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BREAKING: Perry disqualified from Va. primary ballot
washingtonpost.com ^ | 12/23/2011 | Anita Kumar

Posted on 12/23/2011 3:44:52 PM PST by TBBT

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry failed to submit enough valid signatures to qualify for the Virginia primary ballot, state GOP officials said Friday evening.

Perry’s campaign told state election officials it had submitted 11,911 signatures, but a Virginia Republican familiar with the situation said that the Texas governor did not submit the required 10,000.

Earlier Friday, the Republican Party of Virginia certified former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) to appear in the March ballot.

Four candidates — Romney, Perry, Paul and former House speaker Newt Gingrich — turned in thousands of signatures by the deadline. State party officials are spending the day certifying the signataries.

They have not examined Gingrich’s signatures yet, but expected to do so by late Friday night.

Candidates had until 5 p.m. to collect 10,000 signatures from across the state, including 400 from each congressional district.

Republican presidential candidates Michele Bachmann, Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum did not submit signatures, according to state GOP officials

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To: txhurl

Damn! and lost out on a what I thought was a sweet deal on a gun today too!


151 posted on 12/23/2011 5:25:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JediJones
Even the guy trying to get on the ballot to run for Dog Catcher of Loving County, Texas knows that you need to get 50% more signatures than are required.
152 posted on 12/23/2011 5:25:39 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/gingrich-still-may-not-make-va-ballot-108580.html

“But those 11,050 are going to be matched against the the registered voter rolls and many are likely to be thrown out.”


153 posted on 12/23/2011 5:27:30 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: trumandogz

Well, it was unlikely VA was going to be a bastion of Perry voters anyway.

I still say this all smells fishy.


154 posted on 12/23/2011 5:27:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JediJones
Even the guy trying to get on the ballot to run for Dog Catcher of Loving County, Texas knows that you need to get 50% more signatures than are required.
155 posted on 12/23/2011 5:28:11 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: JediJones
Virginia campaign lawyer Chris Ashby notes, those candidates “who submit 14,999 or fewer, however, will undergo signature-by-signature scrutiny of his or her petitions — something no statewide candidate in recent memory ever has had to endure.”

Time to bring in lawyers, guns, and money....

156 posted on 12/23/2011 5:30:33 PM PST by CainConservative
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To: kabar

50%


157 posted on 12/23/2011 5:31:36 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: trumandogz
Even the guy trying to get on the ballot to run for Dog Catcher of Loving County, Texas knows that you need to get 50% more signatures than are required.

Which, in Loving County, Texas, would amount to a grand total of...3.

158 posted on 12/23/2011 5:32:13 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Raider Sam

I don’t know. I was easily able to collect 15 signatures for each candidate I tried in 2008. If 100 people did that, we’d cover a district.

No candidate took me up on the offer this time, or told me how to sign their petitions. It’s like they didn’t care.

On the other hand, I read a blog that says professionals turn down petition contracts in Virginia because it’s too hard. I don’t see why.

If I find out the missing signatures were from my district, I’ll be pissed. I could have taken petitions for each of these candidates and sat at the election polling place for an hour and collected 100 signatures for each. In a day we’d ahve collected 400. But the only candidate collecting at the polls was Herman Cain.


159 posted on 12/23/2011 5:32:20 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TBBT
Republican presidential candidates Michele Bachmann, Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum did not submit signatures, according to state GOP officials

How about this for a headline?

"Bachmann, Huntsman and Santorum don't have a friggin clue and disqualify themselves from the Virginia ballot"

160 posted on 12/23/2011 5:32:26 PM PST by plain talk
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To: mylife

Each signature/address on the petitions is cross-checked against the rolls of State voters. RPV doesn’t have to show the signatures are ‘bunk,’ only that they are NOT on the VA voter rolls.

It appears about 1900-2000 (or more) who signed for Perry aren’t registered VA voters, not necessarily 4K. If Perry’s people presented petitions with that many non-VA registered voters, what challenge would there be?

I would imagine the Perry people at RPV will be given an opportunity to check the disqualified signatures by checking themselves vs. those roles. RPV was not going to go out of its way to keep him off the primary ballot.

Even as a Gingrich person, I hope there’s been an error and Perry ends up on the ballot. Right now, tho, it’s not looking that way, but, again, I’ll wait to hear from RPV and not the WaPo.


