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Paul's surge may prompt a new look from GOP voters
AP via SFGate ^ | 12/27/11 | Paul J. Weber, ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 12/27/2011 11:34:33 PM PST by SmithL

The closer the first votes of the 2012 presidential campaign get, the more competitive longtime congressman Ron Paul appears to become.

It's a moment his famously fervent supporters have longed for. Plenty of others are asking: What's Ron Paul about, again?

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: election2012; moonbat; paul; truther
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Sure, I gave Paul another look.

Yep, he's still a moonbat truther who hates Israel.

1 posted on 12/27/2011 11:34:40 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
The Obama-Romney-Paul® Team must be defeated.
2 posted on 12/27/2011 11:39:45 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: SmithL

Ron Paul is our McGovern or Kucinich, without the gravitas.


3 posted on 12/27/2011 11:41:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: SmithL

In their dreams.


4 posted on 12/27/2011 11:45:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: SmithL

Yes, SmithL, as a rock group once sang, “There’s A Moonbat Out Tonight”. Wasn’t a big hit, and I hope that Ron Paul isn’t either.

The danger with Paul is that he is not only anti-Israel, our one reliable friend in the Middle East (Obama got rid of Egypt and is trying to get rid of Israel, so they have something in common), it is that he is so much of an isolationist the he would allow our enemies to encircle us with hostile nations and bases to the point that we would not be able to carry on waterborne trade, nor even to keep enough of the sealanes opens to survive as a country.

If you look at the re-rise of marxist regimes in Latin America, after their having suffered serious defeats in the 1980’s and early 1990’s (Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, Chile, Argentina), now aided by Ecuardor, an emasculated Costa Rica, Mexico, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, etc. then you will understand what I mean, and that applies just to our hemisphere.

The rest of the world is in even worse shape thanks to Obama’s cowardice and stupidity. All Ron Paul wants to do is to leave the field to our enemies who are growing bolder every day (Iran, Syria - no Spring there, boychek, Russia, Red China, North Korea, the Moslem Brotherhood and Al Qaeda all over Africa, and Red Chinese infiltration from Venezuela to Madagascar/Seychelles, and the US).

We need a leader who firstly, recognizes that there are these challenges, secondly knows who the enemy is, and thirdly, does something decisive about them.

Ron Paul is one of the “No-Nothing” offspring of American history, and would lead America down the road to destruction, with Obama cheering him on.


5 posted on 12/27/2011 11:50:34 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SmithL

Ron Paul is the last free marketer left on the field. The rest are socialists


6 posted on 12/27/2011 11:58:26 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

Shouldn’t you be outside spraying vinegar up in the air to break up the chemtrails?


7 posted on 12/28/2011 12:02:38 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: SaxxonWoods

So, that’s how you do it! And here I was thinking that I was laboring under a “systemic avoidance of reality!”


8 posted on 12/28/2011 12:09:57 AM PST by old school
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To: SmithL

Paul’s standing up to AIPAC would likely win Republicans the American Jewish vote for the first time in memory.


9 posted on 12/28/2011 12:11:42 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: 4rcane
When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks also into you.
10 posted on 12/28/2011 12:17:11 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: 4rcane

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Ron-Paul-s-Earmarks

I’ll let you review Ron Paul’s record on earmarks and then you can get back to me on his philosophy on the free market.


11 posted on 12/28/2011 12:23:22 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SmithL

No.


12 posted on 12/28/2011 12:26:07 AM PST by Cindy
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To: SmithL
Paul's surge may prompt a new look from GOP voters

Not likely.

13 posted on 12/28/2011 12:33:31 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I already had my look. One look was enough for me.


14 posted on 12/28/2011 12:38:00 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: SmithL

Its an anomaly. Paul falls flat in S. Carolina.


15 posted on 12/28/2011 12:38:30 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

Exactly right.

If Paul were to get the nomination, it would end the Republican Party.

He’d get about 5% of the vote, and a third party candidate would get 45 to 55%, depending on who it was.

I won’t vote for Paul. The Paul-tards can take that straight to the Fed and bank it.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 12:38:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: Vendome

I think you’re right. At least you are unless the media full court press was able to sway an awful lot of people. The media would love very little more than doing that.


17 posted on 12/28/2011 12:39:53 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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SmithL


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18 posted on 12/28/2011 12:47:35 AM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: SmithL

Pretty much


19 posted on 12/28/2011 1:09:21 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Jonty30

Ron Paul have a pretty good explanation about it. Earmark is better than allowing the Fed administration to decide where the money go


20 posted on 12/28/2011 1:18:27 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

A real conservative fights the feds to do federal things only. He doesn’t do deals, than vote against them knowing that they will go through anyway.


21 posted on 12/28/2011 1:43:31 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: 4rcane
He's from Texas, where they like hard nose conservatives.

