Skip to comments.One hundred thousand people wanted to fb "Like" Newt Gingrich onto the Virginia ballot
Posted on 12/24/2011 7:49:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson
I just started a new facebook page as a place for grassroots conservatives to urge Virginia to allow the leading Republican contender for the presidency onto the Virginia ballot. Gingrich is the Republican leader nationwide and in Virginia! It's absolutely ludicrous, if not criminal, for Virginia to deny the conservative base and tea party favorite a spot on the ballot while they promote their elite ruling class RINO!
Do not allow Virginia to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of conservative grassroots voters who would mark their ballots for Newt Gingrich! Adding insult to injury, they don't even allow write-ins on their ballots!
It truly is a one man election (disregarding the Ron Paul nutcake). You can vote for anyone you wish in Virginia as long as his name is Mitt Romney.
We need to write or call the Republican Party of Virginia to register our outrage and if you are a facebook user, please visit and "Like" the "Newt Gingrich on Virginia Ballot" page.
Thank you all very much, and Merry Christmas!!
Anyway, for those who care, here is part of the e-mail the RPV sent out tuesday regarding the count:
Virginia's 10,000 signature threshold is one of the highest in the nation because we take seriously the task of choosing our nominees. Not only do Presidential candidates have to hit that threshold, so do any candidate for statewide office (U.S. Senate, Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General).
To be successful in Virginia, candidates need to be able to build a strong grassroots organization and have support in all regions of the Commonwealth. The 10,000 statewide and 400 by congressional district signature requirements ensures that candidates build organizations that can be effective.
Cain actually had petitions out at the general election, so I’m betting he would have had his 15,000 signatures. He was the only candidate whose petitions I saw in this cycle.
And why would you think that? DO you know who McDonnell supports this time? Do you know who he endorsed in 2008? Do you know anything about him? Do you know who runs the RPV, and what influence the governor has? Do you know anything at all about Virginia politics?
Some of us got the “monday” e-mail on late tuesday afternoon, and it offered a location to sign that was closing in 2 hours and was TOWARD DC, so that you’d end up in commuter traffic to get back home. On the week before Christmas.
But at least he wrote — Perry’s campaign never said a word about it, so I assumed he had an organization collecting signatures, and didn’t need help. I did write and remind him about it, and said I’d sign if they told me where.
Something is wrong with a system that is designed to make it hard for legitimate candidates — even a Republican frontrunner and resident of that state, to get on a state’s ballot. 5 out of 7 candidates for the Republican nomination for president did not qualify. These are not people who have no business cluttering the ballot. These are governors, and current and former members of Congress. In other words, only the candidates with huge war chests are allowed. That’s what it boils down to. It’s designed, whether intentional or not, to disenfranchise Virginia voters. It needs to be changed. If we just sit back and say “oh well” we’re going to get what we deserve, Obama or Romney. Raise hell. Make Virginia do the right thing. Make it happen.
Look, it’s clear from your posts that you:
a) dislike Newt; and
b) are shilling for the powers-that-be in VA.
All of which is fine. But the bottom line is that there’s somethins seriously wrong with a system that only puts 2 of 7 legitimate candidates on the ballot. The threshold for gettin on a PRIMARY ballot should be pretty low.
Contrary to sentiments expressed by some who are conflating the two, this is an entirely different situation than qualifying to VOTE. Apples and oranges. I doubt there’s any danger a candidate will be elected twice. Or a non-citizen or felon will be elected.
We should fight election FRAUD...but if Buddy Freaking Roemer wants to run in the GOP primary and can get a few people to sign petitions to put him on the ballot, he should be on the ballot.
This has Romney stink all over it.
There’s something clearly wrong with a candidate set who can’t meet the rules for ballot access. Is it the fault of the rules? Well, Romney and Ron Paul both followed the rules and made it on the ballot, so apparently it IS possible.
I haven’t picked a candidate yet. When Perry failed last night, I was ready to support Gingrich as the only close-to-conservative left. But he didn’t make it either.
I am going to defend the RPV to the extent that attacks on it are rediculous. I’m not an RPV member, I’m not even a republican committee member, having dropped out in the fall of 2008. But I have personally met all three statewide leaders, and they are all honorable men who I cannot imagine would subvert the ballot process for a candidate.
And there’s no way the RPV is trying to throw things to Romney. I would note that McDonnell is close friends with Perry, and Perry came here in September to raise money for the RPV. I was half-expecting McDonnell to endorse Perry, but wasn’t sure since Perry faltered in the polls. McDonnell is a solid conservative, a bright star, and endorsed Fred Thompson in 2008.
I’ve eaten dinner with Bill Bolling. He is a solid conservative, a likeable man, does his job well, and is an honorable christian who wouldn’t play games for his candidate, even if he could which he can’t because he doesn’t have much control over the state apparatus anyway.
And Ken Cuccinelli needs no support from me, although I’ve spoken with him before and I do support him. We all know his credentials — and to think he would let the RPV get away with anything is absurd.
So if anything wrong DID happen, I fully expect McDonnell and Cuccinelli will step in and make it right, if they can. And they will have more sway than some Facebook postings or rantings from commenters on their web site.