161 posted on 12/23/2011 5:33:30 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: CharlesWayneCT

For what it is worth department:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/23/perry-ballot-petition-rejected-in-virginia/

The state party spent Friday verifying that the submitted petitions met the requirements to appear on the ballot. The Virginia GOP said on their Twitter feed Friday that Romney and Paul had both submitted enough signatures to appear on the ballot.

This leaves Gingrich as the one GOP candidate whose position on the Virginia ballot is still in question.

Virginia requires candidates to submit petitions with 10,000 signatures from registered Virginia voters. Additionally, 400 signatures must come from voters in each of the commonwealth’s eleven congressional districts.

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162 posted on 12/23/2011 5:33:56 PM PST by deport
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To: mylife

Each candidate submitted a package of signatures. My guess is they just chose one candidate and went through his, and then went to the next candidate.

I’ve heard nothing except about Perry, so I don’t know if they simply aren’t telling us about candidates who qualified, or Perry was the first one they did.


163 posted on 12/23/2011 5:34:07 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CainConservative
Virginia campaign lawyer Chris Ashby notes, those candidates “who submit 14,999 or fewer, however, will undergo signature-by-signature scrutiny of his or her petitions — something no statewide candidate in recent memory ever has had to endure.”

Oh! so this is all new BS?

Legal challenge!

164 posted on 12/23/2011 5:34:32 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

BTW, in case someone cares, I couldn’t collect my own signature, or those of my family. Someone else would have to witness my signature. Each petition has a witness who testifies that they saw all the signatures put on the paper.

What i wanted was for campaigns to have me meet one of their petition gatherers, sign a petition, and pick one up to circulate. None did. Well, Romney contacted me, and I ignored him.


165 posted on 12/23/2011 5:35:57 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: okie01

LoL!


166 posted on 12/23/2011 5:36:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: trumandogz

There isn’t any conspiracy that can prevent someone from getting 15,000 signatures to get on the ballot free and clear. Only a lack of money, a lack of volunteers, a lack of organization or a lack of will.

If Perry has money to run ads in Iowa, he should have had money to get on the ballot in Virginia.

Newt may have been done in by his lack of money and organization.


167 posted on 12/23/2011 5:36:27 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Seems like a version of the poll tax for the elite, doesn’t it?


168 posted on 12/23/2011 5:36:34 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: mylife

It’s certainly a back door way to help front runners.


169 posted on 12/23/2011 5:37:03 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

It just seems so odd that 3 didnt try, 1 apparently has 16% or more invalid, and another just barely got over 10k, with his to be counted.

If this happened in Iowa, there might be a case that the candidates are banding together to prevent a few states from creating all the momentum and essentially selecting the nominee before larger and more conservative states get to choose. But Va isnt one of the first four.


170 posted on 12/23/2011 5:37:41 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

no. Although I suppose that if there is an anomaly, they might have a way to correct it, the signatures were due when they were due.


171 posted on 12/23/2011 5:39:06 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Earlier Friday, the Republican Party of Virginia certified former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) to appear on the March ballot.


172 posted on 12/23/2011 5:39:08 PM PST by kabar
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To: EDINVA

If its 1 or 200 signatures I expect closer scrutiny of verification.

I would challenge for proof.


173 posted on 12/23/2011 5:39:28 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JediJones

I presume they still “count” the signatures, by verifying that each page is filled in, or looking at the number on the last signature, and adding them up.

They simply don’t go back and get the names and addresses and check them against address lists and voter registrations.

I didn’t think you needed to be registered though, just old enough to vote.


174 posted on 12/23/2011 5:40:47 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: deport

Then in theory they could just check one district before disqualifying. If Perry or Newt just came up with 399 or less in one of the districts, they could stop counting and toss him out.


175 posted on 12/23/2011 5:41:01 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: deport

Funny how it never mentions Perry.


176 posted on 12/23/2011 5:41:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: trumandogz
400 signatures had to come from each congressional district. I read somewhere that it might have been hard for any of them to get that many in some of the heavy Dem districts.

Do you think 400 people in Sheila Jackson Lee's district have ever heard of Rick Perry much less would sign a petition for him?

Sampling shouldn't work on a petition...what if they got the wrong sample?