If he was from Massachusetts, he'd have to be a bit soft to survive, but there's no excuse when you're from Texas.

22 posted on 12/28/2011 1:52:47 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

But he does fight against it. He earmark the funding then vote against the spending bill for it. Its not his fault that the other gop vote for the spending bill thus allowing them through. So in the end, money going towards projects proposed by elected senators/congresseman go is better than allowing the unelected federal administrators to decide


23 posted on 12/28/2011 2:35:13 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: SmithL

He’s Jeremiah Wright without the tan.

Apparently, GOP voters can’t get enough of a truther, a bigot and a moonbat.

Its sad.


24 posted on 12/28/2011 2:40:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 4rcane

I’m savvy enough to know that conservative politicians cannot vote conservative all the time. There are times when am earmark will do more good, in the long run, than for it not to be done.

I’m sure that some of Ron Paul’s earmarks actually went to good causes. But you cannot be, consistently, one of the Kings of Earmarks for a long time and still claim to be against them.

Ron Paul is simply playing his supporters like a cheap violin.


25 posted on 12/28/2011 2:47:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SmithL

Ron Paul is the guy at the end of the bar who babbles incessantly even after everyone has gone home and the lights are out.

If Republicans are actually supporting Paul in such high numbers in Iowa, it further shows the irrelevance of that state. If Republicans are actually supporting Paul in such high numbers nationwide, then the GOP has ceased to be a serious political party.

Ron Paul is never going to be elected President. Ever. Bank on it.


26 posted on 12/28/2011 2:52:21 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: 4rcane

Ron Paul has some insightful economic views. But the world is a scary place and that is half the equation that Ron Paul misses. No one who is sane will vote for Ron Paul as a matter of self preservation. And I say that as someone who realizes retrenchment from foreign entanglements is necessary.

Eventually the Soma will wear off and Paulists will realize they’ve been had but not until too late.


27 posted on 12/28/2011 2:57:24 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: SmithL
If the tin foil hat nut case has any support it is from the RATS since Iowa has open primaries.

The idiot will NEVER be our president. NEVER

28 posted on 12/28/2011 3:08:23 AM PST by DeaconRed (Red Neck - Blue Collars - Paycheck - Few Dollars, , , , , , ,)
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To: SmithL

Ron Paul is the ‘Jerry Brown’ of the GOP!


29 posted on 12/28/2011 3:27:31 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: ScottinVA

**If Republicans are actually supporting Paul in such high numbers nationwide, then the GOP has ceased to be a serious political party.**

If WronG Paul wins Iowa, the next Iowa Caucus should be held in September... AFTER the Convention!!


30 posted on 12/28/2011 3:30:21 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (What good is an (R) after the Name, when there is a (D) IN the BRAIN???)
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"Ron Paul is the ‘Jerry Brown’ of the GOP!"

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31 posted on 12/28/2011 3:32:46 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: SmithL

Most rational people like Paul less every time they take a new look at him.


32 posted on 12/28/2011 3:51:43 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: SmithL
Yeah, I gave that certifiable, nut job another look; even used a whole tube of some special, "Conservative" lipstick, but in the end, he still looks like a...

an1

33 posted on 12/28/2011 4:02:15 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: SaxxonWoods

ROFL

RP is a whacknut.They WISH we would consider him as a serious candidate. The Dems only want him for fodder in their MSM- destroy-conservatives-cannon.


34 posted on 12/28/2011 4:27:46 AM PST by madison10
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To: SmithL

Wishful thinking from America’s enemies.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 5:08:14 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SmithL
I am giving Perry, Bachmann and Santorum a new look... and I will vote for any of the three... paul, newt or romney... NEVAH!

LLS

36 posted on 12/28/2011 5:09:06 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!)
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To: SmithL
Some information on Ron Paul and Israel

Any time I have been able to track down the entire newletter or quote referenced in a Ron Paul smear, I have discovered a dissembling partial truth.

Like him or not Paul, brings to the campaign serious questions that warrant discussion, questions about big government, how US taxpayer money is spent, foreign policy, the role of the Fed...

While my research thus far leads me to believe that Ron Paul is naive regarding the most basic motivation of Jihadis, consider the following:

GW kept reminding us that 'Islam is a religion of 'peace'. Never mentioned that Islam is a total political system and peace is achieved when there is a world wide caliphate under Sharia.

Ultimately Paul's foreign policy would be better for both Israel and Christianity.

While Israel would get no foreign aid, neither would its enemies:
2011 Interview

Newsmax: What should our relationship be with Israel?
Ron Paul:
We should be their friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy.
... Stop and consider America’s policy: We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.
... We should share intelligence for mutually agreed-upon goals. We should honor our pledge to refuse any arms sales that would undermine Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region.