Sorry, but one can hardly be a "solid conservative" and a "good man" while endorsing Romney. Of all the conservative candidates, the guy endorses Romney? Unbelievable.
Sorry, but one can hardly be a "solid conservative" and a "good man" while endorsing Romney. Of all the conservative candidates, the guy endorses Romney? Unbelievable.
Whoever in Virginia came up with this hurdle to get on a ballot may have had good intentions, but it’s a heavily flawed system that needs to be changed. If 5 out of 7 candidates failed to qualify, that’s evidence enough that it’s not workable. Does the RPV want Obama to be re-elected? Does the RPV not want its residents to have a clear choice in its Republican primary? Does the RPV only want the candidates with the most funds to prevail? Because that’s the way its system is designed.
I’ve heard it all before. Jim Demint. Throw him under the bus. Newt Gingrich. He endorsed DeDe. Santorum endorsed the traiter Specter. Good people make mistakes. There are a lot of people who aren’t as absolutist as you might like them to be.
For whatever reason, Bolling believes Romney is our best chance to beat Obama and save this country. I disagree, but it doesn’t change his conservative record.
Jim, if it seems I’ve been to harsh, I apologize. But like Ed, I’m a bit upset at the shots being taken at our state officials because in the end candidates didn’t get their names on the ballot.
I hope there is something that can be done. And while I’m not a newt supporter, and I’m not committed yet, I was certainly dissapointed when Bachmann and Santorunm didn’t turn in signatures, and was upset when Perry got bumped, and was ready to support Newt here until he got bumped.
But even though I don’t like it, I don’t like the unfounded attacks on what used to be my party, and on elected officials that everybody knows are good conservatives. This is the state with Ken Cuccinelli. We are not perfect, but we are not a hotbead of RINOs playing games for Romney.
With that, I’m calling it a weekend. It’s Christmas, and I’ve got family things to do. This will still be here monday.....
Rules are rules. They should have had enough of a buffer to overcome any issues. Usually candidates try to 200% of what is needed. Again, this highlights the campaign organizational issues of Newt, Perry, and Bachman. If you can’t manage your campaign organization in the primaries, you will get slaughtered in the general election. Obama’s organizational machine will be impressive.
I think the republican playmakers align with Romney pretty early in 2012.
Sorry, whatever they’re doing in VA is just plain stupid. What are these “rules” trying to accomplish? Keep the unknown riff raff off the ballot? These candidates are hardly unknown and they’re all fully vetted qualified Republicans. Perry is sitting governor of Texas, Bachmann a sitting Congressperson, Santorum a prior Senator and Congressman, Gingrich prior Congressman and Speaker of the House. This is inexcusable! And it’s way bigger than Virginia. It affects ALL of us. I don’t know how they’re going to resolve this, but they need to get these candidates on the ballot if they want to be on it.
Something is grossly wrong with a system that keeps four out of six fully qualified candidates (governors, senators, congressmen) off a primary ballot. These so-called rules suck!
Done, JimRob...and I’ve passed along the info to all my FB contacts.
Have a very Merry Christmas!
From what I’m told here at FR the ruling is in line with Virginia law. However, the bothersome thing for me now is the time frame without any allowance for for a ‘make correction’ situation/condition where it can be established that a candidate would have a viable chance for success.The sporting world recognized such situations/conditions years ago by adopting the review procedures. I realize that one can argue that an incident in a sport game the review is about a possible miss sight whereas in the Virginia case the number of proper votes might be a certainty. However, in the case of politics it is well established that the time factor is and has often been used as a means to corrupt valid alternative. I am particularly bothered by this time ‘gating’ when I hear the courts ruling that Obama’s eligibility cannot be challenged after some action of Congress or Obama’s taking the oath. Such exclusive conditions do not give best, better or even valid social environments.
George Allen held a fundraiser on December 13 in Northern Virginia. In attendance was Gov. Bob McDonnell. The fee to attend was $150. The attendance was underwhelming.
And a guy collecting signatures for Gingrich was there and he was not kicked out, he was not harrassed in anyway.
Any suggestion that McDonnell is pulling strings to get Gingrich off the ballot is total BS.
Done and done.
Um yes. I’ve lived in VA for over 32 years.
Bolling might be a good man, but Agenda 21, highway funding for light rail, high speed rail, toll roads, and subsidised crony development are hardly conservative. McDonnell has also been a huge developer of all of the above. Dont let Bolling take all the fall for this. We all want Cucconelli in the govetnors mansion, but MvDonnell isnt the plush conservative people think he is.
If Newt had submitted more than 15,000 signatures, real or fake, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO VERIFICATION. He would be on the ballot. That's apparently how Romney and Paul got in, or maybe those stories about having been grandfathered in because they were on the ballot in 2008 are true (not sure on that one).
Maybe you can ask your buddy Cuccinelli exactly why more than 2000 signatures on Newt's petitions were rejected, and who were the "volunteers" who did the verification.
The RPV grandees owe us that much, at the very least.