We recently had a recall petition on city councilmen...it ended up in FEDERAL Court and there were more than required signatures. It took longer to validate 350 signatures than the thousands in VA took...I don't know how many worked on it.

177 posted on 12/23/2011 5:41:17 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Newt Gingrich’s lack of organization may be his undoing. Although he was the first Republican to declare his presidential candidacy and is well ahead in all the polls, the former Speaker of the House is far behind when it comes to getting people organized on the state level. In fact Gingrich’s organizational problems are so bad that he may not qualify to be on the Ohio ballot.

Mitt Romney, on the other hand, is set up and ready to go in all 50 states. Romney may not be the most popular of the Republican candidates, but he does have the ground team and money to stick around until the end of the GOP primary season, potentially stealing the nomination away from a more popular, but disorganized candidate like Newt Gingrich.

178 posted on 12/23/2011 5:41:58 PM PST by kabar
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To: TitansAFC

Sometime the ten thousand is easy. It’s the distribution, 400 in each district, that is more difficult.


179 posted on 12/23/2011 5:42:32 PM PST by hoosiermama (We need more Jobs.....Steve Jobs....entrepreneurs and creators.)
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To: indylindy

As an Illinois native, I’d happen to agree. Obozo and his gangsters will pull every dirty trick in the book. Friends, no matter who the republican nominee is, prepare for a long, dirty, ugly campaign 2012.


180 posted on 12/23/2011 5:43:01 PM PST by Bear1454
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To: CharlesWayneCT

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/gingrich-still-may-not-make-va-ballot-108580.html

“But those 11,050 are going to be matched against the the registered voter rolls and many are likely to be thrown out.”


181 posted on 12/23/2011 5:43:09 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: TitansAFC
Shrug. Virginia allows all signatures to count if they are 15K +, but if less than that they go line by line to see if they are actually from registered Virginia voters.

Unfortunately, I think Newt might miss the mark as well. I dunno if any news of him being on the ballot as well.

182 posted on 12/23/2011 5:43:29 PM PST by Theoria
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To: mylife
'I fail to see how they can be done with Perrys UNLESS they can show that like 4K signatures are bunk.'

Not really. In VA, ya gotta have at least 400 from each of the state's 11 congressional districts.

Just being short in one district is enough to cancel the effort.

VA has one of the strictest requirements.

183 posted on 12/23/2011 5:44:08 PM PST by Theoria
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To: jeltz25
“what’s the big deal? VA is just one state out of 50. It’s not like the noination will be decided there. It doesnt even have that many delegates” Right no big deal . The dog ate the signatures. Pathetic armatures..
184 posted on 12/23/2011 5:44:33 PM PST by fantom (,)
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To: mylife

From the link the article in #162 that you say doesn’t mention Perry. I didn’t post the entire article only the portion about registred voters that was being discussed.

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(CNN) - Texas Gov. Rick Perry will not appear on the Virginia primary ballot after submitting a petition that didn’t meet the commonwealth’s requirements, the Virginia Republican Party announced Friday.

In an announcement on their Twitter feed, the Virginia GOP wrote, “After verification, RPV has determined that Rick Perry did not submit the required 10k signatures and has not qualified for the VA primary.”

Perry was one of four candidates who submitted ballot petitions Thursday to the Virginia State Board of Elections. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich also submitted petitions.

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185 posted on 12/23/2011 5:46:17 PM PST by deport
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To: kabar

Newt did get on the Ohio ballot along with Perry and Romney. The others did not, but the deadline was already being extended to March so they have more time.


186 posted on 12/23/2011 5:47:13 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: JediJones
Candidates had until 5 p.m. to collect 10,000 signatures from across the state, including 400 from each of the 11 congressional district.

You are correct that Newt's lack of money and failure to have a good ground game could be his undoing. He almost missed getting on the ballot in Ohio. Newt has never run for statewide office let alone national office. I suspect that he never expected to be the frontrunner. Being good in debates doesn't translate into being able to assemble the team to run a first class campaign.

187 posted on 12/23/2011 5:47:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: mylife
I am to believe that suddenly he got sloppy?

You do realize that the entire reason one hires a campaign staff, complete with a legal army that's responsible to know, understand, and comply with each state's election laws is to get on each state's ballot, correct?

It's one thing for Perry to think about ONE state's ballot access laws in Texas, he has 49 others now to deal with. That's the point of hiring a legal and campaign staff skilled in managing those ballot access issues successfully.

