Skip to comments.BREAKING: Perry disqualified from Va. primary ballot
Posted on 12/23/2011 3:44:52 PM PST by TBBT
Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry failed to submit enough valid signatures to qualify for the Virginia primary ballot, state GOP officials said Friday evening.
Perrys campaign told state election officials it had submitted 11,911 signatures, but a Virginia Republican familiar with the situation said that the Texas governor did not submit the required 10,000.
Earlier Friday, the Republican Party of Virginia certified former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) to appear in the March ballot.
Four candidates Romney, Perry, Paul and former House speaker Newt Gingrich turned in thousands of signatures by the deadline. State party officials are spending the day certifying the signataries.
They have not examined Gingrichs signatures yet, but expected to do so by late Friday night.
Candidates had until 5 p.m. to collect 10,000 signatures from across the state, including 400 from each congressional district.
Republican presidential candidates Michele Bachmann, Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum did not submit signatures, according to state GOP officials
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Damn! and lost out on a what I thought was a sweet deal on a gun today too!
“But those 11,050 are going to be matched against the the registered voter rolls and many are likely to be thrown out.”
Well, it was unlikely VA was going to be a bastion of Perry voters anyway.
I still say this all smells fishy.
Time to bring in lawyers, guns, and money....
Which, in Loving County, Texas, would amount to a grand total of...3.
I don’t know. I was easily able to collect 15 signatures for each candidate I tried in 2008. If 100 people did that, we’d cover a district.
No candidate took me up on the offer this time, or told me how to sign their petitions. It’s like they didn’t care.
On the other hand, I read a blog that says professionals turn down petition contracts in Virginia because it’s too hard. I don’t see why.
If I find out the missing signatures were from my district, I’ll be pissed. I could have taken petitions for each of these candidates and sat at the election polling place for an hour and collected 100 signatures for each. In a day we’d ahve collected 400. But the only candidate collecting at the polls was Herman Cain.
How about this for a headline?
"Bachmann, Huntsman and Santorum don't have a friggin clue and disqualify themselves from the Virginia ballot"
Each signature/address on the petitions is cross-checked against the rolls of State voters. RPV doesn’t have to show the signatures are ‘bunk,’ only that they are NOT on the VA voter rolls.
It appears about 1900-2000 (or more) who signed for Perry aren’t registered VA voters, not necessarily 4K. If Perry’s people presented petitions with that many non-VA registered voters, what challenge would there be?
I would imagine the Perry people at RPV will be given an opportunity to check the disqualified signatures by checking themselves vs. those roles. RPV was not going to go out of its way to keep him off the primary ballot.
Even as a Gingrich person, I hope there’s been an error and Perry ends up on the ballot. Right now, tho, it’s not looking that way, but, again, I’ll wait to hear from RPV and not the WaPo.
For what it is worth department:
The state party spent Friday verifying that the submitted petitions met the requirements to appear on the ballot. The Virginia GOP said on their Twitter feed Friday that Romney and Paul had both submitted enough signatures to appear on the ballot.
This leaves Gingrich as the one GOP candidate whose position on the Virginia ballot is still in question.
Virginia requires candidates to submit petitions with 10,000 signatures from registered Virginia voters. Additionally, 400 signatures must come from voters in each of the commonwealth’s eleven congressional districts.
Each candidate submitted a package of signatures. My guess is they just chose one candidate and went through his, and then went to the next candidate.
I’ve heard nothing except about Perry, so I don’t know if they simply aren’t telling us about candidates who qualified, or Perry was the first one they did.
Oh! so this is all new BS?
BTW, in case someone cares, I couldn’t collect my own signature, or those of my family. Someone else would have to witness my signature. Each petition has a witness who testifies that they saw all the signatures put on the paper.
What i wanted was for campaigns to have me meet one of their petition gatherers, sign a petition, and pick one up to circulate. None did. Well, Romney contacted me, and I ignored him.
There isn’t any conspiracy that can prevent someone from getting 15,000 signatures to get on the ballot free and clear. Only a lack of money, a lack of volunteers, a lack of organization or a lack of will.
If Perry has money to run ads in Iowa, he should have had money to get on the ballot in Virginia.
Newt may have been done in by his lack of money and organization.
Seems like a version of the poll tax for the elite, doesn’t it?
It’s certainly a back door way to help front runners.
It just seems so odd that 3 didnt try, 1 apparently has 16% or more invalid, and another just barely got over 10k, with his to be counted.
If this happened in Iowa, there might be a case that the candidates are banding together to prevent a few states from creating all the momentum and essentially selecting the nominee before larger and more conservative states get to choose. But Va isnt one of the first four.
no. Although I suppose that if there is an anomaly, they might have a way to correct it, the signatures were due when they were due.
Earlier Friday, the Republican Party of Virginia certified former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) to appear on the March ballot.
If its 1 or 200 signatures I expect closer scrutiny of verification.
I would challenge for proof.
I presume they still “count” the signatures, by verifying that each page is filled in, or looking at the number on the last signature, and adding them up.
They simply don’t go back and get the names and addresses and check them against address lists and voter registrations.
I didn’t think you needed to be registered though, just old enough to vote.
Then in theory they could just check one district before disqualifying. If Perry or Newt just came up with 399 or less in one of the districts, they could stop counting and toss him out.
Funny how it never mentions Perry.
Do you think 400 people in Sheila Jackson Lee's district have ever heard of Rick Perry much less would sign a petition for him?
Sampling shouldn't work on a petition...what if they got the wrong sample?