Purposley removing voters choices, a rat move from the rat book
This action by the VRP is just another item on the long list that confirms what many here already know. There are many good and sound reasons why the Republican Party is also known somewhat less affectionately as the Stupid Party.
Merry Christmas morning!
I'm not crying in my beer for either one of them. They new the rules and they didn't get the required signatures.
Unless it can be shown there is chicanery, it should remain the way it it.
I don't like the results any better than the next person but rules are rules.
Those conveniently crafted new rules, along with re-redistricting, etc., etc. will get us another 4 years of Obamanation.
That makes more sense than demanding that Newt only be placed on the ballot. But what right does a group of people from other states have to tell RPV how to run their primary?
I’m even more convinced today that it was in inside job in the Gingrich campaign.
I understand there were a lot of sigs turned in without addresses. Those had to be reviewed by somebody in the campaign organization before, way before, sending the pages in to the VRP.
So, somebody (or several somebodies) should have pulled them way before last week. This would have been a trusted somebody, if you know what I mean.
Let the rule makers be held accountable next time.
It looks like these rules will come back to haunt RPV but they cannot pick and choose at this point, who will be on the ballot.
Perhaps it just demonstrates the critical need to prevent errors (whether intentional or otherwise).
I’ve read that the reason the candidates were denied was because addresses were not included or they were not updated with the electronic database. (Remember: “garbage in, garbage out”)
If this is the case, and the voters themselves are legit, there should be a mechanism to include those signers.
Absolutely, if these are legitimate signatures, the error must be fixed.
I’ve come to this discussion late but it really ticks me off to see what’s happening, especially given how the GOP has seemed so intent on doing everything possible to clear the way for Romney.
My understanding is that Virginia primary was moved up earlier time around, thereby allowing candidates less time to fulfill the requirements. If that is true then they should have scaled down the requirements. By not doing so it gives the appearance of Virginia being set up as a firewall designed to protect the establishment candidate by effectively cutting off all those who caught fire late in the game (such as Newt), candidates who throughout much of their run didn’t have the funds (unlike Romney) to fully canvass the state.
Intentionally or not, it smacks of yet another stab in the back to all who dare to challenge the preordained pick. At the very least they should allow the option to write-in a candidate as a means of fixing this fiasco.
>>Purposley removing voters choices, a rat move from the rat book
I’d argue that changing the rules after the fact, to accommodate someone who didn’t follow (or bother to understand) the rules, is an equally bad practice.
It will haunt the RPV as I am canceling my donation to them and I will not stump for Romney or Paul even if it means Obuggery gets reelected.
If you ask me, a lot of conservatives are doing a great job trashing candidates to the point where we are giving ourselves a Romney only ticket.
"Whoever in Virginia came up with this hurdle to get on a ballot may have had good intentions, but its a heavily flawed system that needs to be changed. If 5 out of 7 candidates failed to qualify, thats evidence enough that its not workable. Does the RPV want Obama to be re-elected? Does the RPV not want its residents to have a clear choice in its Republican primary? Does the RPV only want the candidates with the most funds to prevail? Because thats the way its system is designed."
One thing I would change though. The intentions were not good :
Larry Sabato Dec. 24th 2011
VA’s D legislature thought the rules up, knowing they would benefit themselves & friends. Then Rs, once in power, liked restrictions too.
If they Global Syndicates can’t get us to vote for their handpicked candidates, then they will only let us have a choice of their hand picked candidates. Isn’t that the way it was in the Soviet Union with the Communist Party? And we thought the US won the Cold War.
It sure looks that way. And it’s absolutely ludicrous that the Virginia GOP has rejected the LEADING Republican candidate — leading nationally AND in the state of VIRGINIA!!
And the LEADING Republican they reject is a genuine Reaganite and veteran of the Reagan Revolution and LEADER of the Republican Revolution as opposed to their accepted and promoted RINO candidate who openly denied and rejected Ronald Reagan and effectively governed exactly opposite the official Republican party platform!!
“I was an independent during Reagan-Bush, I’m not returning to Reagan-Bush” —Mitt Romney
Romney championed abortion, gay rights, gun control, liberal activist judges and government approved socialized healthcare, complete with mandates against individuals and penalties for non-compliance, and his idiotic budget-busting program even provides tax payer funded abortion!! And he still brags about this program today as a conservative solution!! Give me a break!!
And these idiots promote him to run against Obama?!! And reject all other conservatives?!!
This is not your father’s GOP!!
But it is the thought that Virginia has refused a major candidate based on irregularities in their own system.
Then why did McDonnell endorse Romney, as well as the Lt. Governor being a major campaign manager for Romney.
It still reeks. I don’t care how you cover for them. They look extremely bad and this needs to be fixed immediately, or it will damage the outcome of the main election.
Amen. Reeks of corruption and inside dealing!!
Liked 139! :-)
Also posted to my FB wall, Jim.
You have my full support Boss! Anything I can do to help.
Only 139” likes” so far.
UP to 141 now. It’s Christmas holiday, but it does appear that my first attempt at activism on facebook is a flub.
They are getting a lot of complaints posted to their wall page though: