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Harsh Political Reality Slows Climate Studies Despite Extreme Year (running out of loot)
NY Times ^ | 12/24/11 | JUSTIN GILLIS

Posted on 12/25/2011 5:10:59 PM PST by Libloather

Harsh Political Reality Slows Climate Studies Despite Extreme Year
By JUSTIN GILLIS
Published: December 24, 2011

At the end of one of the most bizarre weather years in American history, climate research stands at a crossroads.

Scientists say they could, in theory, do a much better job of answering the question “Did global warming have anything to do with it?” after extreme weather events like the drought in Texas and the floods in New England.

But for many reasons, efforts to put out prompt reports on the causes of extreme weather are essentially languishing. Chief among the difficulties that scientists face: the political environment for new climate-science initiatives has turned hostile, and with the federal budget crisis, money is tight.

And so, as the weather becomes more erratic by the year, the public is left to wonder what is going on.

When 2010 ended, it seemed as if people had lived through a startling year of weather extremes. But in the United States, if not elsewhere, 2011 has surpassed that.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climategate; climategate2; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hoax; scientists
The hoax won't disappear just yet.
1 posted on 12/25/2011 5:11:06 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
I'm old enough to remember drought in New England and floods in Texas, as well as drought in Texas and floods in New England, and floods in California, and drought in California, and ice and snow all over the place ~ we once had over a foot of solid ice in our front yard due to something like 21 Alberta Clippers cruising through in winter time conditions. And then, over the last two years we've had 4 feet of snow in this neighborhood TWICE, but not at all this year.

For all the AGW enthusiasts out there these are signs of WEATHER!!

It happens.

2 posted on 12/25/2011 5:16:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Libloather
Or "“Did global warming cooling have anything to do with it?”"
3 posted on 12/25/2011 5:20:48 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Libloather

Taxpayers are becoming more reluctant to waste money on hoaxes!


4 posted on 12/25/2011 5:29:38 PM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Libloather
MORE Tornadoes from Global Warming? That’s a Joke, Right?

More tornadoes due to “global warming”, if such a thing happened, would be more tornadoes in Canada, where they don’t usually occur. NOT in Alabama.

5 posted on 12/25/2011 5:31:17 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Libloather
I see that the NYT not allowing comments on this piece of journalistic fecal material, because it would be ripped several new orifices to leak from if they did.

Wildfires and flooding are not related to climate changes, yet that is what most of what passes for 'substance' of this article.

It has been a great disappointment to global warming fanatics that the hurricane seasons have been so inactive since 2005. That global warming would cause increased hurricane activity has been the essential touchstone of AGW alarmism.

The Leftist 'Old Grey Lady' of journalism is now the official 'crazy aunt in the attic' of public discourse.

6 posted on 12/25/2011 5:31:56 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

If you can understand the Global Warming causes Planetary Cooling concept, you gotta be a Democrat.


7 posted on 12/25/2011 5:31:58 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Libloather
And so, as the weather becomes more erratic by the year, the public liberals are left to wonder what is going on..

The rest of us have already figured out that droughts, floods and such are simply happening as they do every year somewhere in the world and it's probably just as accurate to consult a Ouija board as it is a "climate scientist" as to why that is.

8 posted on 12/25/2011 5:41:47 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Libloather

The New York Times again knowingly promoting a hoax.


9 posted on 12/25/2011 5:44:19 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Libloather

I’d think that vast ice sheets rolling down Broadway 18,000 years ago would be pretty significant.

We should ask these scientsts how to combat the next iceage?


10 posted on 12/25/2011 5:45:11 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: Post Toasties

Reporters still love to play this game. When weather seems extreme, they will claim it’s due to global warming but when weather becomes the opposite, they’ll claim weather events are not a predictor of climate change. They’ll say this without even blinking their eyes while their pupils spin counter-clockwise.


11 posted on 12/25/2011 5:46:36 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: DJ Taylor
Lets face it. Many Republicans, Independents, Democrats, no party, etc., had for years been sucked into the AGW/GW phenomena without having a clue as to what represented good science verse contrived for a political/economic purpose.

With the breaking of the secrets two years back, at least now, no one has an excuse once given adequate information so readily available to continue thinking the BS has any merit.
12 posted on 12/25/2011 5:50:14 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: OrangeHoof
When weather seems extreme, they will claim it’s due to global warming but when weather becomes the opposite, they’ll claim weather events are not a predictor of climate change.

And when the extremes are opposing, droughts verses floods, they still claim Global Warming. That is physically impossible. If the weather is moving to one single extreme (aka Global Warming) you would either get more flooding or more droughts. But you cannot get both. More flooding causes less droughts. More droughts causes less flooding. Simple logic no longer applies when the cronies rule.

13 posted on 12/25/2011 5:57:07 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Libloather
But in the United States, if not elsewhere, 2011 has surpassed that.

Absolutely incorrect. The greatest measure of heat in the water and atmosphere is the strength of Hurricanes (barring annual affects from atmospheric wind patterns). We are now approaching the modern record for length of time without a strong Hurricane making landfall within the continental US. So global warming weather extremes cannot be occurring for the past 5 years. In fact, setting the strong Hurricane US no landfall record, requires Global Cooling (ie - lack of energy). Not warming.

14 posted on 12/25/2011 6:01:54 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Libloather

Don’t know and don’t care. The warm winter so far has saved me a bundle on heating costs.

Bring on that global warming.


15 posted on 12/25/2011 6:07:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Libloather
So far it's been a pretty pleasant winter in Minneapolis. That's a good thing, though, after a particularly brutal winter last year and several years of winters of the discomfort persuasion.