We recently had a recall petition on city councilmen...it ended up in FEDERAL Court and there were more than required signatures. It took longer to validate 350 signatures than the thousands in VA took...I don't know how many worked on it.
Mitt Romney, on the other hand, is set up and ready to go in all 50 states. Romney may not be the most popular of the Republican candidates, but he does have the ground team and money to stick around until the end of the GOP primary season, potentially stealing the nomination away from a more popular, but disorganized candidate like Newt Gingrich.
Sometime the ten thousand is easy. It’s the distribution, 400 in each district, that is more difficult.
As an Illinois native, I’d happen to agree. Obozo and his gangsters will pull every dirty trick in the book. Friends, no matter who the republican nominee is, prepare for a long, dirty, ugly campaign 2012.
“But those 11,050 are going to be matched against the the registered voter rolls and many are likely to be thrown out.”
Unfortunately, I think Newt might miss the mark as well. I dunno if any news of him being on the ballot as well.
Not really. In VA, ya gotta have at least 400 from each of the state's 11 congressional districts.
Just being short in one district is enough to cancel the effort.
VA has one of the strictest requirements.
From the link the article in #162 that you say doesn’t mention Perry. I didn’t post the entire article only the portion about registred voters that was being discussed.
(CNN) - Texas Gov. Rick Perry will not appear on the Virginia primary ballot after submitting a petition that didn’t meet the commonwealth’s requirements, the Virginia Republican Party announced Friday.
In an announcement on their Twitter feed, the Virginia GOP wrote, “After verification, RPV has determined that Rick Perry did not submit the required 10k signatures and has not qualified for the VA primary.”
Perry was one of four candidates who submitted ballot petitions Thursday to the Virginia State Board of Elections. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich also submitted petitions.
Newt did get on the Ohio ballot along with Perry and Romney. The others did not, but the deadline was already being extended to March so they have more time.
You are correct that Newt's lack of money and failure to have a good ground game could be his undoing. He almost missed getting on the ballot in Ohio. Newt has never run for statewide office let alone national office. I suspect that he never expected to be the frontrunner. Being good in debates doesn't translate into being able to assemble the team to run a first class campaign.
You do realize that the entire reason one hires a campaign staff, complete with a legal army that's responsible to know, understand, and comply with each state's election laws is to get on each state's ballot, correct?
It's one thing for Perry to think about ONE state's ballot access laws in Texas, he has 49 others now to deal with. That's the point of hiring a legal and campaign staff skilled in managing those ballot access issues successfully.
The fact that his campaign staff hasn't managed getting on the Virginia ballot well at all should be sending a signal to Perry that he needs to shake up his campaign staff (fire those responsible or this fiasco) and fix his campaign in a hurry if he wants to be taken seriously. The level of flat out incompetence displayed by whoever's managing Perry's campaign is simply stunning to me.
Yes, quite possible. We will know soon.
I hope the Virginia voters can figure out how to spell “Newt.”
As I understood the procedure, any candidate submitting 15K+ signatures wouldn’t have his/her petitions examined under the presumption that that many would not be invalid. This guy says 14K.
The two who submitted >15K have both already run for POTUS, so are more familiar with the rules and procedures, That doesn’t explain away the on-the-ground folks working on this for Perry who seem to have failed him. And for all we know the same situation abides with Gingrich.
Get over your ‘legal challenge’ ... it ain’t gonna happen. The RPV makes the rules for candidates choosing to run on its primary ballot. Those rules are fairly straightforward: 10K signatures, with a minimum of 400 from each Congressional District. They will have given Perry and Gingrich every opportunity to qualify.
You and the Perry (and possibly Gingrich) people can hope that there is an error in the rolls, and that’s about the only thing left to challenge.
In the meanwhile, VA voters are stuck if the only ones who qualify are Romney and Paul. Major write-in drives will ensure.
We do most of our voting electronically.
Newt also missed the ballot in Missouri.
The article says Perry’s team submitted 11,911 signatures. To be under 10K, it’s more than 200 that are disqualified. A minimum of 1,912.
RPV threw a MAJOR luncheon for Perry not long ago. Hard to imagine they couldn’t have gotten 10K legitimate signatures out of the luncheon alone. It had huge attendance, and if each paying guest signed up another person that should have made it. I have NO idea what went wrong here.
Romney has been running for 5 years. He would be mega pathetic if he hadn’t managed to get organized. LOL.
Nobody collected signatures at the luncheon. And no candidate except Cain sent petitions to be signed to the precincts on our election day.
We had a GENERAL ELECTION in November, during collection season. We had hundreds of thousands of republicans show up to vote.
If you just had a table at the precincts with the petitions on it, you’d have easily gotten your signatures. You wouldn’t even have to worry that the signatures weren’t in the right districts, because a precinct would be in a district.
That was one of the big worries. You need a petition for each congressional district. The congressional districts changed this year. YOu might get some signatures that are valid, but in the WRONG congressional district. They are thrown out — you don’t get to count them for the right district.
Now however, if that was the only problem, I would expect a challenge could be mounted. But I’m guessing that’s not the problem.
Were the standards for Rick Perry higher than the standards set for other candidates?
BUT OBAMA IS OKAY???!
What an outrage!
and I am no Perry fan btw
“...A GOP activist who witnessed the count said that it became very clear that the Perry campaign, which reported to the Virginia Board of elections that it had gathered 11,911 signatures, did not come anywhere near that number. This source said Perrys campaign may have submitted somewhere between 4-6 thousand qualified signatures.
Perrys State Chair, former Attorney General Jerry Kilgore confirmed that his candidate did not make the ballot.