly debunked over the past few decades.
***Is it rational to believe in God?***
Let’s ask God.
The better question is, “Is it rational not to believe in God?”
Somebody had to create “spontaneous creation” AND gravity. Who?!
Is it rational not to?
Who created God?
It’s turtles all the way down.
Better question is whether it is rational to believe in causeless effects.
Does it make any sense that a bunch of matter from a big bang, swirled together into a primordial goo and sprouted life?
Where the heck did the matter come from?
I think a better question would be, is their more than one with each having their own universe.
No, not unless you see that just about everything in nature has intelligent design. Then it's rational to believe in God.
What's most difficult is not necessarily believing in the existence of a Creator, but in His plan of reconciliation with man by the grace of one, Jesus Christ. His free gift of forgiveness and reconciliation with a perfect God is very hard indeed to rationalize, because it doesn't compute in man's mind that requires justification for wrongs. I kind of think that's the stumbling block with people.
Merry Christmas Hawking. Enjoy your mental masturbation, alone...
One day you will get to ask Him.
Don't look at me, I didn't!
Read and listen--really listen--to what Yeshuah said.
Take some time to take everything he said to heart. If you don't walk away believing in the power and the truth of his statements...you will be quite different from most humans.
Yeshuah tells us the Truth...it is self evident. A world based on things not told by Yeshuah is not a world that has any appeal...it is not a world that works (there is no justice...no right or wrong).
Is faith required? Yes. Is faith a gamble? Yes.
Is faith in God and Yeshuah the Hinge...that thing on which the universe hangs.
Dig into it and see for yourself.
And be rational and empirical about it. Go at it like your eternity depends on it.
Whoaa! you just blew my mind!
Psalm 53 KJV
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
I have a Nephew who has two PHDs, one in Cosmology and the other in Physics. He is a grad of the University of Chicago.
I recall at a family gathering, he was discussing famous scientists such as Teller, Einstein and Hawking. He said among physicists Hawking is considered just another smart guy. If he had not overcome such a terrible handicap, he would not be known just on his ideas.
yes. it is irrational to believe in man-made gorebul warming. given a belief in God is a belief in faith without scientific proof, environmentalism is a religion. or, if you believe in man-made gorebul warming you believe in the tooth fairy (because santa claus is real)
WHAT God does God believe in?
LOL! I don't believe in atheists, either!
It is as irrational to dismiss an unprovable belief as it is to embrace it.
And it does too.
I’m Stephen Hawking, and I do not believe that God exi...
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Who, or what created that gravity? The "law" of gravity? The universe with the power to create itself from nothing?
If there is nothing there is no universe. How then can a universe create itself from nothing?
Either way you look at it, faith is required.
Either you have faith in God or you have faith that the magnificence of the universe and the wonder of life are the result of cosmic accident, with worlds whirling and ricocheting around the universe like steel balls in a Newtonian pinball machine run amok.
That is a really smart set of people there. Maybe when they are frying in Hell, with Sadam, Osama, Khadafi, Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Pelosi, Harry Reid, et al, they can prove that Hell really doesn’t exist.
The question itself is irrational.
Rationality is a subset of mind within some individuals. In fact only a small minority of individuals are rational as a state of mind. A larger group are intermittently rational. But by far the greatest number are not.
There is a likelihood that the human species chose rationality as the specific center of our species’ mind for survival reasons. This is because when a person’s mind is near rationality, it is better disposed than with the easy distractions found in other states of mind.
That is, if you are being chased by a tiger, you do not want to become distracted by being overly focused on something unimportant; nor do you want to have an unfocused state of mind. You want to have a mindset of getting away from that tiger ASAP.
But, as a side effect of this rational state of mind, people tend to become self-centered, even to the point of thinking that they mentally define and can control reality, and in that way are like little gods.
Which as you might suspect comes into strong conflict with any mention of a supreme deity being in charge.
This conflict was known even to the ancient Hebrews. And they noted that the one thing someone could do that was pretty much guaranteed to get God’s attention, and not in a good way, was for a man to have godlike pretensions.
When someone like Nimrod, the Al Gore of the ancient world, tried to build the tower of Babel all the way to heaven, God put him in his place. But modern philosophers have recognized in Nimrod a kindred spirit.
The arrogance of rationality.
To me it's not a difficult choice. Steven Hawking has his super brain power and I have my Savior. I wouldn't trade with him for all the world's gold.
Just because you can see pretty colors on an MRI of a brain when the subject thinks of Schroedinger's cat doesn't mean you have a clue about what is going on in that brain, especially at the quantum mechanical level.
In quantum mechanics, consciousness and physical events are intimately intertwined.
I think this leaves plenty of room for a conscious entity far beyond our comprehension to bring the universe into existence by thinking about it.
When Stephen can find a self assembled pocket watch somewhere int he universe that did not have a builder, then we might not snicker at poor lost Stephen. It is the height of arrogance to proclaim that which he has zero chance of proving or disproving while still in his flesh, when all the known evidence points to there being a builder of it all rather than the absence of a builder for so much that is, that exists.
A better question is: is it rational to behave as a Christian?
Of course not. Turning the other cheek, following all ten commandments out of hunger for spirituality and revulsion of sin puts you deep in Darwin’s crosshairs.
But I wouldn’t, couldn’t have it any other way.
Maybe you’ll find out when you get there...just make sure you get there.
In the simple calculations of men, a lifetime of "good behavior" is the secret, but the Savior taught us that a moment of decision and faith outweighed all that. No human would ever have reached that conclusion. Therefore we know that the wisdom of the Lord is not the ways of men, unlike the rationale of all other "religions."
I have always felt that God was probably a mathematically or scientifically provable fact. It is just that God is so complex that we don’t have the ability to do so.
Golf clap, Dr. Hawking.
Tell me, is it rational to love or feel anything or anyone?
Prove to us that you feel a feeling or love someone.
If it were rational, there would be no such thing as faith. And if there were no faith, there would be no trust. And if there was no trust, there would be only fear.
And yet Scripture tells us that nature makes God evident to anyone who pays attention.
However, if science was left to explain the universe, there would be no love because love cannot be tangibly studied or weighed. Science cannot describe, measure or quantify love so it would have to declare that it didn’t actually exist either.
For the law was given by Moses, (everybody gets it, but nobody can do it) but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (few get it, but it's free to everybody). John 1:17.
Sounds like G_d to me.
Some of us are content in not knowing how everything was created. We don't have to cling to some made up story to get through the day.
Not when you have had a revalation...