If this year were to stay like this and even warm up a bit, it would compare favorably with 1980-81 (right after my son was born. That year we went for walks at parks in the neighborhood, in January, and I needed no jacket. We had my newborn in a stroller with just a simple sweatshirt for warmth.

That was my kind of winter!

The bad part is, these things tend to average out over the long run.

16 posted on 12/25/2011 6:23:36 PM PST by stevem
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To: Libloather

Where have all those billions of dollars gone? An investigationis warrented.


17 posted on 12/25/2011 6:36:44 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Libloather

We all owe Andy Watts a lot of respect. He took a lot of threats and hate to stand up for the truth and expose the algore lies. All the media shut out his views but he and others got through to the pulbic anyway.

I feel sorry for young people who majored in climate change enviornmental nonsense when there was a lot of money because a lot of people were fooled - including them. I laugh at limo-pinko global warming’s “investors!”

It irks me that Obama used this fake fear science to shake down the Treasury for kickbacks to his campaign funding pals in the name of alternative energy.


18 posted on 12/25/2011 7:01:35 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Libloather; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping to Ernest for further pinging!!!


19 posted on 12/25/2011 9:06:55 PM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: Libloather

What a headline! Is the NYTimes imitating The Onion now?


20 posted on 12/25/2011 10:49:16 PM PST by Havisham
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To: Marine_Uncle
Lets face it. Many Republicans, Independents, Democrats, no party, etc., had for years been sucked into the AGW/GW phenomena without having a clue as to what represented good science verse contrived for a political/economic purpose.

The really disgusting thing is all the Pubbies who signed on over the last twenty years rather than take the time to study the issue and find the cojones to take a strong stand against it.

No, no, it's always "split the difference", "half-a-loaf", "meet 'em halfway" politics as usual. Always trying to mollify the liberals by tossing them bones.

Never forget, it was GWB who signed off on the lightbulb ban. And just about every GOP frontrunner has been recorded making obeisance to climate change at some point.

21 posted on 12/26/2011 12:14:43 AM PST by sinanju
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To: Libloather; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

22 posted on 12/26/2011 4:46:56 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Libloather

Last I read the Federales are blowing 2 billion a year on climate studies..... In my book the scientists they fund are known quantities and will come up with pro-global warming results 99% of the time. This is known in advance (wink wink) before they get the loot. Otherwise they do not get it


23 posted on 12/26/2011 5:06:11 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: sinanju

I agree with your sentiments.


24 posted on 12/26/2011 11:51:35 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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25 posted on 12/26/2011 9:08:44 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Libloather; SunkenCiv; tubebender; Diana in Wisconsin; Red_Devil 232
December strawberries and pansies, grown outdoors, in South Dakota!

How unusual is the year? Quite warm, and rather dry, here in sunny South Dakota: a brown Christmas, and temps running in the mid to high 40s (though we have had hard freezes with days that didn't get above freezing this Fall) at least through this coming Friday.

OTOH, as unusual as this year has been, it wasn't as warm as winter appears to have been 90 years ago, as evidenced by the highlighted portion of the History column in last week's local newspaper.

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26 posted on 12/26/2011 11:47:45 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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To: Libloather

“When 2010 ended, it seemed as if people had lived through a startling year of weather extremes. But in the United States, if not elsewhere, 2011 has surpassed that.”

so, 2011 was more extreme than 2010, ..... so this means out of 1 of 2 years, 2011 was more extreme .... waste of a sentence .... saying something to express nothing.

Down right dishonest, reminds me of a street corner con artist.


27 posted on 12/27/2011 2:04:27 AM PST by dila813
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To: SierraWasp; Libloather; TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; ...
Hey thanks,...I'm a little late to the party .

I'll add these links to a couple of good threads,( My opinion of course)

Running from Climate Change: The Obama Administration’s Changing Rhetoric

Congressman Rohrabacher’s speech on climate issues

28 posted on 12/27/2011 12:32:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: sinanju
See second link at post # 28 ...for a congressman that gets it.

My Representative also.

29 posted on 12/27/2011 12:39:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: ApplegateRanch; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Libloather

Post #26: Perhaps someone could shove the article from the Hot Springs Star in front of the faces of some of these clowns. It is nice to see this scam slowly becoming known for what it really is.


30 posted on 12/27/2011 1:31:20 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Libloather; Ernest_at_the_Beach
At the end of one of the most bizarre weather years in American history, climate research stands at a crossroads.

I can't even see a true correlation between the temperature of the Equatorial Counter-Current and rainfall amounts. Here we are in the midst of a "La Nina" year, and it's the driest December I have ever seen. I don't know how anybody can even pretend to claim an inference from the weather in any particular year.

31 posted on 12/27/2011 1:35:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

It never seems to leave the 40’s around here (southern WI), but later this week we’re finally in for some teens weather.

No snow. Just a dusting so far. I’ve gotten an amazing amount of work done on my farm this fall which would’ve otherwise had to wait until spring. We’re still cutting trees! Trees that we couldn’t have gotten to had it snowed even a little so far!

Selling Christmas Trees at work this season was a breeze! We had NO snow to contend with and customers came out in droves and bought more decor than normal, as it was EASY to decorate our homes for a change without the snow and the warmer weather.

I dunno. I don’t mind having more Opossums in the yard due to Global Warming...though I know this season is just a fluke and we will pay for it DEARLY between now and spring.

Look for news stories about us having ‘The Worst Winter In History’ before it’s all said and done. *Rolleyes*

*SMIRK*


32 posted on 12/27/2011 7:25:32 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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