As a result of 'nation building', promoting 'democracy' in the middle east, and PC immigration policy:

Iraq's Christians Near Extinction

Per Pamela Geller "US policy regarding the refugee resettlement program would shock most Americans if they only knew. The UN picks who becomes US refugees. Christians are being refused refugee status and face persecution and many times certain death for their religious beliefs under the sharia, while whole Muslim communities are entering the US by the tens of thousands per month despite the fact that they face no religious persecution"

Paul would stop funding the UN and pull us out of all treaties that impinge upon our sovereignty. His proposed budget would shut down entire federal bureaucracies while preserving military pensions. Could shutting down the tax payer funded trough be what has the political elite so p*ssed and the source of the smear campaign?
37 posted on 12/28/2011 5:44:40 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: 4rcane
Ron Paul is the last free marketer left on the field. The rest are socialists

You astute devil you. ;-)
38 posted on 12/28/2011 5:46:38 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: SmithL

There’s no daylight between a black liberation theologist and Ron Paul’s world view. READ.


39 posted on 12/28/2011 5:49:19 AM PST by maddogtiger
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To: 4rcane
Ron Paul have a pretty good explanation about it. Earmark is better than allowing the Fed administration to decide where the money go

Then why does he say he is against them? Another example of the surrender monkey saying one thing and doing something else.
40 posted on 12/28/2011 5:57:00 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: 4rcane
You forgot to mention that he votes for other democrats bills in order to get the support for his earmarked bills.
Don't feel bad, he doesn't mention it either. That would take honesty, something Paul has little, if any of.
41 posted on 12/28/2011 6:02:31 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem with Ron Paul is you never know which day he will show up or which day the cuckoo bird will show up.


42 posted on 12/28/2011 6:38:18 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"nomination"

I don't think this crackpot has a chance either, but a Paul acceptance speech, or any speech he gave, at the convention would make for some very interesting tv. I think it might be the first time a speaker at a convention would get booed. Or at best, most conventioneers would sit on their hands. But you're right, Paul getting the nomination would be the end of the Republican Party. I won't vote for him.

43 posted on 12/28/2011 7:26:53 AM PST by driftless2
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To: meadsjn

Paul as Repub candidate would give Obama a sweep of all states in November.


44 posted on 12/28/2011 7:28:58 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SmithL

Yeah, Paul is a hopeless moonbat with no hope of winning the Big Enchilada.

But people are desperate for somebody — ANYBODY — who holds strong views on the Constitution and a limited role for the central government. We want a hero, not another paper-shuffler! The Tea Party is eerily quiet, just when we need them to HOWL!

Besides, the media is actively picking off real conservatives and leaving us with second-stringers, again. (Remember John McCain?) Ron Paul is enough of a nut job to fit their requirement for a hopeless candidate that will insure a second round of Obummer socialism.

Any chance Mrs. Cain will let Herman come back out to play?


45 posted on 12/28/2011 8:32:54 AM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I posed a question on a different board yesterday, wondering what so many youth saw in Ron Paul, considering he’s quite strongly pro-life and not for any form of racial or social preferences. The answer I received from a liberal friend was they stopped at the “legalization of all drugs” part.


46 posted on 12/28/2011 9:07:21 AM PST by BuckyKat (Green = the new red)
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“I posed a question on a different board yesterday, wondering what so many youth saw in Ron Paul, considering he’s quite strongly pro-life and not for any form of racial or social preferences. The answer I received from a liberal friend was they stopped at the “legalization of all drugs” part.”


You might consider that the youth can get drugs now w/o legalization, like booze in prohibition. But youth also has concern over no jobs with big student debt, fighting and paying for wars of older generations, the future of social security and the prospect of being left a country where they won’t do as well as their parents. It just could be they are pissed.


47 posted on 12/28/2011 9:18:57 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ex-snook

Perhaps if those same youth would apply themselves, only major in subjects that actually do have job potential (instead of ‘ethnic studies’, ‘gender studies,’ or ‘pop culture influence on society’) and started with community colleges or trade schools they’d have a better chance? Our daughter just graduated with a degree in structural engineering and had the job of her dreams in 2 weeks. We paid more for her parochial school education than for her college tuition (though far less than what the State and Barack’s grandma paid at Punahou).

Our son opted for a more difficult option, piano performance, but still is making more than the average college grad teaching lessons, doing accompaniment gigs, and the occasional church assignment while he waits for his applications for grad school to process.


48 posted on 12/28/2011 9:47:51 AM PST by BuckyKat (Green = the new red)
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To: driftless2

Boy, that convention idea is a thought isn’t it. Wow.

I hadn’t considered that moment. It would certainly be a powerful one. I’m wondering if he would even get that far. Talk about your open revolt at a convention.

Good call...


49 posted on 12/28/2011 9:55:14 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: SmithL
I would give the lunatic on the street shouting at people another look also!
But I certainly wouldn't vote for him!
50 posted on 12/28/2011 9:57:44 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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