The fact that his campaign staff hasn't managed getting on the Virginia ballot well at all should be sending a signal to Perry that he needs to shake up his campaign staff (fire those responsible or this fiasco) and fix his campaign in a hurry if he wants to be taken seriously. The level of flat out incompetence displayed by whoever's managing Perry's campaign is simply stunning to me.

188 posted on 12/23/2011 5:49:11 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: kabar

Yes, quite possible. We will know soon.


189 posted on 12/23/2011 5:49:41 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: kabar

I hope the Virginia voters can figure out how to spell “Newt.”


190 posted on 12/23/2011 5:49:56 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: mylife

As I understood the procedure, any candidate submitting 15K+ signatures wouldn’t have his/her petitions examined under the presumption that that many would not be invalid. This guy says 14K.

The two who submitted >15K have both already run for POTUS, so are more familiar with the rules and procedures, That doesn’t explain away the on-the-ground folks working on this for Perry who seem to have failed him. And for all we know the same situation abides with Gingrich.

Get over your ‘legal challenge’ ... it ain’t gonna happen. The RPV makes the rules for candidates choosing to run on its primary ballot. Those rules are fairly straightforward: 10K signatures, with a minimum of 400 from each Congressional District. They will have given Perry and Gingrich every opportunity to qualify.

You and the Perry (and possibly Gingrich) people can hope that there is an error in the rolls, and that’s about the only thing left to challenge.

In the meanwhile, VA voters are stuck if the only ones who qualify are Romney and Paul. Major write-in drives will ensure.


191 posted on 12/23/2011 5:50:22 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: JediJones

We do most of our voting electronically.


192 posted on 12/23/2011 5:51:20 PM PST by kabar
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To: JediJones

Newt also missed the ballot in Missouri.


193 posted on 12/23/2011 5:54:31 PM PST by kabar
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To: mylife

The article says Perry’s team submitted 11,911 signatures. To be under 10K, it’s more than 200 that are disqualified. A minimum of 1,912.

RPV threw a MAJOR luncheon for Perry not long ago. Hard to imagine they couldn’t have gotten 10K legitimate signatures out of the luncheon alone. It had huge attendance, and if each paying guest signed up another person that should have made it. I have NO idea what went wrong here.


194 posted on 12/23/2011 5:55:17 PM PST by EDINVA
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http://twitter.com/VA_GOP
http://www.rpv.org/ (down now)


195 posted on 12/23/2011 5:55:33 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' House Speaker in 2012 now!)
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To: kabar

Romney has been running for 5 years. He would be mega pathetic if he hadn’t managed to get organized. LOL.


196 posted on 12/23/2011 5:57:48 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: EDINVA

Nobody collected signatures at the luncheon. And no candidate except Cain sent petitions to be signed to the precincts on our election day.

We had a GENERAL ELECTION in November, during collection season. We had hundreds of thousands of republicans show up to vote.

If you just had a table at the precincts with the petitions on it, you’d have easily gotten your signatures. You wouldn’t even have to worry that the signatures weren’t in the right districts, because a precinct would be in a district.

That was one of the big worries. You need a petition for each congressional district. The congressional districts changed this year. YOu might get some signatures that are valid, but in the WRONG congressional district. They are thrown out — you don’t get to count them for the right district.

Now however, if that was the only problem, I would expect a challenge could be mounted. But I’m guessing that’s not the problem.


197 posted on 12/23/2011 6:00:30 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: lonestar

Were the standards for Rick Perry higher than the standards set for other candidates?


198 posted on 12/23/2011 6:01:45 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: TBBT

BUT OBAMA IS OKAY???!

What an outrage!

and I am no Perry fan btw


199 posted on 12/23/2011 6:01:55 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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http://nbc12.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/perry-falls-far-short-of-making-virginia-primary-ballot/
“...A GOP activist who witnessed the count said that it became very clear that the Perry campaign, which reported to the Virginia Board of elections that it had gathered 11,911 signatures, did not come anywhere near that number. This source said Perry’s campaign may have submitted somewhere between 4-6 thousand qualified signatures.

Perry’s State Chair, former Attorney General Jerry Kilgore confirmed that his candidate did not make the ballot.


200 posted on 12/23/2011 6:05:32 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' House Speaker in 2012 now!)
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